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[Harry]

Do I believe the Cards when they say no first round QB. The only scenario in which that works is if the Cards believe Glennon could be the long term solution. I see him as Gabbert 2.0, so I can’t believe the Cards see him that differently. I also think it’s unlikely the Cards trade up. There’s not much to be gained and going up high enough to actually make a difference would be enormously costly. I expect them to stay at 15 & take a QB. This could change if one of the top 4 QBs drop, but that’s unlikely.

 

[POISON]

I think they take Rudolph, or possibly Jackson at #15

 

[BW52]

While i prefer Lamar Jackson i could see Rudolph also at #15.Unfortunately i think all top 6 QBs will be gone before then.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

Do I believe the Cards when they say no first round QB. The only scenario in which that works is if the Cards believe Glennon could be the long term solution. I see him as Gabbert 2.0, so I can’t believe the Cards see him that differently. I also think it’s unlikely the Cards trade up. There’s not much to be gained and going up high enough to actually make a difference would be enormously costly. I expect them to stay at 15 & take a QB. This could change if one of the top 4 QBs drop, but that’s unlikely.

I believe it, Cards never smokescreen and always telegraph the draft, they said the Glennon digning was to void going QB rd1. There are glaring holes at WR. The Cards invested Cousins money into Bradford and Glennon. I don't see them throwing a 1st rder in there as well. I see them going 2nd or 3rd day at QB. We will see and I am willing to bet on it, the Cards going WR round 1. Keim has many love for Glennon.

 

[Solar7]

I put it at 50/50 to the field about whether or not we go QB at that spot.

I'm becoming increasingly excited about the idea of Lamar Jackson, but I wouldn't hate Rudolph. I have a gut feeling that Falk is going to be the diamond in the rough in the later rounds, if we don't go there in round 1 though. I too think we won't trade up at this point, but maybe ahead of the Bills?

 

[cardpa]

I see them going after a QB in round 2, possibly Lauletta or Rudolph. Oline or WR in round 1. I agree with Devon on this one. I would be surprised if they went QB in round 1.

 

[Shane]

I see them going after a QB in round 2, possibly Lauletta or Rudolph. Oline or WR in round 1. I agree with Devon on this one. I would be surprised if they went QB in round 1.

Rudolph will be long gone

 

[JeffGollin]

I think they take Rudolph, or possibly Jackson at #15

Rudolph seems to fit best - both in skill-set, personality make-up and general ranking among QB prospects.

If you pull away from the scene a little bit, what you see is Steve Klein reallocating his financial resources to shift money from other positions (most notably WR) to bolster the OL.

He's probably doing this to minimize our being held hostage to position-needs in the draft.

Only problem is that it's leaving us pretty thin at WR. (Our other key roster need is arguably a QBOF).

I see us going for BPA at #15 and manouevering between #15 and #47 to land our QBOF (Rudolph, White or Lualetta) & - before the end of Round 4 - a couple of WR's (a big guy and a route guy).

 

[Shaggy]

Rudolph seems to fit best - both in skill-set, personality make-up and general ranking among QB prospects.

If you pull away from the scene a little bit, what you see is Steve Klein reallocating his financial resources to shift money from other positions (most notably WR) to bolster the OL.

He's probably doing this to minimize our being held hostage to position-needs in the draft.

Only problem is that it's leaving us pretty thin at WR. (Our other key roster need is arguably a QBOF).

I see us going for BPA at #15 and manouevering between #15 and #47 to land our QBOF (Rudolph, White or Lualetta) & - before the end of Round 4 - a couple of WR's (a big guy and a route guy).

I think if Rudolph is there at 15, they will pull the trigger on him.

 

[GoldGloveschmidt]

I can see them trading back up into the first round to grab a QB. They are scouting 5-6 of the "2nd" tier guys - Jackson, Rudolph, Falk, Litton, Lauletta. When picks 30-32 come around they will reach up and grab one for the 5th year control option.

