OT Junior Seau - No drugs, no brain damage

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Junior Seau's autospy showed none of the brain damage that everyone in the media assumed he had.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lan...=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+lanowblog+(L.A.+Now)

The financial situation of retired players is the elephant in the room. IMO this post career depression that many players enter has more to do with going from making millions a year to making nothing and many of them not having planned for than inevitability... and for the NFL for having a pathetic pension system.
 

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Pathetic pension? They make millions... there shouldn't even be a pension.
 

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Pathetic pension? They make millions... there shouldn't even be a pension.

Of course they should, even if the player pays in a little bit every year, or takes a percentage and invests it into an NFL pension. However it's done, they totally need a better one. These are young kids, people forget that. They're making millions and spending millions--when they're not losing millions in bad investments.
 

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Of course they should, even if the player pays in a little bit every year, or takes a percentage and invests it into an NFL pension. However it's done, they totally need a better one. These are young kids, people forget that. They're making millions and spending millions--when they're not losing millions in bad investments.

Anyone know exacly what their pension pays them? I need to see the #s before I say yay or nay.
 

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Junior Seau's autospy showed none of the brain damage that everyone in the media assumed he had.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lan...=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+lanowblog+(L.A.+Now)

The financial situation of retired players is the elephant in the room. IMO this post career depression that many players enter has more to do with going from making millions a year to making nothing and many of them not having planned for than inevitability... and for the NFL for having a pathetic pension system.

I don't think money had anything to do with it. These guys know the career lifespan for a football player. It is not the NFL's job to make sure these guys plan appropriately for life after football. Meaning planning for a career after football, not wasting their money while playing football on 50 cars.

I think what guys face the most when they retire is no longer being in the limelight. No more crowds of 50k chanting your name, no more bags and bags of fan mail, no more 100 plus players and staff brotherhood that goes on in the locker room, and so on. It is why bands that go on retirement tours never actually retire, they don't know how to deal without the fan adoration anymore, they don't know how to deal with the "silence". Many people go through depression when they retire, not just football players. There were former football players who all came on to Mike and Mike in the morning after the news came out and all of them touched on the subject, and all of them thought that was something that a lot of football players go through but no one ever actually talks about. It is a culture of tough guys who don't want to talk about their feelings, especially Seau. It was something brought up by the most emotional guy who talked about it, Marcellus Wiley I think it was. Wiley talked about stories of Seau who although was injured would never go to the trainers room, and if he did he would make sure no one else was in there, because he thought it made him look weak. Wiley thought Seau did the same with his emotions.

It all comes down to this. They guy had major depression. It was not the Pension plan that made him do what he did. Even if the Plan was great because of his depression he would have just found another excuse. I know some will now start with the depression debate that happened the last time, but that is not the reason for my post.
 

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Anyone know exacly what their pension pays them? I need to see the #s before I say yay or nay.


This might be a bit dated, but:

According to former player Todd Christensen, the average payout to a vested retiree in 2005 was $14,500. Click on the 'NFL Pension' link to read his article.
The pension payout is based on number of years and when you played. There have been many changes to the collective bargaining agreement but to date the older players still seem to suffer. The payout is on a sliding scale ex... 230 dollars per month for 1st credited season, 300 dollars for 2nd credited season and so on. Keep in mind that you have to have a minimum of 4 seasons to qualify. When you do qualify you will begin to get your pension at the age of 55 until you die. You may pick different types of pensions such as a survivor benefit in which payouts would be decreased when you pass.


Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_average_pension_for_an_NFL_player#ixzz248ASocA9
 

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With regard to a "pension", why doesn't the NFL have some sort of 401K type plan? Lord knows the players make enough where contributing a portion of their salary to a retirement plan like a 401K shouldn't be an issue! :shrug:
 

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With regard to a "pension", why doesn't the NFL have some sort of 401K type plan? Lord knows the players make enough where contributing a portion of their salary to a retirement plan like a 401K shouldn't be an issue! :shrug:

Probabaly because they make so damn much money they dont really need a plan.. They should be able to invest on their own and be fine!
 

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he was a depressed guy. Couldn't sustain a relationship with women and it drove him mad. He simply wanted love.

He had money - was far from broke and his restaurant Seau's in San Diego was doing great.
 

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Probabaly because they make so damn much money they dont really need a plan.. They should be able to invest on their own and be fine!

Yeah, that's the biggest problem though... as mentioned before, these players are just kids, a lot of times. It's hard to be responsible with your money when so much is thrown in front of you. A good friend of mine plays in the league, and while he's more responsible than most with it, it took him until he realized he might not be there forever to start reeling things back.

There should either be much better education from the league, or a better pension plan.
 

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With regard to a "pension", why doesn't the NFL have some sort of 401K type plan? Lord knows the players make enough where contributing a portion of their salary to a retirement plan like a 401K shouldn't be an issue! :shrug:

401k's aren't a retirement plan. People think they are. It's going to be quite sad when reality hits.

But that aside because the real issue of this post is the rest of it.

The people are looking at the regular pension all wrong. Today's player, and Seau is a bad example as he did make millions, has been going up. The pension now versus twenty years ago has increased because of the pressure. Not to the former players liking in terms of enough, and of course the purchasing power would probably means they are about even to twenty years ago despite increases (maybe even less), but many of the vets who have been trying to change this for the past twenty or more years, played well before the million dollar salaries.

