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Fitz will be fine. He was as open as he's typically been. Palmer had some timing & precision issues.

Speaking of Palmer, the lousy O-line play was a significant part of the problem. It was clear he almost always had to forego his progressions and throw to the primary receiver even when that receiver was covered. He could have eaten a few more and taken a sack, but that's not his mentality. What he does appear to have lost is his ability to throw on the move. If you look at the overthrow down the middle he had a rusher coming straight in and couldn't step into the throw. Another interception bounced off Ellington. I actually was encouraged to see Palmer move in the pocket. In 2015 he often frustrated the rush by shifting position in the pocket. Last year he was a statue. I think he can still win games if given time to throw. I am a little concerned about arm strength. He did look short often on quick outs. On the other hand he was on the money on the play JJ dropped.

The receivers likely were open more than the network view showed. Again every playmaker looks bad when the O-line fails.

That brings us to the play calling. It was bad. I thought the offense looked best just before the half when they went essentially no huddle. Yet, they never used that strategy again until the game was out of reach. Even before he was hurt Johnson got too few touches. The Cards hardly ever ran a screen or run delay even with a furious rush. They simply did little to slow it. Some quick crossing routes to others beside Fitz would have helped. Note how much better John Brown looked on these quick short throws. There were just too few of them.

As to the defense the push rush looked weak up the middle, letting Stafford escape continuously. The run defense was better than I expected. I didn't feel any of the safeties had a good game. At CB Bethel looked better but inconsistent. Even Peterson lost focus at times. This was a team loss. It's hard to believe they could draft a receiver who could be plan B on kick returns. I will concede coverage was better on kickoffs. However on punts the gunners were consistently out kicked.

Can this team win 9 games? They must fix the O-line to do so. The fix starts there.
 

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Fitz will be fine. He was as open as he's typically been. Palmer had some timing & precision issues.

Speaking of Palmer, the lousy O-line play was a significant part of the problem. It was clear he almost always had to forego his progressions and throw to the primary receiver even when that receiver was covered. He could have eaten a few more and taken a sack, but that's not his mentality. What he does appear to have lost is his ability to throw on the move. If you look at the overthrow down the middle he had a rusher coming straight in and couldn't step into the throw. Another interception bounced off Ellington. I actually was encouraged to see Palmer move in the pocket. In 2015 he often frustrated the rush by shifting position in the pocket. Last year he was a statue. I think he can still win games if given time to throw. I am a little concerned about arm strength. He did look short often on quick outs. On the other hand he was on the money on the play JJ dropped.

The receivers likely were open more than the network view showed. Again every playmaker looks bad when the O-line fails.

That brings us to the play calling. It was bad. I thought the offense looked best just before the half when they went essentially no huddle. Yet, they never used that strategy again until the game was out of reach. Even before he was hurt Johnson got too few touches. The Cards hardly ever ran a screen or run delay even with a furious rush. They simply did little to slow it. Some quick crossing routes to others beside Fitz would have helped. Note how much better John Brown looked on these quick short throws. There were just too few of them.

As to the defense the push rush looked weak up the middle, letting Stafford escape continuously. The run defense was better than I expected. I didn't feel any of the safeties had a good game. At CB Bethel looked better but inconsistent. Even Peterson lost focus at times. This was a team loss. It's hard to believe they could draft a receiver who could be plan B on kick returns. I will concede coverage was better on kickoffs. However on punts the gunners were consistently out kicked.

Can this team win 9 games? They must fix the O-line to do so. The fix starts there.
I think what we saw confirmed loud and clear that last season was not a fluke or outlier ... this team has some serious problems and sadly IMO they include the coaching staff... Management needs to take charge and make changes...
whats it been?? 3 years now that we snap on one every single play?
we have run maybe three effective screen plays in the past five years or so? Honestly,...a dude like AE should average about 20 yards on screen plays.
special teams have been on a steady downward slide the past 5 years or so

still puzzled as to why so many teams look like playoff teams every year on week one.... but we look like a big 10 team on week one. no speed, no timing, and no discipline.....both lines look like they just met their team mates at the pregame carb stacking brunch

this team is not being prepared to play football.
 

