'No Question' About Plummer's Future in Denver

Jttsaz

#40 Never Forget
Joined
Sep 19, 2002
Posts
3,543
Reaction score
325
Location
Oro Valley
http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=334&storyID=3814

Monday, January 10, 2005
Shanahan: 'No Question' About Plummer's Future in Denver
By Andrew Mason
DenverBroncos.com

ENGLEWOOD, Colo. -- When it comes to quarterback, the Broncos' future sits in Jake Plummer's hands.


BRONCOS TV: BRONCOS FALL DOWN EARLY, TUMBLE OUT OF PLAYOFFS
PRESS CONFERENCE VIDEO: MIKE SHANAHAN SEASON WRAP

"No question about that," Head Coach Mike Shanahan emphatically stated at his season-ending press conference Monday afternoon.

"I'm very happy with Jake," Shanahan said. "Jake played extremely well. He had a stretch in there of four games -- one touchdown, eight interceptions -- that he didn't play well. I'd like to throw those four games out. But I can blame myself probably more than Jake because I think sometimes I put him in situations that I shouldn't have put him in. So I think when I assess someone's year, you can't just go to stretches. You have to say, 'Hey, did he get the job done for you or didn't he?'"

In Shanahan's eyes, Plummer did, particularly in late-game scenarios.

"When the pressure was on him in Jacksonville, what did he do? He took us all the way down the field," Shanahan said. "He missed the handoff (to Quentin Griffin), or maybe I should have kicked the field goal, but he got us in position to win the football game. That's a plus. Not a lot of guys do that.

"Against the Raiders (at home on Nov. 28), what did he do? He made a throw on third-and-10 that not many people make. We didn't get it done, but he still gets us in position to kick a field goal. He handled the pressure extremely well, and that's what quarterbacks are asked to do.

"Against Atlanta, we're down. All of a sudden, he's got a fourth-and-10. He hits another receiver right there, perfect pass," Shanahan continued, referring to a pass that rookie Darius Watts dropped. "We've got three timeouts with three minutes left and we're down by six points. That's what you ask a quarterback to do."

GETTING CLOSE: Denver's season ended in the wild-card round for a second consecutive season and third time in the past five years.

But when Shanahan looks at his team, one that was the only club to boast an offense and defense that ranked in the league's top five in total yardage, he sees a team that sits at a championship level.

"I think we were there this year," Shanahan said. "You don't finish fourth defensively and fifth offensively without being pretty good. For us to lose three defensive linemen, three defensive backs, two starting running backs and still be pretty competitive and have a chance to win 12 or 13 games, I thought we were right in the hunt."

Close, but short of their goal of returning to the Super Bowl, and short of a playoff win that has eluded them since Jan. 31, 1999.

"You go back and you say, 'Why didn't you get it done?' The bottom line is you get it done or you don't," Shanahan said. "But for people to say we're a long way away from playing at that (championship) level, without some of the guys we were counting on, I think they don't know what they're talking about."

That doesn't mean he won't seek to fill in any missing pieces.

"There's always missing pieces. That's the nature of this game," Shanahan said. "There's not a team in the National Football League that doesn't have a missing piece. What you try to do is put as many pieces to the puzzle as you possibly can on your football team, and you're hoping that you can stay fresh, stay healthy and play your best football when it counts.

"It's not always that case. And if it's not that case, you've got to find a way to win and get it done. The way we had a chance to get it done (against the Colts on Sunday) was to play the first half like we did the second half on offense. You play like we played in the first half -- seven possessions, 0-for-6 third downs -- you're in for a long day."


RECOVERY TIME: Every Monday,Shanahan spends the first part of his press conference reciting the litany of injuries the Broncos face in a particular week.

But this time, the injuries will have more time to heal than just a few days.

A pair of Broncos will undergo surgery in the coming days -- safety John Lynch on his left thumb and guard Dan Neil on his left knee.

Lynch is scheduled to start for the AFC All-Stars in the Pro Bowl on Feb. 13, and Shanahan believes that the 12-year veteran will heal in time to play and represent the club alongside cornerback Champ Bailey.

"The doctor believes that he'll be able to play in the Pro Bowl," Shanahan said.

As for Neil, the recuperation will take a while longer.

"It should be about a three-month recovery," Shanahan said. "It should be a full recovery."

