OT: Controversial ending to Lions/Bears game.

[dreamcastrocks]

This rule is the worst rule in professional sports right now. Calvin Johnson catches the ball with two hands, sits down, turns around and as he is standing up, leaves the ball on the ground; ruled incomplete. In comparison, if you are a runner, all you have to do is touch the goalline with possession of the ball for it to be a touchdown.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/...ll-in-Detroit-Lions-Chicago-Bears-game-091210

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Lions got jobbed.

 

[Bucaguy]

very crappy call..

 

[Cardiac]

very crappy call..

The call was correct so if you don't like the outcome then call it a crappy rule.

I watched that play live and I thought cool TD and then oh noo is that going to be ruled an incompletion. As I watched the replays I thought it was a TD until the rule was explained.

To me it's like the tuck rule, it is there for a reason but it goes against what my eyes tell me happened.

 

[TigToad]

If Johnson is not showboating and brings his arm in, as he started to do so, he never puts in on the ground at the end of that unnecessary 'windmill' move. He had it caught, but in the end zone you have to show control on the ground if you're going to the ground. It was obviously a catch, and it strongly appeared that the only reason he let it go was because he was showboating.

The Lions got jobbed, but I have a lot less respect for Johnson.

 

[Bucaguy]

The call was correct so if you don't like the outcome then call it a crappy rule.

I watched that play live and I thought cool TD and then oh noo is that going to be ruled an incompletion. As I watched the replays I thought it was a TD until the rule was explained.

To me it's like the tuck rule, it is there for a reason but it goes against what my eyes tell me happened.

There are too many rules.. Just let the them play football.

If this was Reggie Wayne and the Colts I have a feeing the call would be different.. but we are talking about the Lions

 

[MigratingOsprey]

absolutely idiotic rule .... by far the worst in the game .... every year a team or two gets burned by it

i'm pretty sure there was a pretty lengthy thread on this rule last year on this board

no way that wasn't a TD catch or that he didn't have possession while in the end zone

just flat idiotic

 

[dreamcastrocks]

The call was correct so if you don't like the outcome then call it a crappy rule.

I watched that play live and I thought cool TD and then oh noo is that going to be ruled an incompletion. As I watched the replays I thought it was a TD until the rule was explained.

To me it's like the tuck rule, it is there for a reason but it goes against what my eyes tell me happened.

I can't see any valid reason. If you are a runner, the ground can't cause a fumble. If you are catching the ball, you can gain possession with two feet firmly on the ground, but if the ball comes out when you hit the ground, it is an incomplete pass. These two lines of thought completely contradict each other.

absolutely idiotic rule .... by far the worst in the game .... every year a team or two gets burned by it

i'm pretty sure there was a pretty lengthy thread on this rule last year on this board

no way that wasn't a TD catch or that he didn't have possession while in the end zone

just flat idiotic

I wish it would have happened to Brady or Manning. You saw how Manning was able to change the umpire positioning rule.

 

[Cardiac]

If Johnson is not showboating and brings his arm in, as he started to do so, he never puts in on the ground at the end of that unnecessary 'windmill' move. He had it caught, but in the end zone you have to show control on the ground if you're going to the ground. It was obviously a catch, and it strongly appeared that the only reason he let it go was because he was showboating.

The Lions got jobbed, but I have a lot less respect for Johnson.

I don't know if he was showboating or just suffering from premature celebration. Plays like that are why the Lions and other perenial losers keep losing. Snatching defeat from the hands of victory.

There are too many rules.. Just let the them play football.

If this was Reggie Wayne and the Colts I have a feeing the call would be different.. but we are talking about the Lions

You may be correct, or does Wayne know the rules better and has a been there done that attitude that precludes the premature celebration.

 

[Duckjake]

Is this called the "Mel Gray" rule? I'm glad that it wasn't in effect during the Coryell years because that was one of my favorite Cardinal wins of all time.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I don't know if he was showboating or just suffering from premature celebration. Plays like that are why the Lions and other perenial losers keep losing. Snatching defeat from the hands of victory.

It didn't look like either of those to me.

 

[TruColor]

Is this called the "Mel Gray" rule? I'm glad that it wasn't in effect during the Coryell years because that was one of my favorite Cardinal wins of all time.

Wow. I can still remember that agonizing wait for the final decision on that ending. Just a crazy game.

 

[ajcardfan]

It didn't look like either of those to me.