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Harry, like you, I'm concerned with CP's arm strength. But I'm expecting our game plan vs. Indy will feature deep throws. If it doesn't, then I'll be more worried.
 

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With David Johnson being out, and Tyrann Mathieu looking very average, this team is going to struggle to NOT lose double digit games, IMHO.

My stupid idea of the day?

Get Iupati, Veldheer, and Bethel on the trading block, and get whatever you can for them.
 

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Palmer had no time and played antsy and scared because of it. If the line plays better, I bet we see a totally different PAlmer.

I wonder if he still takes Wednesday off, it is clear the timing is not there from so much time off.
 

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Palmer had no time and played antsy and scared because of it. If the line plays better, I bet we see a totally different PAlmer.

I wonder if he still takes Wednesday off, it is clear the timing is not there from so much time off.

Hope youre right. The shorting of quick outs was very concerning to me. His arm looks dead. Whoever posted about Palmer issues coming from being an arm thrower and not using his legs and core is a very interesting hypothesis to me..
 

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Arians gave Palmer no leash when he explained the play. He said Palmer had no excuse and neither did Arians. I think it was completely on CP and CP knows it.


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Im no football guru, but that felt like a timing throw and Johnson ran the wrong route? Either way, the miscommunication was the reason for the INT, not Palmer just gifting it.

There was no one there. Timing or not, if you aren't seeing the field, you freaking out. Clearly he could have seen DJ was nowhere near where he threw it. He was so worried worried about getting hit.
 

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Palmer had no time and played antsy and scared because of it. If the line plays better, I bet we see a totally different PAlmer.

I wonder if he still takes Wednesday off, it is clear the timing is not there from so much time off.

I hope he doesn't take a long layover this week. He had plenty of rest throughout training camp and preseason.
 

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I hope he doesn't take a long layover this week. He had plenty of rest throughout training camp and preseason.

If they still rest him wednesday after that performance, I wont feel bad about the fan backlash
 

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I am always the most pissed and say whatever right after a loss. But now that 2 days went by... The difference between winning and losing every year and every game is like 4-5 plays. We miss an easy fg they make an impossible one. Stafford hirs the rookie wr where he dives and makes an amazing catch. Palmer over throws a wide open Fitz. We had Stafford sacked...he spins and runs 15 yards for the 1st down. Change those plays...and we probably win. Just like last year. We missed 3 fgs to win...and had a handful of wtf plays that made us lose.
What I am worried about is that the same old Cards are coming back. We lose these games now. These wtf plays happen and only to us. Lasy year we have a forward pass called a fumble and the 1 time the entire year the replay is broken...it happens on that play. Yet the NFL couldnt use the replay that the network provided?!? We have a kicker make a 60 yard fg...then miss a 25 yarder to beat Seattle . we now have the best playwr in the league get hurt right away for practically the season...it is starting to feel like we are jinxed again. :( I think Warmer and his relationship with God seemed to overcome the jinxed part.
 

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And I think our coach is delusional....we lose a 2000 yard player who is considered top 3 in the league....and he has the audacity to say...we will be fine. With what we have....how does that make sense? Sometimes speaking the truth takes balls....we need to trade for a reliable rb. Just like Minnesota did when Bridgewater went down. Life sucks but you just dont go next man up in the NFL. He is too stubborn just like when Palmer and Stanton went down....we had a Wal-Mart employee play QB. And yet he was fine with that.....Arians thinks he can win with anyone. And thats his problem.
 