Cornerback Jeff Shoate could join Neil and Lynch under the knife; Shanahan said "there's a good chance" he'll undergo knee surgery.

REHABILITATION: The end of the season offered Shanahan an opportunity to provide updates on the status of the various Broncos on injured reserve.

Defensive tackle Luther Elliss and running back Quentin Griffin are among the players who will continue their rehab work at the facility.

"(Elliss' injury is) very similar to Trevor Pryce; he has a low back (injury); a disc that was operated on," Shanahan said. "It should be about six to eight weeks there."

As for Griffin, he continues to work back to full speed after tearing an anterior cruciate ligament at Cincinnati on Oct. 25.

"(Griffin) should be fully recovered by the time we start the offseason conditioning progam in April," Shanahan said ...

... Like Elliss and Griffin, wide receiver Nate Jackson continues his work; he fractured his left ankle at San Diego on Dec. 5. Shanahan expects him back for the commencement of offseason workouts ...

... Tight end Jeb Putzier and wide receiver Ashley Lelie will each have "a couple of weeks" of rehabilitation work as they recover from ankle injuries incurred Sunday at Indianapolis ...

... Cornerbacks Lenny Walls and Willie Middlebrooks each face more rehab work as they recover from shoulder and leg injuries, but both should be fully recovered by offseason workouts ...

... Running back Mike Anderson (groin), defensive tackle Dorsett Davis (finger), wide receiver B.J. Johnson (left ankle), running back Brandon Miree (torn ulnar collateral ligament in his thumb) and cornerback Jeremy LeSueur have all completed their rehabilitation work from the injuries that sidelined them. All went on injured reserve during the preseason.
 

joeshmo

Kangol Hat Aficionado
Joined
Feb 23, 2004
Posts
17,247
Reaction score
1
Jttsaz said:
"I'm very happy with Jake," Shanahan said. "Jake played extremely well. He had a stretch in there of four games -- one touchdown, eight interceptions -- that he didn't play well. I'd like to throw those four games out. But I can blame myself probably more than Jake because I think sometimes I put him in situations that I shouldn't have put him in.

How does Jake do it. He even has coaches making excuses for him now, and saying his bad play was their fault not Jakes. :eek:

Really does Jake have a great private eye with pictures on everyone, or is it great people skills.
 

DieHardCardFan

Dallas 2011
Joined
Oct 8, 2003
Posts
1,973
Reaction score
0
Location
Ahwatukee
joeshmo said:
How does Jake do it. He even has coaches making excuses for him now, and saying his bad play was their fault not Jakes. :eek:

Really does Jake have a great private eye with pictures on everyone, or is it great people skills.


The guy has great influence skills. He does all the right things to make people like him. He will be the worlds best car salesman when he retires!
 

joeshmo

Kangol Hat Aficionado
Joined
Feb 23, 2004
Posts
17,247
Reaction score
1
WizardOfAz said:
I heard Kemp talking about this yesterday and he indicated that, with the roster bonus - Jake's cap number next year would be between $9 - 10 million.

Just means we can outbid them again for one of their players. It worked last year with Berry.

How about OG - Hamilton, DE - Reggie Hayword, or OLB - Donnie Spraggan this year
 

ajcardfan

I see you.
Supporting Member
Joined
May 13, 2002
Posts
38,946
Reaction score
26,394
Shanahan's quote is amazing. Until you realize how thin the free agent market is for QBs. He's just trying to put the best spin on Plummer staying because he has no other option. He made his bed, he has to stay in it.
 

Lex

troublemaker
Joined
Jan 9, 2003
Posts
2,465
Reaction score
0
Location
Scottsdale and one-eleven
They have a 5 page thread on "the orange mane" donkey website, about drafting or picking up a free agent QB to compete with Jake. (johnny come lately's)

Guess who a bunch of them want?

Josh.

Seriously.
 

Russ Smith

The Original Whizzinator
Supporting Member
Joined
May 14, 2002
Posts
88,186
Reaction score
39,790
Lex said:
They have a 5 page thread on "the orange mane" donkey website, about drafting or picking up a free agent QB to compete with Jake. (johnny come lately's)

Guess who a bunch of them want?

Josh.

Seriously.

They have the same threads as us on the freak board. Dump Jake, no keep him. Draft Alex Smith in round 2 he's a steal. What about Brad Johnson.