Today's players have a lot more explaining to do compared to those who played in the 60's-80's. Few in the 80's made tons of money, but some did. The average player made immensely less. That was the start of the big money. Even then some of the more lucrative at the time million dollar guys only made 5 million or so before tax on those contracts.

For example, the guys getting pensions right now, if you assume they were 22 when they entered the league, started playing in 1979. So the pension issue has really been about the guys who played from the 50's-70's...and perhaps earlier since to even be getting one now starting this year, you would have had to start playing around 1979.

Kind of weird when you think when they finally get the pension thing sorted out, it will be backstopping the million dollar players of the 90's and beyond, and not the ones who never made that. Unless they (older players) live to start getting better benefits at 80-100. But a guy who started in 1990 can't start collecting roughly until 2023.
 

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401k's aren't a retirement plan. People think they are. It's going to be quite sad when reality hits.

I actually said a "401k type" plan... You can think of a 401K plan anyway you want, but, it's a vehicle that can be used as a means to save/accumlate funds that can be later used during retirement... Certainly not as a stand-alone, but, I think if NFL players started contributing to a 401K, or something similar, at an age of 22 or 23 years old, by the time they hit 65 years old, chances are that there would be a significant amount of value in those accounts...
 
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Dont get me wrong, I am not saying the players themselves dont bear the blame for blowing their fortunes. But at the same time, as a young man making millions, I doubt they see that gravy train ending as suddenly as it does for most of them.

The NFL's handling of these guys once their playing days are over is pathetic. And between their extreme finantial change and, as someone else noted, the loss of the limelight, a lot of these guys have a hard time coming to grips that at age 33 the thing they've spent their life doing is over... and to come out of it broke, as they often do, must be stunning.

Not that concussions are not a problem, but I think its very en vogue right now. The real problem for these guys is the above discussion.
 

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and for the NFL for having a pathetic pension system.

Are you kidding with this? Pathetic pension system? You make literally millions of dollars or even hundreds of thousands of dollars and are too stupid to plan for your future and you want to blame Seau's problems on a pension system? Let me ask you, do you get pissed because police pensions pay them 66 1/3 of their salary for life when they retire? My God, this isn't the 40's, 50's, 60's, or even 70's when these guys had to supplement their income by getting jobs in the off season. With some of them, just investing their signing bonuses alone should set themselves up for life. And don't give me this "they're kids" crap. If you called them kids, rest assured they'd tell you they're "grown ass men".
 
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With regard to a "pension", why doesn't the NFL have some sort of 401K type plan? Lord knows the players make enough where contributing a portion of their salary to a retirement plan like a 401K shouldn't be an issue! :shrug:

Really? How about instead of blowing their money on bling, how about putting it away somewhere. Hell, putting 10% of their salary in a simple IRA will set them up for life. The minimum salary is $300K for rookies. 10% would put $30K in the bank in 1 year.
 

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With regard to a "pension", why doesn't the NFL have some sort of 401K type plan? Lord knows the players make enough where contributing a portion of their salary to a retirement plan like a 401K shouldn't be an issue! :shrug:

If it's a big issue, why not put a clause in the contract, or a requirement across the board that a percentage be put away for the future? Hell, I have had more than one job that required me to put a percentage of my salary into a retirement account. I had no choice in the matter.

When you're young, you're not always thinking about the future or how to best invest your money. While I am not a fan of my employer telling me how to handle my finances, it might be something that some people actually need. Just a thought.
 

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When someone wants to leave, sometimes they just leave. This world aint for everybody, I aint going all EMO but sometimes folks just aint dialed into the present. I hope that never happens to me, but I aint going to judge someone that came up with a clean autopsy. I still think it wasn't a finacial thing, but that's just me. I've heard other stuff on this topic but I won't post it, just wanna send aloha to him and his.
 

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For finding no brain damage: Meh. I'll wait to see what the NIH analysis comes up with. Something is tickling my brain about how they have to search for a particular type of protein that isn't readily identifiable, but I'm too lazy to look it up.

IIRC, the NFL does provide investment advice, including a mandatory financial class that all rookies must go through, plus a list of reputable financial advisers that have been vetted by the League.

Unless you want to take some of the player's salaries directly (like what JG suggested), there's not much else you can do. You've given them the tools to invest wisely. You've given them a list of financial advisers to talk to. At some point, it's up to them to actually go do it.
 

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The type of homes he lived in, did not suggest he was a man who lived beyond his means..
 

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Of course they should, even if the player pays in a little bit every year, or takes a percentage and invests it into an NFL pension. However it's done, they totally need a better one. These are young kids, people forget that. They're making millions and spending millions--when they're not losing millions in bad investments.

Not buying what you are selling.

When normal everyday people of the same age are finacially irresponsible they are raked over the coals for it, and they are far from millionaires.

These athletes already get preferred treatment, lets help out people that need A LOT more assistance before we start worry about the elite millionaires.
 

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I feel like "no brain damage" is BS. They are working with a mound of putty brain.

Depression probably isnt physically visible when looking at the thing. From what Ive heard, Seau was a fun loving, happy guy. All the way up to his death.

I have a suspicion this is a slight ruse to get people to backoff this "FB causes brain damage" cascade thats erupted this year.


I have no doubt playing FB rocked JR. and caused his suicide.
 
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