Ossenfort and Free Agency

[bankybruce]

All that for a potential compensatory pick?

Teams do it all the time. While neither are great WRs, Moore is a better blocker and the gadget player on offense. I know some love Dortch to no ends and want him to be more than he is, but he's a returner who can step in for injuries at WR.

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[bankybruce]

Madubuike was a beast and is going to get paid big time.

Yeah, he's going to get paid and he appears pt be worth it.

 

[SECTION 11]

Please no to Calvin Ridley.

 

[slanidrac16]

DI JUSTIN MADUBUIKE
DI CHRISTIAN WILKINS

EDGE BRYCE HUFF

CB JAYLON JOHNSON

WR CALVIN RIDLEY

G KEVIN ZEITLER

I think Ridley might be gotten at a slight discount. Then we draft WR MHJ, OT JC Latham, DT Tyler Nubin, OLB Chris Braswell and CB Zemaiah Vaughn with our first 5 picks.

Jaylen Johnson will be tagged.

 

[TheCardFan]

He had 73 receptions, 8 TD and over 1000 yards as their #2 too.

Who was the #1 WR?

 

[Cardiac]

Teams do it all the time. While neither are great WRs, Moore is a better blocker and the gadget player on offense. I know some love Dortch to no ends and want him to be more than he is, but he's a returner who can step in for injuries at WR.

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I believe Monti will be very active in FA the next couple of years so comp picks will not be happening.
Moore has had 2 coaching staffs who have loved him so he must be doing something right.

 

[DaHilg]

Time to go shopping.

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Dak is a stat machine (largely bc of their scheme… still perplexed a few years back why they got rid of being a run first team in Zeke’s Prime and when that Oline was unstoppable?)…

With that said Dak is not clutch and is not a finisher. Never will be a winner.

 

[DaHilg]

DI JUSTIN MADUBUIKE
DI CHRISTIAN WILKINS

EDGE BRYCE HUFF

CB JAYLON JOHNSON

WR CALVIN RIDLEY

G KEVIN ZEITLER

I think Ridley might be gotten at a slight discount. Then we draft WR MHJ, OT JC Latham, DT Tyler Nubin, OLB Chris Braswell and CB Zemaiah Vaughn with our first 5 picks.

I love Ridley….amazing that he is 29 already though. Didn’t realize he entered the league at 24.

 

[daves]

Who was the #1 WR?

Kirk had slightly more catches and yards per game.

 

[bankybruce]

Who was the #1 WR?

They had Kirk listed at #1 going into the season. Kirk was hurt down the stretch and Ridley's numbers became more consistent. So maybe 1a and 1b is more accurate.

 

[bankybruce]

I believe Monti will be very active in FA the next couple of years so comp picks will not be happening.
Moore has had 2 coaching staffs who have loved him so he must be doing something right.

That's a good point, so then Moore helps off set signing players. Still value there.

 

[juza76]

DI JUSTIN MADUBUIKE
DI CHRISTIAN WILKINS

EDGE BRYCE HUFF

CB JAYLON JOHNSON

WR CALVIN RIDLEY

G KEVIN ZEITLER

I think Ridley might be gotten at a slight discount. Then we draft WR MHJ, OT JC Latham, DT Tyler Nubin, OLB Chris Braswell and CB Zemaiah Vaughn with our first 5 picks.

Is Bruce huff any good against the run?
His stats says very few tackles

 

[bankybruce]

Is Bruce huff any good against the run?
His stats says very few tackles

He's getting much better there.

Huff, however, is trending toward becoming an "every down" player as opposed to the rotational piece he's been. He was in on a run stop that limited running back DeAndre Swift to a one-yard gain in the first quarter on Sunday.