Kirk #15

 

[Chopper0080]

I really hate the idea of Lamar Jackson or Mason Rudolph at 15. I think Rudolph is a newer model of Mike Glennon, and Lamar Jackson is going to take a ton of work. It seems like a desperation move to use your first round pick on the 5th or 6th best QB in a draft.

 

[Chopper0080]

OK, so I will waffle here. I'm ok with Lamar Jackson or Rudolph at 15 as long as we take a page out of the BRowns handbook and also take one in the first round next year if he doesn't flash right away ala Kizer.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

I see Cards going O-line in the first; Whether it be Price, McGlinchey, Nelson (if he falls), Hernandez, etc.. Or if by some miracle a QB like Mayfield/Allen falls to a certain range (between 9-12) then a trade up might happen. I think Keim knows that Bradford is more than serviceable as long as he has an O-Line, so making that a strength would pay huge dividends. Very tough draft to project...some really good players could fall due to other teams desperation of reaching for a QB.

 

[AZfaninMN]

If we go Madon Rudolph at 15, I wouldn’t mind seeing James Washington at 47. Familiarity, I think, can help in a young QBs progression

 

[WildBB]

I see Cards going O-line in the first; Whether it be Price, McGlinchey, Nelson (if he falls), Hernandez, etc.. Or if by some miracle a QB like Mayfield/Allen falls to a certain range (between 9-12) then a trade up might happen. I think Keim knows that Bradford is more than serviceable as long as he has an O-Line, so making that a strength would pay huge dividends. Very tough draft to project...some really good players could fall due to other teams desperation of reaching for a QB.

They could go OL (Williams) or WR (Sutton) at 15 then trade into the back end of the 1st rd. If either Jackson or Rudolph is available. Kind of think that someone takes a flyer on Rudolph in the 1st 25 picks. Maybe Jackson as well. Faulk would be the fall back option but not until the 2nd, imo.

 

[Son of RedRage]

Rudolph is a no-go for me. Ditto with everybody saying we should take Lauletta in the 2nd. Just because a QB has a good pro day doesn't mean he's our QBOTF.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Do I believe the Cards when they say no first round QB. The only scenario in which that works is if the Cards believe Glennon could be the long term solution. I see him as Gabbert 2.0, so I can’t believe the Cards see him that differently. I also think it’s unlikely the Cards trade up. There’s not much to be gained and going up high enough to actually make a difference would be enormously costly. I expect them to stay at 15 & take a QB. This could change if one of the top 4 QBs drop, but that’s unlikely.

Confusing, to say the least.

The Cards select the 5th, 6th, or 7th rated QB at #15 and pass on #1, #2 rated prospects at other positions.

 

[cardpa]

Rudolph will be long gone

You are probably correct, they would have to move up if they wanted Rudolph.

 

[oaken1]

Rudolph is a no-go for me. Ditto with everybody saying we should take Lauletta in the 2nd. Just because a QB has a good pro day doesn't mean he's our QBOTF.

I agree. My first round picks stop at Jackson and technically even he is a reach at 15. as much as so many here have been enamored of Lauletta due to a decent senior bowl and pro day,... the kid is a third round pick for us and even that is heavily weighted by need...I would probably take Rudolph at 47 if nobody else slides to the spot... but if for some reason Price slides to 47 I would pick him over Rudolph.

Folks need to not put quite as much stock in that senior bowl. Doing well there helps a guy like Lauletta, yes. It helps when you get a chance to see how well a kid responds to pro coaching and for a guy like Lauletta it helps because the competition level is a bit higher than he played against in college.
but you have to understand that there are only a few NFL players at the senior bowl. Most of those guys are NOT the best football players in the country, in the draft.. the best football players usually dont stay in college to become seniors. Most of the best declare for the draft as underclassmen. Even if you put those senior bowl teams together for an entire season they most likely would not post a record over .500 in a major conference...stanford, bama, ohio state, USC...teams like that would destroy those senior bowl teams... the talent level just does not match up. The senior bowl is not an all star game, not a pro bowl... its just the best college players who played until they were seniors.


