OT: Cardinals Draft Plummer

[RON_IN_OC]

Look familiar? LOL

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Jake Plummer was a good QB, he just needed the 10 other players on the field to be better than him for him to succeed.

....mmpsdhfd.....lOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

Guy had some of the best comebacks from his own shotgun blast type errors in the beginning of games, that I had ever seen.

I still remember him beating the Eagles with a prayer in the last seconds of the game.

Jake the Snake.

 

[Osbern61]

Jake Plummer was a good QB, he just needed the 10 other players on the field to be better than him for him to succeed.

....mmpsdhfd.....lOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

Guy had some of the best comebacks from his own shotgun blast type errors in the beginning of games, that I had ever seen.

I still remember him beating the Eagles with a prayer in the last seconds of the game.

Jake the Snake.

In most cases in the Philly area, Eagle fans I talk to always shudder at the name Jake Plummer.

 

[Harry]

The Cards really messed up with Plummer. If they'd have given him the weapons he deserved they would have been a contending team throughout his tenure. You can thank Dollar Bill for this failure!

 

[Catfish]

Jake was, and always will be one of my all time favorite Cardinals. He was truly a breath of fresh air, and he loved playing the game. For all his warts, he was special because he NEVER, EVER, quit in a game. He was in it to win it. He WAS and IS special in my heart.

Harry is right, the Cards gave him zero help, not even by way of a QB coach. Just imagine what someone like Montana's coach at San Francisco could have done with Jake. He WAS in charge and could take over a huddle and convince it that they could win despite the odds against them. He made going to SDS special-----both in college and with the Big Red. God bless him.

 

[HeavyB3]

Tango gets to have a new man crush on a Cardinals Plummer.

 

[DeAnna]

The Cards really messed up with Plummer. If they'd have given him the weapons he deserved they would have been a contending team throughout his tenure. You can thank Dollar Bill for this failure!

He had all the weapons in Denver - IIRC, they let him go after a few years.

 

[Russ Smith]

Jake was, and always will be one of my all time favorite Cardinals. He was truly a breath of fresh air, and he loved playing the game. For all his warts, he was special because he NEVER, EVER, quit in a game. He was in it to win it. He WAS and IS special in my heart.

Harry is right, the Cards gave him zero help, not even by way of a QB coach. Just imagine what someone like Montana's coach at San Francisco could have done with Jake. He WAS in charge and could take over a huddle and convince it that they could win despite the odds against them. He made going to SDS special-----both in college and with the Big Red. God bless him.

Allow me to nitpick. You do realize that one of the guys who coached QB's in San Francisco was a guy named Marc Trestman? The same guy that coached Jake Plummer until Jake got him fired.

We never had a "complete" team with Jake like we do now. But Jake played with Rob Moore, Frank Sanders, with Centers. We had talent on that team the problem was he turned the ball over so much and couldn't run a conventional offense. We hired Trestman to run the WCO, turned out Jake couldn't run that, we kept going through QB coaches until we finally let Jake go.

He went to Denver, Shanahan invented an offense to scheme around his strengths and weaknesses, and then even Shanahan decided Jake wasn't good enough, didn't work hard enough, and didn't love football so he moved him and went with Cutler.

Mike Shanahan was one of the better coaches of QB's in the NFL, he has made lots of QB's look good, his opinion was Jake wasn't the guy.

I think where we mishandled Jake was giving him that big contract, it cost us other key guys so we put a ton of pressure on him. We're paying you lots of money you better produce, and then expected him to carry a team that had lost key guys over money. They should have paid Jake less and kept some more of those key players.

But that's the NFL for you, the QB's often get overpaid.

 

[Brighteyes]

My favorite line of that era:

Jake Plummer: the only guy who can make everyone in the stadium say 'Oh my God' at the same time.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

He had all the weapons in Denver - IIRC, they let him go after a few years.

+1 billion.

Again, as long as the other 10 players are better than Plummer he can succeed.

 

[Buckybird]

The Cards really messed up with Plummer. If they'd have given him the weapons he deserved they would have been a contending team throughout his tenure. You can thank Dollar Bill for this failure!

He did deliver one of my fav Cards memory ever though as he punished my hometown team in the '98 playoffs

 

[TJ]

Plummer was a good QB by 90s early 2000s Cardinals standards. The problem is he was too erratic, had happy feet, and didn't exactly make the smartest decisions on the field. I remember hearing that Trestman had Jake run bootlegs to one side of the field or the other in an effort to essentially cut the field in half because he struggled to read defenses and understand plays.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I liked Jake Plummer at QB... and own one of his rookie jerseys with pride

 

[nashman]

As a sun devil and cards fan it's hard not to love watching a guy like Plummer play! It was never boring and you always felt like you had a chance no matter what happened. The cards were a different bird back then and dismantled the team after it won its first playoff game in forever! And jake had success in Denver 3 out of 4 years but had to face Peyton twice in his hay day and just got beat and lost to steelers in championship game it happens. He was not a conventional pocket qb but man I loved to watch the guy play he was so fun to watch! 3 seasons of double digit wins in Denver I would hardly say he didn't have some success there, I think shanny just saw Jake losing the desire to play NFL football, the guy is a different cat and had other things he wanted in life besides football. I'll never forget his play with asu or the cards!

 

[Harry]

I think Plummer's love of the game wilted under all the criticism. I would agree he had good receivers including Boston who wasn't mentioned. What he didn't have, once he became the full-time starter, was an O-line and a running game. After Lomas Brown gave way to Shelton in 1999 Plummer was usually running for his life. Joyce was the only above average lineman, but often played elsewhere than guard. It's not happy feet when the rush gets there at the same time as the ball. Murrel dropped from 1000+ yards in 1998 to 550 in 1999. Pittman couldn't even make up the difference.

I would agree Plummer was over-confident and threw too many interceptions. It seemed the Plummer was always trying to engineer 4th quarter comebacks, having caused some of that to happen.

I don't share people's enthusiasm for Trestman. He did fine when he had top quarterbacks, but IMO never elevated a medium QB to an elite one. He looked great when Warner was making the calls at the line, for example.

In the end I think Plummer had the talent to be a very good QB, but probably not a great one. His biggest fault was in the end he wasn't Joe Montana.