The thing Shanahan means by putting Jake in bad positions is he took a lot of heat for the pick Jake threw on Sunday because it was a 3WR empty backfield set so the Colts KNEW they were throwing or running a QB keeper on 3rd and 3. Why that excuses jake to overthrow the guy by 10 yards I don't know, but that's what he meant.

Apparently Jake was really good this year with Denver in the I formation (6 TD 1 pick) so it's become popular to accuse Shanahan of scheming Jake into picks by going shotgun or empty backfield so the threat of play action is less effective. I mean you can't expect a QB to throw to the right team from those sets.

I PM'd this story to Lex earlier in the day, they're still debating whether this means Jake gets the bonus, or if Shanahan is announcing this now while they're asking Jake to redo his contract, and by doing it this way they can make it seem as if we love the guy, see he's even redoing his contract to help us out.
 

Stout

Hold onto the ball, Murray!
Joined
Dec 30, 2002
Posts
40,105
Reaction score
24,565
Location
Pittsburgh, PA--Enemy territory!
Lol I love how Shanny references several games where Jake 'almost' brought them back to win as why he's good. Falling short is falling short, Shanny...come on, admit it, now.

Either Shanny gets the boot, or Bronco's fans can say hello to a few more years of fabulous mediocrity.
 

BradMannTX

Puh-shaw
Joined
Jul 12, 2002
Posts
547
Reaction score
5
Location
Montgomery, TX -- Birthplace of the Texas Flag!
Lex said:
They have a 5 page thread on "the orange mane" donkey website, about drafting or picking up a free agent QB to compete with Jake. (johnny come lately's)

Guess who a bunch of them want?

Josh.

Seriously.

Are you freakin' serious???????????????????????????? Oh my GOSH...I mean Josh. Are these people nuts??? I can't stop being in disbelief...JEEZ...tee hee hee :)
 

Jetstream Green

Kool Aid with a touch of vodka
Joined
Feb 5, 2003
Posts
29,506
Reaction score
16,726
Location
San Antonio, Texas
What a lot of people fail to notice

Someone tell Shanny a fact us at Arizona found out the hard way. If Jake played well the whole game, maybe he wouldn't have to make the tough plays to bring the team back. Simple logic!!!
 

RON_IN_OC

https://www.ronevansrealty.com
Joined
Mar 10, 2004
Posts
27,293
Reaction score
35,907
Location
BirdGangThing
DieHardCardFan said:
The guy has great influence skills. He does all the right things to make people like him. He will be the worlds best car salesman when he retires!

I think Elway has that market cornered.
 

Pariah

H.S.
Supporting Member
Joined
Feb 3, 2003
Posts
35,345
Reaction score
18
Location
The Aventine
I think the Broncos should bring Josh in to compete with Jake, too. Seriously, they should; I hate the Broncos.
 

blindseyed

I'm saying you ARE stuck in Wichita
Joined
Mar 20, 2003
Posts
8,073
Reaction score
5,885
Location
Verrado
Isn't Shannahan supposed to be some QB guru? The only QB that won there was Elway and he was established when he got there, since then who have they had and failed...Griese, that other guy, some other guy...etc....Jake is and never will be a consistent QB and he needs to lose that mountain man beard, he has that little kid face, looks like he pasted it on
 

Duckjake

LEGACY MEMBER
LEGACY MEMBER
Joined
Jun 10, 2002
Posts
32,190
Reaction score
317
Location
Texas
blindseyed said:
Isn't Shannahan supposed to be some QB guru? The only QB that won there was Elway and he was established when he got there, since then who have they had and failed...Griese, that other guy, some other guy...etc....Jake is and never will be a consistent QB and he needs to lose that mountain man beard, he has that little kid face, looks like he pasted it on


Denver has only had 3 losing seasons in the last 15 years, have been to the playoffs 3 times (losing in the first rd) in the last 5 years, and were 11-5 in 2000 with Griese.

I wish the Cardinals could not win like that.
 

