OT - Knicks working to hire Hornacek

[BC867]

The New York Knicks are working on a deal to hire Jeff Hornacek as their Head Coach. According to this article, Phil Jackson and Horny have mutual interest, but they have not begun negotiations on a contract.

It is interesting that Jackson had previously preferred someone with whom he had a previous coaching or playing relationship and familiarity with the triangle offense.

I wonder how Jeff's habit of whining to the Press about how the players are not doing what he's telling them to do will play in the Big Apple. I expect New Yorkers are going to eat him alive. I am surprised Jeff would want it.

http://www.nba.com/2016/news/05/18/report-knicks-hornacek.ap/

 

[Errntknght]

I keep trying to think of something about Hornacek that leads Jackson to think he is a good headcoach in the NBA. It almost makes me think that PJ has decided to dump the triangle offense... and that's beyond improbable, don't you agree? The triangle has no place for one PG and Jeff prefers two of them. It's more likely that Jackson wants Dolan to fire him and he wants Jeff for his scapegoat.
I suppose its possible that he regards Jeff's first year's record here as indicative of Jeff's capability but the atmosphere in Phoenix is so toxic that he couldn't function after that.

Some of you guys saw much more value in Horny than I did - what is your take on this situation?

 

[Sunburn]

I keep trying to think of something about Hornacek that leads Jackson to think he is a good headcoach in the NBA. It almost makes me think that PJ has decided to dump the triangle offense... and that's beyond improbable, don't you agree? The triangle has no place for one PG and Jeff prefers two of them. It's more likely that Jackson wants Dolan to fire him and he wants Jeff for his scapegoat.
I suppose its possible that he regards Jeff's first year's record here as indicative of Jeff's capability but the atmosphere in Phoenix is so toxic that he couldn't function after that.

Some of you guys saw much more value in Horny than I did - what is your take on this situation?

Are you sure Jeff prefers two point guards?

 

[slinslin]

Are you sure Jeff prefers two point guards?

It was his choice of system.

 

[Sunburn]

It was his choice of system.

Was it? The Suns acquired Bledsoe for peanuts. It was a good trade, but we weren't suppose to be any good still. We were suppose to be re-building. Suddenly, we found surprising success running with Goran and EB. Everyone thought "Hey maybe we found something!" After that, we were pretty much committed to a hurry-up rebuild and the two point guard system, but I'm not so sure this was Hornacek's vision as much as a product of the personnel he was given and circumstance. You think he wants to run two point guards in NY?

 

[Ronin]

I don't even think the Knicks have a adequate point guard, much less of having two point guards. I don't think he will run the two point guard system in New York.

I thought Kurt Rambis to the Knicks was all but done.

 

[Mainstreet]

I don't see how Hornacek is going to survive with the Knicks where everything is magnified and scrutinized.

IMO, he lost the Suns team in his last season here.

 

[sunsfan88]

I don't see how Hornacek is going to survive with the Knicks where everything is magnified and scrutinized.

I wondered this when I first heard of the hiring as well. Especially considering Hornacek's personality which is pretty much just completely laid back while hardly showing any strong feelings. I can't remember Hornacek ever actually getting mad during a game even once during his 3 years here and there was definitely plenty of opportunities for him to do so as well.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I was a big Hornacek supporter, but it is pretty clear that the players did not seem to think that they had to do what he said.

I keep thinking back to that Archie interview after he scored the winning shot, was it against Atlanta? He said the play was for Len, but he had already decided he was going to take it himself.

 

[sunsfan88]

I was a big Hornacek supporter, but it is pretty clear that the players did not seem to think that they had to do what he said.

I keep thinking back to that Archie interview after he scored the winning shot, was it against Atlanta? He said the play was for Len, but he had already decided he was going to take it himself.

I still can't believe that Hornacek designed a play for Len to shoot the game winning 3. I never thought an NBA coach would openly tank but that's about as close as it gets. I wish we kept him to finish the season, we probably wouldn't have those pointless wins and maybe could have overtook the Lakers spot and got #2 (we were tied with them for #2 at one point in Febrhary or March).

I can't imagine the backlash from the NY fans and media and the national media that Hornacek would get if he designed a shot for Robin Lopez to shoot the 3 for the game winning shot in the last posession of the game.

 

[BC867]

I don't even think the Knicks have a adequate point guard, much less of having two point guards. I don't think he will run the two point guard system in New York.

Actually, Jeff's system wasn't two Point Guards. It was two Tweener Guards.

It will be interesting to see, if they agree on a contract, what system will prevail. Jeff as Head Coach did not show the strength to dominate decision making. As Errntknght posted, what does Phil Jackson really have in mind?