Minkah Fitzpatrick DB Alabama
Ronnie Harrison DB Alabama
Da’Ron Payne NT Alabama
Calvin Ridley WR Alabama
Bo Scarbrough RB Alabama
Leighton Vander Esch LB Boise State
Auden Tate WR Florida State
Jalen Wilkerson DE Florida State
Roquan Smith LB Georgia
Trenton Thompson DT Georgia
Simmie Cobbs WR Indiana
James Daniels C Iowa
Josh Jackson DB Iowa
Jaire Alexander DB Louisville
Geron Christian T Louisville
Lamar Jackson QB Louisville
Derrius Guice RB LSU
Donte Jackson DB LSU
Arden Key LB LSU
Kevin Toliver DB LSU
Equanimeous St. Brown WR Notre Dame
Jerome Baker LB Ohio State
Denzel Ward DB Ohio State
Mark Andrews TE Oklahoma
Orlando Brown T Oklahoma
Saquon Barkley RB Penn State
Malik Jefferson LB Texas
Chris Warren RB Texas
Connor Williams T Texas
Christian Kirk WR Texas A&M
Keke Coutee WR Texas Tech
Olasunkanmi Adeniyi DE Toledo
Mike Hughes DB UCF
Jordan Lasley WR UCLA
Kolton Miller T UCLA
Austin Roberts TE UCLA
Josh Rosen QB UCLA
Deontay Burnett WR USC
Sam Darnold QB USC
Rasheem Green DT USC
Ronald Jones RB USC
Tremaine Edmunds LB Virginia Tech
Vita Vea NT Washington
Tavares Martin WR Washington State
Hercules Mata’afa DE Washington State


every one of these guys is an underclassman... the ones highlighted are projected as first round picks. This is not all of the underclassmen... but none of these guys were at the senior bowl... how good would a guy like Lauletta look if he had Denzel Ward, Mincah Fitzpatrick and Mike Hughes covering his WR during that game while Vita Vea was bull rushing his center?

 

[NJCardFan]

This team has many holes. If they're not going QB in the 1st round then they should trade down for more picks.

 

[HGC]

Keim knows how bad this team is going to be next year.
Next years pick is probably top 5.

 

[oaken1]

This team has many holes. If they're not going QB in the 1st round then they should trade down for more picks.

not so much. we need players... but we really need players who can make a difference. If five QB's go in the top 15 picks there will be a few blue chip players available at 15 and we need to grab one.... usually 15 puts a team just out of reach from the best players... but not if QB's run... it can be the difference between Hassan Reddick or Luke Keuchly
usually have to have a top ten pick to get the best players but we have a shot at one of them at 15 with all the QB thirsty teams moving up.

 

[oaken1]

Keim knows how bad this team is going to be next year.
Next years pick is probably top 5.

yeah. Probably plans to get his QB there, lol

 

[Shane]

Keim knows how bad this team is going to be next year.
Next years pick is probably top 5.

yeah. Probably plans to get his QB there, lol

This team as constructed right now will win at least six games no way will be top five... will miss out again

 

[BW52]

I agree. My first round picks stop at Jackson and technically even he is a reach at 15. as much as so many here have been enamored of Lauletta due to a decent senior bowl and pro day,... the kid is a third round pick for us and even that is heavily weighted by need...I would probably take Rudolph at 47 if nobody else slides to the spot... but if for some reason Price slides to 47 I would pick him over Rudolph.