Me either. He was just trying to get up. He rolled in the direction where he had the ball in his hand, and it came out in the motion of getting to his feet. In my mind, he was already legally down on the ground and had a TD. Had the exact same play happened in the the field, would that have been ruled a fumble? No way in hell. So, it was a catch, any way you slice it in my mind. The officials blew the interpretation of the rule.

The Lions are the new Cardinals.

 

[Kel Varnsen]

Me either. He was just trying to get up. He rolled in the direction where he had the ball in his hand, and it came out in the motion of getting to his feet. In my mind, he was already legally down on the ground and had a TD. Had the exact same play happened in the the field, would that have been ruled a fumble? No way in hell. So, it was a catch, any way you slice it in my mind. The officials blew the interpretation of the rule.

The Lions are the new Cardinals.

I agree with this.

They had Mike Pereira on the broadcast during the review and he kept saying something about the receiver trying to get extra yards...made it seem like the rule wasn't designed with the endzone in mind or something.

Feel bad for the Lions.

 

[D-Dogg]

Q and Fitz (especially Q) do that a lot, or used to. Catch, going to the ground and leave it there as they get up. I often thought Q would get a call against him doing it.

It's a very dumb rule.

 

[Pariah]

I don't like the way the endzone is treated differently under NFL rules.

It's maddening.

 

[Cardiac]

It didn't look like either of those to me.

Me either. He was just trying to get up. He rolled in the direction where he had the ball in his hand, and it came out in the motion of getting to his feet. In my mind, he was already legally down on the ground and had a TD. Had the exact same play happened in the the field, would that have been ruled a fumble? No way in hell. So, it was a catch, any way you slice it in my mind. The officials blew the interpretation of the rule.

The Lions are the new Cardinals.

He was in a hurry to get up and run around and jump and celebrate. If he simply takes care of business and secures the catch then he can celebrate.

I don't necessarily like the rule but it is the rule.

 

[Mainstreet]

I can't see any valid reason. If you are a runner, the ground can't cause a fumble. If you are catching the ball, you can gain possession with two feet firmly on the ground, but if the ball comes out when you hit the ground, it is an incomplete pass. These two lines of thought completely contradict each other.

Well said.

 

[Cardiac]

Is this called the "Mel Gray" rule? I'm glad that it wasn't in effect during the Coryell years because that was one of my favorite Cardinal wins of all time.

Wow. I can still remember that agonizing wait for the final decision on that ending. Just a crazy game.

Way way deep down inside a knew it was incomplete but I was screaming that it was a catch.

This is one time the Cards got the benefit of doubt on a call.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I don't like the way the endzone is treated differently under NFL rules.

It's maddening.

According to Mike Pereira, that rule is enforced all over the field. Yeah right.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

absolutely idiotic rule .... by far the worst in the game .... every year a team or two gets burned by it

i'm pretty sure there was a pretty lengthy thread on this rule last year on this board

no way that wasn't a TD catch or that he didn't have possession while in the end zone

just flat idiotic

What's "idiotic" is players not understanding and adjusting to the rule.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

What's "idiotic" is players not understanding and adjusting to the rule.

If there was a rule that stated you couldn't sneeze on the field, you'd expect players to adjust to this rule too?

Some rules are idiotic in itself and shouldn't require a change from the player. The rule should be changed.

 

[Cardiac]

I can't see any valid reason. If you are a runner, the ground can't cause a fumble. If you are catching the ball, you can gain possession with two feet firmly on the ground, but if the ball comes out when you hit the ground, it is an incomplete pass. These two lines of thought completely contradict each other.

A RB already has possession of the ball and when he hits the ground the play is over and ergo the ground can't cause a fumble.

A WR must show possession of the football throughout the process of catching the ball. The owners have decided that a receiver must hold onto the ball after hitting the ground. If that play was not in the endzone and the rule was not in place then it would have been a fumble.

I for one don't trust the Ref's to make judgement calls on whether it looks or feels like a catch. I want concrete rules in place so that the Colts or Cowboys or whoever don't get the benefit of the doubt calls.



I wish it would have happened to Brady or Manning. You saw how Manning was able to change the umpire positioning rule.

Manning wasn't the only one complaining about the rule, he was just the loudest.

And yes it would be naive to think that the super stars are treated a bit differently then the DA's of the NFL.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Manning wasn't the only one complaining about the rule, he was just the loudest.

And yes it would be naive to think that the super stars are treated a bit differently then the DA's of the NFL.

I understand the rule. You don't have to explain it to me. I feel the rule is unjust and against the spirit of the game.

 

[blindseyed]

I understand the rule. You don't have to explain it to me. I feel the rule is unjust and against the spirit of the game.

+1 terrible rule should be thrown out