Orlando Hudson trade rumor

[82CardsGrad]

Man what a cynic. Young has been fantastic on defense, his bat isn't there yet, but I see no reason to think why it won't be eventually.

In the words of my Dad "you seem like a bad doctor, no patients"

Cynic? Perhaps... When it comes to using terms like "great", I am fairly reserved about when and where I toss around a term like that...

A-Rod, Jeter, Pujols, Ichiro, Ramierz, Cabrera, etc... That's "great"...
Justin Upton? Carlos Gonzalez? Chris Young? Carlos Quentin?? Please....

 

[HooverDam]

Cynic? Perhaps... When it comes to using terms like "great", I am fairly reserved about when and where I toss around a term like that...

A-Rod, Jeter, Pujols, Ichiro, Ramierz, Cabrera, etc... That's "great"...
Justin Upton? Carlos Gonzalez? Chris Young? Carlos Quentin?? Please....

Well if you can name me one MLB team that has a 'greater' OF prospects, especially in that number, I'd love to hear it.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Cynic? Perhaps... When it comes to using terms like "great", I am fairly reserved about when and where I toss around a term like that...

A-Rod, Jeter, Pujols, Ichiro, Ramierz, Cabrera, etc... That's "great"...
Justin Upton? Carlos Gonzalez? Chris Young? Carlos Quentin?? Please....

two words...great prospect. Obviously they haven't proven themselves on the major league level, but based on their performances in the minors, you could call all of them great prospects.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Well if you can name me one MLB team that has a 'greater' OF prospects, especially in that number, I'd love to hear it.

Honestly, I really don't have the time to scour other teams' farm systems... If you do, more power to you buddy!

 

[82CardsGrad]

two words...great prospect. Obviously they haven't proven themselves on the major league level, but based on their performances in the minors, you could call all of them great prospects.

I really don't want to drag this out any longer... However... what exactly have these guys done in the minors to warrant calling them great?? Upton was tremendous at the high school level, but as far as I can tell, he's been decent, perhaps bordering on "good" thus far in the minors. Same for Gonzalez. In fact, he's been worse than Upton in the minors thus far.
Quentin had one border-line great year in the minors back in '05, and it's been all down hill from there... Dramatically so.
I just don't see where you're coming from...

 

[Dback Jon]

But if Upton, etc were in pinstripes, they'd be the greatest prospects ever, right?

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I really don't want to drag this out any longer... However... what exactly have these guys done in the minors to warrant calling them great?? Upton was tremendous at the high school level, but as far as I can tell, he's been decent, perhaps bordering on "good" thus far in the minors. Same for Gonzalez. In fact, he's been worse than Upton in the minors thus far.
Quentin had one border-line great year in the minors back in '05, and it's been all down hill from there... Dramatically so.
I just don't see where you're coming from...

The feeling is mutual. Not sure whether you read azcentral.com, but here is the beat writer's take on Upton's performance so far this year...

"Best hitter: Justin Upton, Double-A Mobile. .318, 13 HR, 16 SB. His breakout season has made him baseball's best prospect."

Baseballs BEST PROSPECT. If you this that is decent, and bordering on "good" I'd love to see your standards for great. By any measure Upton is a prospect of the highest regard, and has some of the greatest measurables of any prospect ever. (When getting tested after high school I believe he had the fastest time ever in some of the speed drills)

Bottom line again is, we are a mid-market team with limited resources. We need at least 2 of these young guys to pan out so we can suppliment them with a big bat at one of the infield corners and on pitching. It's hard to imagine at least Young and Upton not being decent everyday starters, less stars.

 

[Treesquid PhD]

The feeling is mutual. Not sure whether you read azcentral.com, but here is the beat writer's take on Upton's performance so far this year...

"Best hitter: Justin Upton, Double-A Mobile. .318, 13 HR, 16 SB. His breakout season has made him baseball's best prospect."

Baseballs BEST PROSPECT. If you this that is decent, and bordering on "good" I'd love to see your standards for great. By any measure Upton is a prospect of the highest regard, and has some of the greatest measurables of any prospect ever. (When getting tested after high school I believe he had the fastest time ever in some of the speed drills)

Bottom line again is, we are a mid-market team with limited resources. We need at least 2 of these young guys to pan out so we can suppliment them with a big bat at one of the infield corners and on pitching. It's hard to imagine at least Young and Upton not being decent everyday starters, less stars.

It's pointless to argue this, you either get the whole player devlopment thing or you don't.

Keep in mind the Arizona Diamondbacks have spolied their fans by purchasing talent or trading for talent much more than developing it. This whole devlopment thing is new for a lot of fans and they don't get the whole idea that players develop over time.

Upton is consistently ranked in the top 10 as a prospect, so he is a great prospect, that is what a prospect is. Naming players who are established to compare minor league prospects to is about as far off as you can get.

 

[Gee!]

I think where 82 is confused is he named great players already on the major league level where as we are talking about a great "prospect".. Meaning, Upton as a prospect has a "great opprotunity" to become a great major league player like Jeter and them are right now.. But only time will tell.. So does Quinten and the others.. One year in does not spell doomm and gloom.. Other great players didnt make it on the first shot either..

 

[82CardsGrad]

But if Upton, etc were in pinstripes, they'd be the greatest prospects ever, right?

Upton shows tremendous potential. And if he was in pinstripes, yes he'd be a "great" prospect... Everything in NY is "greater", isn't it??

 

[82CardsGrad]

The feeling is mutual. Not sure whether you read azcentral.com, but here is the beat writer's take on Upton's performance so far this year...