Folks need to not put quite as much stock in that senior bowl. Doing well there helps a guy like Lauletta, yes. It helps when you get a chance to see how well a kid responds to pro coaching and for a guy like Lauletta it helps because the competition level is a bit higher than he played against in college.
but you have to understand that there are only a few NFL players at the senior bowl. Most of those guys are NOT the best football players in the country, in the draft.. the best football players usually dont stay in college to become seniors. Most of the best declare for the draft as underclassmen. Even if you put those senior bowl teams together for an entire season they most likely would not post a record over .500 in a major conference...stanford, bama, ohio state, USC...teams like that would destroy those senior bowl teams... the talent level just does not match up. The senior bowl is not an all star game, not a pro bowl... its just the best college players who played until they were seniors.


Minkah Fitzpatrick DB Alabama
Ronnie Harrison DB Alabama
Da’Ron Payne NT Alabama
Calvin Ridley WR Alabama
Bo Scarbrough RB Alabama
Leighton Vander Esch LB Boise State
Auden Tate WR Florida State
Jalen Wilkerson DE Florida State
Roquan Smith LB Georgia
Trenton Thompson DT Georgia
Simmie Cobbs WR Indiana
James Daniels C Iowa
Josh Jackson DB Iowa
Jaire Alexander DB Louisville
Geron Christian T Louisville
Lamar Jackson QB Louisville
Derrius Guice RB LSU
Donte Jackson DB LSU
Arden Key LB LSU
Kevin Toliver DB LSU
Equanimeous St. Brown WR Notre Dame
Jerome Baker LB Ohio State
Denzel Ward DB Ohio State
Mark Andrews TE Oklahoma
Orlando Brown T Oklahoma
Saquon Barkley RB Penn State
Malik Jefferson LB Texas
Chris Warren RB Texas
Connor Williams T Texas
Christian Kirk WR Texas A&M
Keke Coutee WR Texas Tech
Olasunkanmi Adeniyi DE Toledo
Mike Hughes DB UCF
Jordan Lasley WR UCLA
Kolton Miller T UCLA
Austin Roberts TE UCLA
Josh Rosen QB UCLA
Deontay Burnett WR USC
Sam Darnold QB USC
Rasheem Green DT USC
Ronald Jones RB USC
Tremaine Edmunds LB Virginia Tech
Vita Vea NT Washington
Tavares Martin WR Washington State
Hercules Mata’afa DE Washington State


every one of these guys is an underclassman... the ones highlighted are projected as first round picks. This is not all of the underclassmen... but none of these guys were at the senior bowl... how good would a guy like Lauletta look if he had Denzel Ward, Mincah Fitzpatrick and Mike Hughes covering his WR during that game while Vita Vea was bull rushing his center?

What i question concerning Rudolph and Lauletta is can they make all the NFL throws? I also think Baker Mayfield will have the same problem .having enough arm to make all the throws.FWIW reading NFL.com scouting reports ;Mayfield and Rudolph both have some arm strength issues and Lauletta is conidered a fine short and intermediate passer but lacks arm to make all the NFL throws.Yet all these guys have flashed the ability to do what it takes to win in college.The key is how well will their skills project to the bigger faster NFL.Every one of the QBs in the draft have issues that need NFL Coaching to try and correct to maximaze each guys potential.


Sam Darnold-turnovers and a release that needs work,technique
Josh Rosen-setup needs work and reads need work,maturity?
Baker Mayfield-low release,technique and deep throws,lacks height
Josh Allen-decision making,reads,technique,accuracy
Lamar Jackson-technique,reads,accuracy,bulk
Mason Rudolph-technique,turnovers,deep throws



Al have positives
Darnold-arm,size,poise
Rosen-arm,technique
Mayfield-toughness,setup,touch, a leader
Jackson-Big arm,great athletic ability,smart,release,speed
Rudolph-Size,height,reads

the question is what can these guys bring to the table and how quickly can they contribute and what can each contribute in the long run.Which guy can be the QB to lead the team for the next several seasons?I think Bradford is starting at QB and Glennon is 2nd QB.Any rookie QB is going to be 3rd QB unless Bradford gets hurt.So except for injury or injuries any QB Cards draft will likely have year to watch and learn.