LittleDavis

Hall of Famer
Joined
Feb 20, 2003
Posts
1,157
Reaction score
343
Location
Champaign-Urbana, Illinois
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=3895
10 and 6 regular season...not bad...better than what we have
It cracks me up about Cards fans. We have been starting rookies and second year guys and expecting them to be pro-bowlers. Not to mention these players(until Green) have had smoke screen coaches. For example, Adrian Wilson just completed his fourth year, and a good one, you could almost say great. Many of you have been ragging on him for his entire brief career, expecting Apollo himself to take the field. C'mon, I am going to come to your job and watch for that moment that your fat a@# gut is hanging out of your shirt and you spill grape jelly from that doughnut on it. At this point, I call for your head...FIRE THAT MOTHER F&*^%$. Just kidding around but we need to really look at what our franchise has done over the last decade. Some fault is on players, some on coaches, and some on upper management. At this point, it appears the smoke is lifting and we are back on course. First real coach we have had since Coryell. GOOOOOOOOOOOOO CARDSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
 

CaptTurbo

ASFN Icon
Joined
May 5, 2003
Posts
16,782
Reaction score
5
Location
Pennsylvania
SECTION 11 said:
Hands off!!


We're set at quarterback, IMO.


Or we could trade them Josh for a six pack of non alchoholic beer. Run behind the 7-11 drinking it up and giggleing about how we ripped them off :D
 

Russ Smith

The Original Whizzinator
Supporting Member
Joined
May 14, 2002
Posts
88,186
Reaction score
39,790
blindseyed said:
Isn't Shannahan supposed to be some QB guru? The only QB that won there was Elway and he was established when he got there, since then who have they had and failed...Griese, that other guy, some other guy...etc....Jake is and never will be a consistent QB and he needs to lose that mountain man beard, he has that little kid face, looks like he pasted it on


To his credit he does get the most out of every QB. Shanahan is the guy Steve Young credits with making him a real QB and not just a RB playing QB. Elway improved dramatically under Shanahan. Brister even had succcess there, so did Frerotte. Griese had a QB rating over 100 1 year as a starter there, and Jake has had easily his 2 best seasons there. I agree his teams always come up short in the end since Elway retired and Davis got hurt, but the guy can coach QB's.


I here Jaworski say that every week the first game film he watches from Sunday for his ESPN work is the Broncos games because he thinks Shanahan is the best coach in the NFL at schemes and formations on offense. The problem is after the scripted 20 plays where they excel as a team and Jake excels as his QB, they tend to really struggle. By then the other team adjusts, they aren't going off script, and if you noticed Jake's play drops off dramatically. That's why if they don't get ahead in the first 20 plays, they're in trouble.
 

FJM

Registered
Joined
May 13, 2002
Posts
181
Reaction score
0
Talk about spin. WOW!!!!!!!

Remember when a bunch of you stated or agreed that Jake would be out of football after two years in Denver.

Hearing talk that he could be in the top five next year. What do you say John??

Now that Denver might want Josh you just watch how many will say no-way.
 

Russ Smith

The Original Whizzinator
Supporting Member
Joined
May 14, 2002
Posts
88,186
Reaction score
39,790
FJM said:
Talk about spin. WOW!!!!!!!

Remember when a bunch of you stated or agreed that Jake would be out of football after two years in Denver.

Hearing talk that he could be in the top five next year. What do you say John??

QUOTE]

nope, Jake has a few years yet before he's top 5 in interceptions. Blanda had 277 which is the most in NFL history, Looks like Jake has to throw another 90-100 to get into the top 5, so that should take him 5-6 more years.
 

Pariah

H.S.
Supporting Member
Joined
Feb 3, 2003
Posts
35,345
Reaction score
18
Location
The Aventine
FJM said:
Now that Denver might want Josh you just watch how many will say no-way.
Are you saying that because Denver fans want josh we're suddenly going to fall in love with him? Because, it's not "Denver" as an organization that has said word-one about McCown--it's yahoos just like us on a message board that have brought up his name.
 

BW52

Registered
Joined
May 14, 2002
Posts
5,043
Reaction score
1,904
Location
crestwood,Ky
Russ Smith said:
FJM said:
Talk about spin. WOW!!!!!!!

Remember when a bunch of you stated or agreed that Jake would be out of football after two years in Denver.

Hearing talk that he could be in the top five next year. What do you say John??

QUOTE]

nope, Jake has a few years yet before he's top 5 in interceptions. Blanda had 277 which is the most in NFL history, Looks like Jake has to throw another 90-100 to get into the top 5, so that should take him 5-6 more years.



Just look at what the Cards coach did for MCCown.Isn`t Green supposed to be a great QB wizard? :shrug: :rolleyes:
 
Top