One draft opinion

[Cbus cardsfan]

I had dinner on Saturday night with my Jax friend and we went over the Cards draft. Here's just a quick opinion on how he saw the Cards draft.

Bucannon: they had a 4th round grade on him. Good hitter/tackler but stiff in coverage and changing directions. Didn't think he was a good fit for their defense which I found surprising because HC Bradley came from Seattle.

Nikklas: very raw but could be good with good coaching and continued development. Probably went a tad earlier than expected.

Martin: great value in round 3. If he keeps his head on straight he could be a contributor this year.

Brown: loved the pick. Thought this was the best Cards draftee. Phenomenal kid.

Thomas: like everyone else says, he has all the tools to be a great QB but he has to "get it" mentally because that's where he struggles. Thought he was worth the risk and, overall, liked him.

Didn't talk too much about Stinson and I couldn't remember the 6th round pick so I have nothing on him either.


Other notes: there were a lot of positive tests at the combine. Some names that would surprise you but I'm not going to do that. However, it does sound like Desertdawg's favorite college team should be the defending Nat'l Champs.

 

[b8rtm8nn]

positive results for steroids, HGH or recreational drugs?

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Yikes... I hope to god Deone is not a 4th rounder...

 

[Big Deal]

Yikes... I hope to god Deone is not a 4th rounder...

Consider the source.

There is no way on God's green earth that he was rated as the #1 or #2 safety in almost every publication yet he is a fourth rounder. Add to that, the fact that a record number of DBs went in the first round and I have no question about the pick. If we had traded down another 5 slots and NE picked him in front of us we would have all blown our top that the #1 need wasn't addressed in the draft.

I believe that a team can see a skill or style and say, that doesn't fit our team and give a lower rating, but really who cares. Jacksonville has by far been the worst drafting team in the history of the NFL, yet we are supposed to be upset that they had our guy rated low? I'm literally glad to hear this.

 

[BigRedRage]

Consider the source.

There is no way on God's green earth that he was rated as the #1 or #2 safety in almost every publication yet he is a fourth rounder. Add to that, the fact that a record number of DBs went in the first round and I have no question about the pick. If we had traded down another 5 slots and NE picked him in front of us we would have all blown our top that the #1 need wasn't addressed in the draft.

I believe that a team can see a skill or style and say, that doesn't fit our team and give a lower rating, but really who cares. Jacksonville has by far been the worst drafting team in the history of the NFL, yet we are supposed to be upset that they had our guy rated low? I'm literally glad to hear this.

Jax main draft guy now works on our staff

 

[Finito]

Jax main draft guy now works on our staff

Ok but is he the main guy on our staff????

This has already been posted. I don't think there's a need to over Jacksonville's recent draft history again.

The Bucannon pick has gotten nothing but love and they had a 4th round grade on him, seriously? Forget the fact he's bigger AND faster than Clinton-Dix and Pryor but he's a 4th rounder. I think that speaks more to Jacksonville than it does Bucannon.

 

[D-Dogg]

Maybe a 4th round grade on their board, but that's very low. I have zero doubt that he'd have been there in the second round. The 9ers would have taken him, IMO. If not, he would have been gone by our next pick regardless.

However, for Jax he might not fit their style of defense, and thus lower graded overall.

On Troy, same deal...he doesn't last to the third for us, and we wanted a TE. He was the best one left after Jace went, and perhaps the Cards liked troy better anyway for their offense.

 

[Buckybird]

Jax main draft guy now works on our staff

Yep! I was scratching my head over that hiring as well. I guess we will see 3 yrs down the road, but SK still runs the show.

As for as cbus' comments: thanks for the info

1) I didn't think we improved our ability to defend athletic TEs on draft day with Buccanon. I think he's strictly a box safety who didn't play as fast on the field as his combine numbers. The 4-5 games I saw him at WSU he was average in coverage because his size limits him IMO.

Was he over drafted? I think so, but that doesn't make me think he's a bad player he's just limited. We can only hope he's the second coming of AW, who struggled at moments in coverage as well throughout his career.

