One of the things the Cardinals do well

[spanky1]

If this is a pass happy game...which it is, we have a track record of drafting good WR's.

I believe that Doucet and Roberts will star this year. We will lose one of them next year, assuming that this true. Floyd will surprise alot of people in his rookie season, even though he likely will be brought along slowly.

But look at our track record over the last few years....Fitz, Boldin, Breston, all "top off the line". Sure, you can "bitch" about Johnson and Boston, but by and large, we deserve an A+. Add in Housler, who I think will have a great year at TE.

We have real potential depth....Sampson, Williams and a few CFA's this year that could surprise...I'm thinking of Crump, especially.

Yup, we need our QB to get the ball to them....that's the $64MM question.

 

[Bodha]

Meh.

Fitz was a clear cut superstar, there was no skill in that pick.

Q and Breaston were brilliant picks.

Roberts and Doucet are average. Which isnt a bad thing, this is the NFL and so obviously they have considerable talent. But neither are special.

Floyd is no superstar. He was a smart pick. He helps us out in many areas of the game, but people shouldnt expect consecutive pro bowls out of him.

I disagree about our depth. Im over the Stephen Williams experiment. He and Sampson cant seem to get into game mode once the season starts. Both perform well in pre season, but disappear during real games. Gino wont make the team come cuts.


If theres anything the Cards do well, its drafting late round talent.

 

[BigRedRage]

we have had more all star WR than anything in cardinal history. Understand exactly whats trying to be said.

there is a thread somewhere with a discussion of building Wrs in a cloning lab.

Frank sanders? David Boston?

 

[Bodha]

Not really a compliment, that just says we lack at everything else. Which is most likely the case.

This is the oldest team in the NFL, and only have handful of HOf enshrinees.

Da Bears, the co-oldest team, has the most names in the HOF.

 

[BigRedRage]

Not really a compliment, that just says we lack at everything else. Which is most likely the case.

This is the oldest team in the NFL, and only have handful of HOf enshrinees.

Da Bears, the co-oldest team, has the most names in the HOF.

The guy is just saying we are a notorious WR factory. No need to piss on the rainbows. I know it is against darksider rule to let anyone say positive but come on now!

We would all love more but I have always been proud of our ability to have top notch WRs throughout my time as a fan.

 

[THESMEL]

We Pass 66+% of the time!

WR factory? We passed more than anyteam in history over the last 5 years and have the fewest rush attempts in history over the last 5 years,

Ever wonder why we are inconsistant? on defense? on ST? We have more 3 and outs than Major League Baseball. The stupid Niners ran it down our throats and took the NFCW division!

But we had better pass stats! and they had 3 -1st round WR's and a 1st QB last year. Yea we better get PASS them before we act to silly, stupid playcallers.

The guy is just saying we are a notorious WR factory. No need to piss on the rainbows. I know it is against darksider rule to let anyone say positive but come on now!

We would all love more but I have always been proud of our ability to have top notch WRs throughout my time as a fan.

 

[Duckjake]

The guy is just saying we are a notorious WR factory. No need to piss on the rainbows. I know it is against darksider rule to let anyone say positive but come on now!

We would all love more but I have always been proud of our ability to have top notch WRs throughout my time as a fan.

No kidding. Sonny Randle, Mel Gray, Roy Green, Rob Moore, Anquan Boldin, Larry Fitzgerald. Heck even David Boston had 1,598 yards receiving one season.

Even some of our 2nd WRs have done well. Bobby Joe Conrad (led the NFL in receptions in 1963) Pat Tilley, John Gilliam, Rickey Proehl, Frank Sanders.

Compare that to the other skill positions QB, RB, and TE.

 

[Bodha]

The guy is just saying we are a notorious WR factory. No need to piss on the rainbows. I know it is against darksider rule to let anyone say positive but come on now!

We would all love more but I have always been proud of our ability to have top notch WRs throughout my time as a fan.

Im not being negative, it just seems like an iirelevant fact to celebrate.

Its the same as we cardinals fans being excited about making the playoffs.

In Pittsburg, New England, Green Bay, they expect the playoffs every year. They have Conference championship games scheduled in preseason. So being excited that we have a couple good WRs seems silly. Id much rather have HOF QBs and super bowl rings.

 

[BigRedRage]

Im not being negative, it just seems like an iirelevant fact to celebrate.

Its the same as we cardinals fans being excited about making the playoffs.

In Pittsburg, New England, Green Bay, they expect the playoffs every year. They have Conference championship games scheduled in preseason. So being excited that we have a couple good WRs seems silly. Id much rather have HOF QBs and super bowl rings.

id rather have donald trumps wealth than mine but im still happy with mine.

Should we just diss our team until we are perrenial super bowl title guys?

I was super stoked on our SB run and still am. Will also be stoked if we make the playoffs. The team doesnt have to be perfect for me to praise them.

I see your point, just not why its in this thread.

 

[Duckjake]

Im not being negative, it just seems like an iirelevant fact to celebrate.

Its the same as we cardinals fans being excited about making the playoffs.