"He’s really improved with regards to the run game," said Saleh. "Over the last year, he’s really done a nice job to kind of force his way to first and second down, to get more reps in those opportunities. We know what he is in the pass game and, if he can continue trending in the right direction with regards to the run game, he’s definitely got a place."

https://www.si.com/nfl/jets/news/jets-edge-rusher-rated-as-nfls-most-effective

 

[BirdGangThing]

Who are the top WRs hitting free agency and who are the top receivers in the league on sucky teams

 

[Mulli]

Is this the model we want to follow, though? Yes, the Texans overperformed and made the playoffs, but if Joe Flacco and the Cleveland Browns bounce them by 20 points at home, what did you learn?

Bump for my friend, K9. The Browns learned that the football gods still hate them.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Teams do it all the time. While neither are great WRs, Moore is a better blocker and the gadget player on offense. I know some love Dortch to no ends and want him to be more than he is, but he's a returner who can step in for injuries at WR.

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Moore had 40 catches for 350 yards and a TD last year. He has 3 TD's total. He's much more likely to be out of the league than sign a big enough contract to trigger a comp pick. Regardless, we'll likely (hopefully) be in acquisition mode the next two offseasons, rendering any comp pick unlikely anyway.

Dortch is a better and more useful player.

 

[bankybruce]

Dortch is a better and more useful plplayer.

I know you all want this to be true, but it's just not. He's a decent returner and still makes iffy decisions there while being a poor overall WR. He runs bad routes, doesn't block well and for a speed guy can get separation down field. He's 5'7" and makes the most of what he has, but he's not a starting or rotational WR in a good team.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

He's 5'7" and makes the most of what he has, but he's not a starting or rotational WR in a good team.

:spidermanpointingmeme:

 

[bankybruce]

:spidermanpointingmeme:

I've said before that Moore isn't much better. Moore is much better blocker though and that IMHO keeps him on the field.

Listen, I'd love to be wrong and hope Dortch can prove me wrong. I'm the 5'9" WR who will never know because of an injury, so I love seeing the tiny guy make it. Part of the reason I root for Kyler.

#shortguysunite

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I've said before that Moore isn't much better. Moore is much better blocker though and that IMHO keeps him on the field.

Listen, I'd love to be wrong and hope Dortch can prove me wrong. I'm the 5'9" WR who will never know because of an injury, so I love seeing the tiny guy make it. Part of the reason I root for Kyler.

#shortguysunite

Hey - considering his injury history, maybe Rondale is your spirit animal! I have no further statements.

 

[bankybruce]

Hey - considering his injury history, maybe Rondale is your spirit animal! I have no further statements.

That is a fair closing statement. Let's talk this time next year and see who's on the playoff roster!

For the Carindals sake, I hope we're both right!

 

[slanidrac16]

I know you all want this to be true, but it's just not. He's a decent returner and still makes iffy decisions there while being a poor overall WR. He runs bad routes, doesn't block well and for a speed guy can get separation down field. He's 5'7" and makes the most of what he has, but he's not a starting or rotational WR in a good team.

Maybe not. But he is scrapper a good punt returner and at least makes defenses to keep an eye on him. Moore is much better than Dortch in one way… he’s a better dancer.

 

[GatorAZ]

Moore had 40 catches for 350 yards and a TD last year. He has 3 TD's total. He's much more likely to be out of the league than sign a big enough contract to trigger a comp pick. Regardless, we'll likely (hopefully) be in acquisition mode the next two offseasons, rendering any comp pick unlikely anyway.

Dortch is a better and more useful player.

Banky is dying on that hill just let him go peacefully.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

I know you all want this to be true, but it's just not. He's a decent returner and still makes iffy decisions there while being a poor overall WR. He runs bad routes, doesn't block well and for a speed guy can get separation down field. He's 5'7" and makes the most of what he has, but he's not a starting or rotational WR in a good team.

I think Dortch got much better as a return guy the back half of the season. I'd keep him there.

 

[kerouac9]

That we’re debating Moore vs Dortch should tell you everything you need to know about Moore’s quality.

Fine as a fourth or fifth option in 2024 but gone thereafter. Two coaching staffs have envisioned him as a deep shot option and then reconsidered before the end of training camp.