I am still perplexed that any NY team would think that Jeff can prevail in the Big Apple. Look what they did to Randy Johnson. Fuggetaboutit. (I know that's New Jersey, but north Jersey is an appendage of New York City.)

 

[JCSunsfan]

I still can't believe that Hornacek designed a play for Len to shoot the game winning 3. I never thought an NBA coach would openly tank but that's about as close as it gets. I wish we kept him to finish the season, we probably wouldn't have those pointless wins and maybe could have overtook the Lakers spot and got #2 (we were tied with them for #2 at one point in Febrhary or March).

I can't imagine the backlash from the NY fans and media and the national media that Hornacek would get if he designed a shot for Robin Lopez to shoot the 3 for the game winning shot in the last posession of the game.

Tank. Yes. No other explanation.

 

[Ronin]

The Knicks will officially name Hornacek their new head coach this week, perhaps as early as Tuesday, with a press conference likely Friday.

Hornacek never got to finish his third season in Phoenix, fired in February with a 14-35 record (101-112 overall). Brown said Hornacek was a “sacrificial lamb.’’

“After two years of success, they made some very bad mistakes — either not re-signing key players [Goran] Dragic, moving [Isaiah] Thomas to Boston — then look at the playoffs this year and both are star players,’’ Brown said. “Then [Marcus] Morris to Detroit [where] he’s a starter and what do you get in return? Plus their two best players [Eric] Bledsoe and [Brandon] Knight both got hurt [this season]. The team gets off to a bad start. Unfortunately he was the sacrificial lamb. In my opinion, I thought he did a very good job.

http://nypost.com/2016/05/31/ex-knicks-coach-jeff-hornacek-can-only-fix-so-much/

 

[Ronin]

It's a 3 year deal for Horny.

Adrian Wojnarowski*‏@WojVerticalNBA**2m2 minutes ago
Sources on @TheVertical: Jeff Hornacek signing three-year deal as New York Knicks coach. News conference this week.

 

[Ronin]

New Knicks coach Jeff Hornacek and Jackson cemented their shotgun marriage during Friday’s introductory press conference, vowing to continue the triangle offense — with some tweaks.-- http://nypost.com/


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[Mainstreet]

I cannot figure out the Hornacek hiring in NY unless Jackson wants to mold him into the coach he wants.

 

[Errntknght]

You may be right about that. Jeff might do better there with Jackson being the real decision maker and Jeff carrying out orders. I could see him having trouble during games because he comes with no prior knowledge about how to make adjustments and counter moves within the complex triangle.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I cannot figure out the Hornacek hiring in NY unless Jackson wants to mold him into the coach he wants.

Or perhaps the rumor is true that Jackson has lost his power in NY and that Jeff was hired because Isiah Thomas recommended it.

 

[Mainstreet]

Or perhaps the rumor is true that Jackson has lost his power in NY and that Jeff was hired because Isiah Thomas recommended it.

I'm thinking this would not be a good thing.

 

[Mainstreet]

You may be right about that. Jeff might do better there with Jackson being the real decision maker and Jeff carrying out orders. I could see him having trouble during games because he comes with no prior knowledge about how to make adjustments and counter moves within the complex triangle.

Perhaps it has something to do with building around Kristaps Porzingis?

Hornacek was supposed to grow with the Suns but we know how that went.

 

[Phrazbit]

Or perhaps the rumor is true that Jackson has lost his power in NY and that Jeff was hired because Isiah Thomas recommended it.

I doubt it. Jackson seems like the type who wouldn't linger around for that silliness, he'd quit.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I doubt it. Jackson seems like the type who wouldn't linger around for that silliness, he'd quit.

Contracts and money might have something to do with it. I have no idea but there was a recent "report" circulating that Jackson's insistence on the triangle was a real issue among players and management and that led to a decision being made without his concurrence. If it's true, he won't be there long.

 

[Ronin]

BBALLBREAKDOWN ‏@bballbreakdown 28s29 seconds ago
Hornacek said he developed his offense using some of Cotton Fitzsimmons sets. Cotton was a triangle offense coach and Tex winter asst.

 

[Mainstreet]

BBALLBREAKDOWN ‏@bballbreakdown 28s29 seconds ago
Hornacek said he developed his offense using some of Cotton Fitzsimmons sets. Cotton was a triangle offense coach and Tex winter asst.

I don't think the Suns have ever ran a triangle offense successfully. There was a coach who tried it for awhile. Maybe it was Cotton.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I don't think the Suns have ever ran a triangle offense successfully. There was a coach who tried it for awhile. Maybe it was Cotton.

Cotton did and it was a disaster.