In Pittsburg, New England, Green Bay, they expect the playoffs every year. They shoot for the superbowl. So being excited that we have a couple good WRs seems silly. Id much rather have HOF QBs and super bowl rings.

But we don't so why not celebrate something we have seen the Cards do well?

Being proud of the achievements of our WRs is not mutually exclusive of expecting the playoffs every year and shooting for the SB.

I agree though that it often seems like most Cardinal fans expect and so are content with 5-11 and 8-8 and get overly excited about 9-7 and maybe a Division Title once every 10 years.

 

[Duckjake]

We passed more than anyteam in history over the last 5 years and have the fewest rush attempts in history over the last 5 years,

And we've only had one losing season in those 5 years. Meanwhile we had five consecutive losing seasons the previous 5 years.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Should we just diss our team until we are perrenial super bowl title guys?

People will still complain even if that were to happen.

Some people will complain about the harp music in heaven.

Just how it is.

I cannot believe a thread that is titled to be about WR's is then knocked because people want to complain about everything that is not the WR's. Uh, look at the thread title. That is why it is focused on strictly WRs.

Cause if you want to open up the discussion the Caridnals have had some great DB's, DT's and o-linemen as well.

Heck an all-time Cardinal secondary would be one of the best that you could compile. You would have to make decisions like. Do I start Roger Wehrli or Aneas Williams......cause Night Train Lane is got the other side of the field. Then what ? Put Larry Wilson, and Adrian Wilson at safety ?

Good luck.

 

[Duckjake]

People will still complain even if that were to happen.

Some people will complain about the harp music in heaven.

Just how it is.

I cannot believe a thread that is titled to be about WR's is then knocked because people want to complain about everything that is not the WR's. Uh, look at the thread title. That is why it is focused on strictly WRs.

Cause if you want to open up the discussion the Caridnals have had some great DB's, DT's and o-linemen as well.

Heck an all-time Cardinal secondary would be one of the best that you could compile. You would have to make decisions like. Do I start Roger Wehrli or Aneas Williams......cause Night Train Lane is got the other side of the field. Then what ? Put Larry Wilson, and Adrian Wilson at safety ?

Good luck.

I think I get what you are saying but I'd have to disagree with this on the Secondary. The Cards have had one really good CB in the last 25 years and one good S since Larry Wilson, who last played in 1972, over the last 6-7 years. Most of our DBs haven't even been in the category with WRs like Frank Sanders or Steve Breaston.

Who do we compare PP21 to? Aeneas Williams who has been gone for 12 years?

I just don't think you can get close to the same longevity or depth of talent with other positions as you can our Wide Receivers. Especially since the start of Free Agency.

 

[THESMEL]

good point

I have enjoyed these last 5 years, I just thought we left a lot on the table, Passing so much is feast or famine. I don't think passing so much with young or bad QB's is a good thing.

The Niners did to us and the NFC exactly what I have wanted the Cardinals to do last year, I feel that we are a more talented team than the Niners, EVEN at QB!

I may be wrong, but just like the Leinart cut- We will never know - cause we were 24th in rushing attempts last year as a team. if we are good at passing I feel in my bones we would be mUCH improved executing a balanced game plan,

Rather than just blubbering about and not doing it repeatedly. Fired coaches did as much with less talent. And i'm trying to be an honest fan.

And we've only had one losing season in those 5 years. Meanwhile we had five consecutive losing seasons the previous 5 years.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I think I get what you are saying but I'd have to disagree with this on the Secondary. The Cards have had one really good CB in the last 25 years and one good S since Larry Wilson, who last played in 1972, over the last 6-7 years. Most of our DBs haven't even been in the category with WRs like Frank Sanders or Steve Breaston.

Who do we compare PP21 to? Aeneas Williams who has been gone for 12 years?

I just don't think you can get close to the same longevity or depth of talent with other positions as you can our Wide Receivers. Especially since the start of Free Agency.

Didn't know there was a time span for how far back I could go.

Cause if you don't think:

CB: Night Train Lane
CB: Aneas Williams/Roger Wehrli
FS: Larry Wilson
SS: Adrian Wilson

is not one of the best secondaries you could field......well, then your expectations are beyond HOF credentials. The only way you could get a big play best that secondary is if they all ran into each other when they converged on a pass. LOL.

 

[Goldfield]

Sell $9 beerz with $3 of head on them?

 

[Duckjake]

Didn't know there was a time span for how far back I could go.

Cause if you don't think:

CB: Night Train Lane
CB: Aneas Williams/Roger Wehrli
FS: Larry Wilson
SS: Adrian Wilson

is not one of the best secondaries you could field......well, then your expectations are beyond HOF credentials. The only way you could get a big play best that secondary is if they all ran into each other when they converged on a pass. LOL.

But you are getting away from the OP's take, though that might be what you had in mind. He was writing, and I agree, that, unlike all the other positions, the Cardinals almost always seem to have had one and sometimes two stud WRs. That's different from writing that we've had some great players over the last 70 years at every position. So in that context yes there is a time limit as to how far you can go back.