"Best hitter: Justin Upton, Double-A Mobile. .318, 13 HR, 16 SB. His breakout season has made him baseball's best prospect."

Baseballs BEST PROSPECT. If you this that is decent, and bordering on "good" I'd love to see your standards for great. By any measure Upton is a prospect of the highest regard, and has some of the greatest measurables of any prospect ever. (When getting tested after high school I believe he had the fastest time ever in some of the speed drills)

Bottom line again is, we are a mid-market team with limited resources. We need at least 2 of these young guys to pan out so we can suppliment them with a big bat at one of the infield corners and on pitching. It's hard to imagine at least Young and Upton not being decent everyday starters, less stars.

I had not seen the report you reference where someone is calling him "Baseball's Best Prospect"... Got a link?
But as I said, he shows tremendous potential and of all the names you've referenced, he is By Far the best of the bunch...
I notice you did not comment on the rest? There is simply no way Gonzalez, Quentin or even Young can be considered "great", as in potential or any other context.

 

[82CardsGrad]

I think where 82 is confused is he named great players already on the major league level where as we are talking about a great "prospect".. Meaning, Upton as a prospect has a "great opprotunity" to become a great major league player like Jeter and them are right now.. But only time will tell.. So does Quinten and the others.. One year in does not spell doomm and gloom.. Other great players didnt make it on the first shot either..

Good points Gee... Hey, I'm a homer and so I would really enjoy seeing these kids pan out. Maybe they will. If I had to put money on them, Upton would get all of my cash and the others wouldn't get a penny...
I hope I'm wrong, but Quentin is a bust - period. I've been around baseball a long time, and he seems to have regressed back to at best double-A level... He's pathetic at the plate.
As a centerfielder, Young is better than solid defensively, but at the plate, he is a huge hole in the lineup... Virtually ALL successful teams over the years have always had a productive CF at the plate. Having a CF hit below .250 with less than 20 dingers is not what successful teams do...
Young has a TON to learn and even more to prove... Maybe he gets there. But by now means would I ever agree to saying he shows "great" potential.

 

[HooverDam]

but Quentin is a bust - period.

Anyone who says anything "period" is usually wrong I've found.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Anyone who says anything "period" is usually wrong I've found.

Would enjoy Carlos proving me wrong...

 

[Diamondback Jay]

Good points Gee... Hey, I'm a homer and so I would really enjoy seeing these kids pan out. Maybe they will. If I had to put money on them, Upton would get all of my cash and the others wouldn't get a penny...
I hope I'm wrong, but Quentin is a bust - period. I've been around baseball a long time, and he seems to have regressed back to at best double-A level... He's pathetic at the plate.
As a centerfielder, Young is better than solid defensively, but at the plate, he is a huge hole in the lineup... Virtually ALL successful teams over the years have always had a productive CF at the plate. Having a CF hit below .250 with less than 20 dingers is not what successful teams do...
Young has a TON to learn and even more to prove... Maybe he gets there. But by now means would I ever agree to saying he shows "great" potential.

Joe, I THINK I see where you're coming from here. Let's face it, "great potential" can only carry you so far, and honestly this team is more or less built on a bunch of players who thus far can only claim to having "great potential". Sooner or later, you're gonna wanna see that "great potential" become a reality rather than just sidebar chatter.

Add in to the fact that the ratio of prospects who pan out and live up to expectations versus those who flop miserably or fall considerably short of those expectations is pretty high in the favor of the latter, I can see your reluctance to give most of these guys the benefit of the doubt. Let's face it, as big of Diamondback fans as we are, we all can't be naive enough to think that every single hot prospect this team has are going to develop into All-Star caliber players. The probability of that is at best slim, at worst unrealistic. Can it happen? Sure.. Will it? Doubtful. Sadly, in most cases, for every one A-Rod or Griffey (hot prospects who wound up living up to expectation levels and in some cases SURPASS that hype) there's another 5-10 Brien Taylors or Todd Van Poppels. All we can really do as Diamondback fans is hope.

With that said, at this point it's WAY too soon to judge any of these guys. Sometimes, it takes 3-5 years for these guys to fully develop in to their Major League capabilities, sometimes it takes even longer. I've seen prospects flame out early on then suddenly for some reason have the lightbulb go off just when you thought their career was dead, and take the rest from there.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Joe, I THINK I see where you're coming from here. Let's face it, "great potential" can only carry you so far, and honestly this team is more or less built on a bunch of players who thus far can only claim to having "great potential". Sooner or later, you're gonna wanna see that "great potential" become a reality rather than just sidebar chatter.

Add in to the fact that the ratio of prospects who pan out and live up to expectations versus those who flop miserably or fall considerably short of those expectations is pretty high in the favor of the latter, I can see your reluctance to give most of these guys the benefit of the doubt. Let's face it, as big of Diamondback fans as we are, we all can't be naive enough to think that every single hot prospect this team has are going to develop into All-Star caliber players. The probability of that is at best slim, at worst unrealistic. Can it happen? Sure.. Will it? Doubtful. Sadly, in most cases, for every one A-Rod or Griffey (hot prospects who wound up living up to expectation levels and in some cases SURPASS that hype) there's another 5-10 Brien Taylors or Todd Van Poppels. All we can really do as Diamondback fans is hope.

With that said, at this point it's WAY too soon to judge any of these guys. Sometimes, it takes 3-5 years for these guys to fully develop in to their Major League capabilities, sometimes it takes even longer. I've seen prospects flame out early on then suddenly for some reason have the lightbulb go off just when you thought their career was dead, and take the rest from there.

Well said Jay...