One Word to Describe Josh McCown:

[kerouac9]

ESPN Page 2's "Snap Judgement", Week 3:

Eric Neel: In the words of Mike Tyson, "Bolivian."
Patrick Hruby: McBenched
David Fleming: Mc-I'm-Gonna-Get-Denny-Green-Run-Outta-Town
Alan Grant: Hungry

 

[CaptTurbo]

David Fleming: Mc-I'm-Gonna-Get-Denny-Green-Run-Outta-Town

Bingo

 

[Zeno]

Can someone explain the "Bolivian"? I am assuming the genius Tyson meant to say something else so its some kind of inside joke for Eric Neel. For the life of me I have no idea.

 

[This_Guy]

Can someone explain the "Bolivian"? I am assuming the genius Tyson meant to say something else so its some kind of inside joke for Eric Neel. For the life of me I have no idea.

After Lennox Lewis beat the snot out of Tyson in his last match everyone knew/assumed that Tyson would/should retire. Tyson was asked what his next step would be and he said something to the effect of "I guess I'm going to fade into Bolivian" meaning to say oblivian.

Let's just say that it wasn't a positive endorsement for McCown.

 

[Zeno]

After Lennox Lewis beat the snot out of Tyson in his last match everyone knew/assumed that Tyson would/should retire. Tyson was asked what his next step would be and he said something to the effect of "I guess I'm going to fade into Bolivian" meaning to say oblivian.

Let's just say that it wasn't a positive endorsement for McCown.

Thanks...LOL

 

[kerouac9]

After Lennox Lewis beat the snot out of Tyson in his last match everyone knew/assumed that Tyson would/should retire. Tyson was asked what his next step would be and he said something to the effect of "I guess I'm going to fade into Bolivian" meaning to say oblivian.

Let's just say that it wasn't a positive endorsement for McCown.

I'm pretty sure than Tyson meant "oblivion". But I'm also certain that the guy thinks in typos, so we're both right.

 

[Bobcat]

Bingo

No!!! It is "Hungry!!!!!!!" This kid is going to prove all you so-called experts so damn wrong. This kid made some throws last week that even Brett Farve would have been happy with. Guy's get a clue he is still like a rookie out there learning the NFL game.

Bobcat

 

[kerouac9]

No!!! It is "Hungry!!!!!!!" This kid is going to prove all you so-called experts so damn wrong. This kid made some throws last week that even Brett Farve would have been happy with. Guy's get a clue he is still like a rookie out there learning the NFL game.

Bobcat

Players with less experience than Josh McCown, but more 2004 wins, and QB rating:

Kyle Boller (2) - 67.1
Carson Palmer (1) - 60.9
Byron Leftwich (3) - 73.3
Rex Grossman (1) - 67.9
Ben Roethlisberger (2) - 77.4

All of these gentlemen have also completed at least one TD pass.

Like it or not, Josh McCown is a third-year player in a contract year. He's been training as the starter for six months. He's started six regular season NFL games. He's appeared in 15 of them. Lack of experience is no longer an excuse.

 

[Lex]

Hmmm...noticed Mike Vick is in "the bottom three" quarterbacks.

Interesting.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

No!!! It is "Hungry!!!!!!!" This kid is going to prove all you so-called experts so damn wrong. This kid made some throws last week that even Brett Farve would have been happy with. Guy's get a clue he is still like a rookie out there learning the NFL game.

Bobcat

which throws would favre have been with?

 

[Canuck Cardinal]

A pathetic o-line and an even more pathetic RB is the main reason for the poor performance of McCown....

I believe he has shown a strong arm with great running skills... he does miss some reads, but with no running game to support him and a mediocre O-Line (at best), teams are knocking the nuts of him.

I still see the pathetic output of our RB situation as the #1 issue, o-line #2... you see the same thing in Miami, except they are focussed on fixing the RB and O-line problem.
Until these 2 areas are fixed we will continue to see our QB and WR's getting malled, beaten and clobbered... when they're not running for their lives !

We have excellent WRs. Perhaps a young core that is better than 80% of the teams in the league. These WR's can make even a bad QB look excellent. But without the protection, support and game planning brought on by a successful running back... teams will smother our o-line with a pass rush designed to mall the QB while he runs for cover trying to find a receiver that is double teamed... we need a running back that can force a defense to (at the very least) pay some attention to the position.

 

[Bobcat]

which throws would favre have been with?

Deep throws to the outside with zip on the ball. Jake could have never made those throws. OZC wee you watching the game???

Bobcat

 

[Bobcat]

Players with less experience than Josh McCown, but more 2004 wins, and QB rating:

Kyle Boller (2) - 67.1
Carson Palmer (1) - 60.9
Byron Leftwich (3) - 73.3
Rex Grossman (1) - 67.9
Ben Roethlisberger (2) - 77.4

All of these gentlemen have also completed at least one TD pass.