2) the Niklaus pick to me was the real reach because of what BA wants offensively. Good solid player, nothing more. Drafting a predominantly blocking TE isn't worth a 2nd rounder IMO, those picks should be counted on as stars & game changers!!! Don't we have the exact same player in Carlson? I don't think either are fast enough to be a Heath Miller clone. Today's nfl is changing & sometimes you have to change your philosophies on some positions

 

[BigRedRage]

Ok but is he the main guy on our staff????

This has already been posted. I don't think there's a need to over Jacksonville's recent draft history again.

The Bucannon pick has gotten nothing but love and they had a 4th round grade on him, seriously? Forget the fact he's bigger AND faster than Clinton-Dix and Pryor but he's a 4th rounder. I think that speaks more to Jacksonville than it does Bucannon.

It was only in response to someone stating how bad drafting JAX is and that it doesnt matter. Nothing more.

 

[football karma]

I dont care about Jax having him rated at a 4th rounder. First, they noted he doesnt fit their system. That would knock him down

but the bigger thing is that after the first 10- 20 players or so --- there is wide variance from team to team on how guys are rated. Some of it is scheme -- some of it is just diff of opinion

there is a reason the Cards can put a top 120 board together and have it last the entire draft ---- if everyone's opinions in the NFL were the same, that 120 board would be empty before the end of the fourth round.

 

[BW52]

Okay CBUS we all get it.YOU DON`T LIKE THE CARDS DRAFT.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Consider the source.

There is no way on God's green earth that he was rated as the #1 or #2 safety in almost every publication yet he is a fourth rounder. Add to that, the fact that a record number of DBs went in the first round and I have no question about the pick. If we had traded down another 5 slots and NE picked him in front of us we would have all blown our top that the #1 need wasn't addressed in the draft.

I believe that a team can see a skill or style and say, that doesn't fit our team and give a lower rating, but really who cares. Jacksonville has by far been the worst drafting team in the history of the NFL, yet we are supposed to be upset that they had our guy rated low? I'm literally glad to hear this.

You do realize the cards had rod graves running their draft for years and that's who keim learned from.

Just saying, it's pretty funny for a cards fan to be saying consider the source and act like keim/cards are beyond reproach.

 

[Mulli]

Did you discuss all the strong safeties picked in round 1 in the last 5-10 years?

 

[GuernseyCard]

Yep! I was scratching my head over that hiring as well. I guess we will see 3 yrs down the road, but SK still runs the show.

As for as cbus' comments: thanks for the info

1) I didn't think we improved our ability to defend athletic TEs on draft day with Buccanon. I think he's strictly a box safety who didn't play as fast on the field as his combine numbers. The 4-5 games I saw him at WSU he was average in coverage because his size limits him IMO.

Was he over drafted? I think so, but that doesn't make me think he's a bad player he's just limited. We can only hope he's the second coming of AW, who struggled at moments in coverage as well throughout his career.

2) the Niklaus pick to me was the real reach because of what BA wants offensively. Good solid player, nothing more. Drafting a predominantly blocking TE isn't worth a 2nd rounder IMO, those picks should be counted on as stars & game changers!!! Don't we have the exact same player in Carlson? I don't think either are fast enough to be a Heath Miller clone. Today's nfl is changing & sometimes you have to change your philosophies on some positions

Niklas has the second best YPC of the top T-ends. He's more than a blocker and he came out a year early.

As for Bucannon, a simple block safety doesn't have 15 int's in top College ball.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Did you discuss all the strong safeties picked in round 1 in the last 5-10 years?

There was only 1, so no it didn't come up

 

[Mulli]

There was only 1, so no it didn't come up

Not true. I thought this was made clear on draft day.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Bucannon

Link: http://www.ourlads.com/nfl-mock-draft/2014/

Four-year starter who led the Pac-12 in tackles with 109. His total of 114 tackles was 8th best in the country. He is the biggest, fastest, most productive, durable, explosive, and athletic safety in this draft. He has experience at both free and strong safety. Has been elected team captain three times. A physical run through tackler who plays the ball well down the field and has good ball skills. Smart, mature, tough, versatile, and motivated.