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I am always the most pissed and say whatever right after a loss. But now that 2 days went by... The difference between winning and losing every year and every game is like 4-5 plays. We miss an easy fg they make an impossible one. Stafford hirs the rookie wr where he dives and makes an amazing catch. Palmer over throws a wide open Fitz. We had Stafford sacked...he spins and runs 15 yards for the 1st down. Change those plays...and we probably win. Just like last year. We missed 3 fgs to win...and had a handful of wtf plays that made us lose.
What I am worried about is that the same old Cards are coming back. We lose these games now. These wtf plays happen and only to us. Lasy year we have a forward pass called a fumble and the 1 time the entire year the replay is broken...it happens on that play. Yet the NFL couldnt use the replay that the network provided?!? We have a kicker make a 60 yard fg...then miss a 25 yarder to beat Seattle . we now have the best playwr in the league get hurt right away for practically the season...it is starting to feel like we are jinxed again. :( I think Warmer and his relationship with God seemed to overcome the jinxed part.

This is a great post, Cards_Campos. Perfectly said.

The Lions were gift wrapping this game and the Cardinals gift wrapped it right back. It's a very disturbing pattern and an all too familiar script, only this time made worse by the fact that the other team was even more dreadful to start with.
 

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And I think our coach is delusional....we lose a 2000 yard player who is considered top 3 in the league....and he has the audacity to say...we will be fine. With what we have....how does that make sense? Sometimes speaking the truth takes balls....we need to trade for a reliable rb. Just like Minnesota did when Bridgewater went down. Life sucks but you just dont go next man up in the NFL. He is too stubborn just like when Palmer and Stanton went down....we had a Wal-Mart employee play QB. And yet he was fine with that.....Arians thinks he can win with anyone. And thats his problem.

We will be fine :)
 

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And I think our coach is delusional....we lose a 2000 yard player who is considered top 3 in the league....and he has the audacity to say...we will be fine. With what we have....how does that make sense? Sometimes speaking the truth takes balls....we need to trade for a reliable rb. Just like Minnesota did when Bridgewater went down. Life sucks but you just dont go next man up in the NFL. He is too stubborn just like when Palmer and Stanton went down....we had a Wal-Mart employee play QB. And yet he was fine with that.....Arians thinks he can win with anyone. And thats his problem.

Again, this argument has real merit. I think BA tries to talk himself into believing certain things even when he likely doesn't believe them. if I were BA, I'd wonder what the heck Steve Keim was doing this whole off-season. Keim gave BA no real reinforcements on offense...no upgrades. Thus, BA probably feels as if he does have to try to make the best of what he's got.

The other thing is --- I always get the sense that BA doesn't want to have to train anyone new to fit into his offense. It's why practically the only guys he re-signs when injuries happen are players he cut who already know the system, like Ryan Lindley. How is it that the Cowboys could get Dak Prescott integrated into their offense in a matter of weeks and playing like a Pro Bowler and the Cardinals couldn't get Carson Palmer to feel comfortable with the offense until week 9 of his first year?
 

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Or Johnson ran the correct route and CP threw the wrong route. Either way that's how an int looks so bad. It's usually a misread by one of the players.

Yep... and it's very hard - but not impossible, for me to believe that the captain of our offensive ship threw the wrong route... After all these years, if CP still forgets routes, well...
 

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Yep... and it's very hard - but not impossible, for me to believe that the captain of our offensive ship threw the wrong route... After all these years, if CP still forgets routes, well...

It's not about forgetting routes but how the receiver and QB read the D as the play starts to unfold. Carson saw it one way and DJ saw it another way. IMO DJ looked more open the way he ran the route but that may because the DB was already moving toward where CP threw the ball.
 

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Yea... but that was because Johnson broke the wrong way... I think. :eek:

Carson Palmer threw an interception on the first offensive play after the Lions took the lead in the 4th quarter. He threw it behind Andre Ellington, a player Palmer had said could be a starting WR in the NFL.
 

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Carson Palmer threw an interception on the first offensive play after the Lions took the lead in the 4th quarter. He threw it behind Andre Ellington, a player Palmer had said could be a starting WR in the NFL.

Yea.. but that was because he was being harassed in the pocket... I think. :eek:
 

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