Like it or not, Josh McCown is a third-year player in a contract year. He's been training as the starter for six months. He's started six regular season NFL games. He's appeared in 15 of them. Lack of experience is no longer an excuse.

But lack of an offensive line is...!

 

[Mulli]

Deep throws to the outside with zip on the ball. Jake could have never made those throws. OZC wee you watching the game???

Bobcat

I know for a fact that Jake is and was capable of fumbling three times in the red zone. And dropping back 15 yards on first and goal and taking a sack and fumbling, etc......Yes, I know Jake is capable of that.

 

[Djaughe]

.......Lack of experience is no longer an excuse.

Can having to learn a new offense count as part of an excuse?

 

[kerouac9]

Hmmm...noticed Mike Vick is in "the bottom three" quarterbacks.

Interesting.

Indeed... for Week 3. Check out Week 2's column to see how much difference a week makes.

The take on Josh in Week 3:

Dink and dunk -- threw 14 passes of less than 10 yards, only three of which were for enough distance to get a first down. How often can you throw to the safety valve?

You can track the progress over the season here. As of 9/21, Vick is ranked 20, McCown is ranked 34. According to this, McCown represents less value than such luminaries as Chris Simms, A.J. Feeley, Tommy Maddox, Tim Rattay, and Doug Flutie. Make 'em proud, Josh.

It should be noted that Vick does represent some value over replacement (3.9), while McCown--statistically speaking--presents a liability when presented with an average alternative (-6.9).

 

[green machine]

Players with less experience than Josh McCown, but more 2004 wins, and QB rating:

Kyle Boller (2) - 67.1
Carson Palmer (1) - 60.9
Byron Leftwich (3) - 73.3
Rex Grossman (1) - 67.9
Ben Roethlisberger (2) - 77.4

All of these gentlemen have also completed at least one TD pass.

Like it or not, Josh McCown is a third-year player in a contract year. He's been training as the starter for six months. He's started six regular season NFL games. He's appeared in 15 of them. Lack of experience is no longer an excuse.

Weren't all these guys 1st round picks, and top 15 picks at that? Not sure on Grossman.

Maybe McCown being a 3rd rounder will take a bit more time to develop. The skills are there, he's just more raw.

 

[SECTION 11]

nascent?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

nascent?

mcclown's 20-sumpin' years old jackass.

 

[kerouac9]

But lack of an offensive line is...!

Wow. The plethora of excuses for the poor performance of a single player is reminiscent of another fella... forget his name... used to wear #16 before that Navarre guy came in.

1. Inexperience
2. Poor O-line
2A. No running game

What's next? Poor coaching? No good recievers to throw to? Some of these are legitimate reasons, but only up to a point. The inexcusable fact of the matter is that Josh McCown has failed to find the endzone in three consecutive games. How long can the Cardinals afford to wait before they pull the plug?

 

[Mulli]

Wow. The plethora of excuses for the poor performance of a single player is reminiscent of another fella... forget his name... used to wear #16 before that Navarre guy came in.

1. Inexperience
2. Poor O-line
2A. No running game

What's next? Poor coaching? No good recievers to throw to? Some of these are legitimate reasons, but only up to a point. The inexcusable fact of the matter is that Josh McCown has failed to find the endzone in three consecutive games. How long can the Cardinals afford to wait before they pull the plug?

Thanks for stating the obvious.

 

[kerouac9]

Weren't all these guys 1st round picks, and top 15 picks at that? Not sure on Grossman.

Maybe McCown being a 3rd rounder will take a bit more time to develop. The skills are there, he's just more raw.

Sigh. Tom Brady was a second-year sixth round draft pick when he won the super bowl. Are you saying that a rookie ought to be expected to outperform a third-year played, simply because they were drafted high? If this is to be expected, why didn't we draft Eli Manning or Ben Roethlisberger? They're going to be better now, and they'd ostensibly be better four years down the road. Aren't you making an argument for drafting QBs high and starting them immediately? Because they're already better than veterans?

 

[Espo]

Has NFL-Europe been used?
How about Backup?

 

[SECTION 11]

mcclown's 20-sumpin' years old jackass.

What dictionary are you using? Because I think mine's right.

 

[green machine]

Sigh. Tom Brady was a second-year sixth round draft pick when he won the super bowl. Are you saying that a rookie ought to be expected to outperform a third-year played, simply because they were drafted high? If this is to be expected, why didn't we draft Eli Manning or Ben Roethlisberger? They're going to be better now, and they'd ostensibly be better four years down the road. Aren't you making an argument for drafting QBs high and starting them immediately? Because they're already better than veterans?

Being on an NFL roster but not playing makes you a veteran? By games-played standards McCown is just about as young as the other guys.

Tom Brady has a little bit of a better supporting cast around him, and also had better coaching to start his career than McCown did.

Of the younger QB's you named all of them are on teams that have some pretty good talent around them. Unfortunately McCown can't say he's had the same.