Supports the run like a concrete truck running into a Yugo. He is not only a hitter, but a wrap up tackler. Has the feet and flexibility to run with tight ends, backs, and wide receivers. Can play deep off the ball or in the slot. Forces fumbles not only as a collision hitter but with his active hands grabbing at the ball. Athletic and agile working through traffic on run support.

Recorded 384 tackles in his career, 7 forced fumbles, 3 fumble recoveries, and 15 interceptions. A four year playmaker. The Sultan of Swat from the Palouse grades out as a very valuable weapon for a creative defensive coordinator against the run, in pass coverage, and as a blitzer.

He lettered in golf for four years in high school.


*** Wouldn't the fact that the JAGS drafted CYPRIEN last year have an effect on Bucannon's grade?

 

[HeavyB3]

I wouldn't trust Jacksonville to grade my 7th grader's Social Studies papers, let alone potential NFL players.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Okay CBUS we all get it.YOU DON`T LIKE THE CARDS DRAFT.

I think he was overall pretty positive on the cards draft but way to be defensive. Would you feel better if I thought all 6 cards picks were great and I bet all make at least 2 all-pro teams.

people are too sensitive around here. You know what, Deonee Bucannon was the freakin steal of the draft. I can't believe the cards could trade back and still get him. Good thing they didn't trade back to 30 because he was definitely gone by then.

You act like keim is some kind of guru. He had a 3rd rounder with as many off field issues as has been in the draft since Lawrence Phillips work out, so far, and got great production out of Ellington. What else did he get out of his 1st draft to give everyone so much hope?

Cooper , minter,, okafor , swope, and watford haven't played 20 downs combined yet Keim is almighty. Btw, this guy loved the cooper pick last year but being from Jax it means Cooper is a bust.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Not true. I thought this was made clear on draft day.

It was. It was shown that I was right. I had forgot about Vaccaro last year. The others were combo safeties, something Bucannon is not.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I wouldn't trust Jacksonville to grade my 7th grader's Social Studies papers, let alone potential NFL players.

That's good to know. Would you let graves/keim?

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Bucannon

Link: http://www.ourlads.com/nfl-mock-draft/2014/

Four-year starter who led the Pac-12 in tackles with 109. His total of 114 tackles was 8th best in the country. He is the biggest, fastest, most productive, durable, explosive, and athletic safety in this draft. He has experience at both free and strong safety. Has been elected team captain three times. A physical run through tackler who plays the ball well down the field and has good ball skills. Smart, mature, tough, versatile, and motivated.

Supports the run like a concrete truck running into a Yugo. He is not only a hitter, but a wrap up tackler. Has the feet and flexibility to run with tight ends, backs, and wide receivers. Can play deep off the ball or in the slot. Forces fumbles not only as a collision hitter but with his active hands grabbing at the ball. Athletic and agile working through traffic on run support.

Recorded 384 tackles in his career, 7 forced fumbles, 3 fumble recoveries, and 15 interceptions. A four year playmaker. The Sultan of Swat from the Palouse grades out as a very valuable weapon for a creative defensive coordinator against the run, in pass coverage, and as a blitzer.

He lettered in golf for four years in high school.


*** Wouldn't the fact that the JAGS drafted CYPRIEN last year have an effect on Bucannon's grade?

What a steal. He should have been top 10.

 

[Finito]

Did you discuss all the strong safeties picked in round 1 in the last 5-10 years?

Lol

I think I've seen this movie and it ends bad

 

[BullheadCardFan]

You do realize the cards had rod graves running their draft for years and that's who keim learned from.

The old saying is you learn from your mistakes and the mistakes others make around you. In that case there was plenty to learn.

 

[Mulli]

Hey CbUS all in fun. No big deal that the Jags didn't like DCanon (tm) Lots of teams have boards with players ranked differently.