Just since moving to Arizona the Cards have had 3 different WRs named first team All-Pro, not just the pro bowl, but All-Pro. Can we say that about any other position?

 

[RugbyMuffin]

But you are getting away from the OP's take, though that might be what you had in mind. He was writing, and I agree, that, unlike all the other positions, the Cardinals almost always seem to have had one and sometimes two stud WRs. That's different from writing that we've had some great players over the last 70 years at every position. So in that context yes there is a time limit as to how far you can go back.

Just since moving to Arizona the Cards have had 3 different WRs named first team All-Pro, not just the pro bowl, but All-Pro. Can we say that about any other position?

OH!

Gotcha. Yeah, this doesn't apply.

But, to be a pain in the butt, there were a few years where the Cardinals DID NOT have good WR's. I forget the lineup the year before Boldin was drafted, but there is a reason I cannot remeber them. Yet, yes more times than not this organization has had some good WR's

 

[stewdog1]

No kidding. Sonny Randle, Mel Gray, Roy Green, Rob Moore, Anquan Boldin, Larry Fitzgerald. Heck even David Boston had 1,598 yards receiving one season.

Even some of our 2nd WRs have done well. Bobby Joe Conrad (led the NFL in receptions in 1963) Pat Tilley, John Gilliam, Rickey Proehl, Frank Sanders.

Compare that to the other skill positions QB, RB, and TE.

JT Smith, Gary Clark, That guy from the Tom Cruise movie...

 

[BigRedRage]

OH!

Gotcha. Yeah, this doesn't apply.

But, to be a pain in the butt, there were a few years where the Cardinals DID NOT have good WR's. I forget the lineup the year before Boldin was drafted, but there is a reason I cannot remeber them. Yet, yes more times than not this organization has had some good WR's

David boston, bryan gilmore and NATE POOLE!

 

[Duckjake]

David boston, bryan gilmore and NATE POOLE!

Don't forget that David Boston was first team ALL-Pro in 2001.

Rob Moore in 1997 and of course Fitz.

2001-2011 the Cards have had a pro bowl WR every year except 2002 and 2004.

Boston in 2001
Boldin 2003,2006,2008
Fitz 2005 and 2007-2011.

 

[Duckjake]

JT Smith, Gary Clark, That guy from the Tom Cruise movie...

Yessir! The Cards have been so good at developing WRs that they can even produce great fictional pass catchers.

It is a testament to how great the Q is that Hollywood featured him in a film 7 years before he was drafted.

 

[stewdog1]

Yessir! The Cards have been so good at developing WRs that they can even produce great fictional pass catchers.

It is a testament to how great the Q is that Hollywood featured him in a film 7 years before he was drafted.

He's a grown ass man.

 

[Duckjake]

OH!

Gotcha. Yeah, this doesn't apply.

But, to be a pain in the butt, there were a few years where the Cardinals DID NOT have good WR's. I forget the lineup the year before Boldin was drafted, but there is a reason I cannot remeber them. Yet, yes more times than not this organization has had some good WR's

True. While there was only 1 season, 2002, between David Boston being All-Pro and the Q setting rookie records there was a real dry spell from Roy Green to Rob Moore mainly because of the forced early retirement of Neil Lomax.

And that brings up this: With only a couple of exceptions you can tie most of our great WRs to one of our few great QBs.

Sonny Randle and Bobby Joe Conrad with Charley Johnson
Mel Gray with Jim Hart
Roy Green with Neil Lomax
Fitz and Q with Kurt Warner.

The exceptions are Rob Moore with Kent Graham and Jake Plummer
David Boston with Jake Plummer
Fitz with Anderson and Hall and then Kolb and Skelton

After Lomax retirement the Cards had 7 different QBs lead the team in passing before drafting Plummer:

Hogeboom, Rosenbach, Tupa, Chandler, Beuerlein, Kreig,and Boomer. No wonder we went 5-11 every year.

 

[stewdog1]

True. While there was only 1 season, 2002, between David Boston being All-Pro and the Q setting rookie records there was a real dry spell from Roy Green to Rob Moore mainly because of the forced early retirement of Neil Lomax.

And that brings up this: With only a couple of exceptions you can tie most of our great WRs to one of our few great QBs.

Sonny Randle and Bobby Joe Conrad with Charley Johnson
Mel Gray with Jim Hart
Roy Green with Neil Lomax
Fitz and Q with Kurt Warner.

The exceptions are Rob Moore with Kent Graham and Jake Plummer
David Boston with Jake Plummer
Fitz with Anderson and Hall and then Kolb and Skelton

After Lomax retirement the Cards had 7 different QBs lead the team in passing before drafting Plummer:

Hogeboom, Rosenbach, Tupa, Chandler, Beuerlein, Kreig,and Boomer. No wonder we went 5-11 every year.

Rosenbach's injuries are what really set this franchise back, I think. He had the ability to be an above average QB for years.

Beuerlein was also a wasted opportunity of the Buddy years.