OT-Wild Card Sunday. 1/5/20

[WildBB]

Wow guys this is a game day thread not another argument about "who is what" thread sheesh

So what do you think about the no PI call/review and Clowney playing after knocking Wentz out the game on a cheap shot?

 

[AZfaninMN]

Thats fine. Why did we reach for Isabella though?

If we're going to gamble on projects...Metcalf made more sense.

Metcalf didn’t make more sense. He’s a big vertical threat. Our offense is ran on a lot of lateral movement, jet sweeps, screens, etc. DK 3 come drill was slower than a player like our 3rd pick Zach Allen. He also had 7 drops this year, which would’ve contributed to half our season total as a team. He’s raw and has upside because of his size and speed, but wouldn’t have been the same player in our offense as he is in SEA.

 

[Solar7]

And you need to not pretend there weren’t serious red flags about Metcalf at Ole Miss.

again there’s a reason a player with so much natural talent showed up to the combine with that body and put up those numbers and still was the 9th player picked at his position.

He didn’t “slip” if he hadn’t blown up the combine he might have gone in rounds 4-6. He did NOTHING at Ole Miss

Of course there were red flags. Where we took Isabella, it was absolutely appropriate to take a risk on a big player that played the spot that was a glaring need - outside receiver. Instead we took a small kid from a small school with a logjam at WR.

 

[b8rtm8nn]

Met calf is a perfect fit for Seattle the way Wilson just tosses deep balls up for grabs.

Schneider does a great job taking risks on athletes that fit the Seahawks, that is what good drafting looks like. He isn't always successful, but when he is, he strikes gold.

 

[Solar7]

I didn’t say anything about any other player, just Metcalf. But way to avoid what I said. Lol. He still did basically nothing in college & exactly why doubts about him existed.

it’s still year 1, but he’s done well for a rook.

He played alright at Ole Miss. I didn't mean to avoid anything you said. But he was a better fit for our need.

 

[Solar7]

They are two different arguments. I doubt anyone on this board wouldn't take Metcalf over Isabella right now. That doesn't mean that we have to act like the front office were complete idiots for passing on him in the draft.

No, the front office has been complete idiots about everything we've done in the past three years, not just this.

 

[Solar7]

but we didn’t and no amount of crying on an internet message board is ever going to change it. What do you want?

you know why we didn’t gamble on him? Because we just gambled on another freak of nature from Ole Miss who did nothing in college and was a work out warrior and lost.

"No amount of crying," sure, but how about we continuously talk about all of the players Keim has failed to acquire in his tenure?

Realize that Keim's in the bottom 10% or so of drafting in his tenure, now. He's hitting way less than average, he's hitting worse than other bottom tier GMs. We have zero young talent, and he chose to draft a slot guy when we already had two of them. This team is bad. You're just saying it's not a problem because you're a fan.

 

[SoonerLou]

Its not really Metcalf that irks me. Its AJ Brown, Deebo Samuel, Metcalf, McLaurin, Slayton, etc etc that do (yes passing up Murphy would have helped here)

We clearly lacked at the wr spot. So we didn't draft a dynamic wr to help our young QB and it appears so much of a miss that people want to spend a #1 pick on a wr.

Its the idea of having to address an issue that we spent 3 draft picks on already.

 

[Jetstream Green]

He played alright at Ole Miss. I didn't mean to avoid anything you said. But he was a better fit for our need.

We took Butler and in my opinion is basically the same player... but it remains to be seen with him on IR, but he has the goods to equal Metcalf

 

[DVontel]

Met calf is a perfect fit for Seattle the way Wilson just tosses deep balls up for grabs.

Schneider does a great job taking risks on athletes that fit the Seahawks, that is what good drafting looks like. He isn't always successful, but when he is, he strikes gold.

Their drafting honestly has been nearly as bad as ours the past couple of years, but Russ is such a magician that he covers it all up.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Metcalf didn’t make more sense. He’s a big vertical threat. Our offense is ran on a lot of lateral movement, jet sweeps, screens, etc. DK 3 come drill was slower than a player like our 3rd pick Zach Allen. He also had 7 drops this year, which would’ve contributed to half our season total as a team. He’s raw and has upside because of his size and speed, but wouldn’t have been the same player in our offense as he is in SEA.

He absolutely made more sense. Invisibella was utter nonsense.

 

[Solar7]

Its not really Metcalf that irks me. Its AJ Brown, Deebo Samuel, Metcalf, McLaurin, Slayton, etc etc that do (yes passing up Murphy would have helped here)

We clearly lacked at the wr spot. So we didn't draft a dynamic wr to help our young QB and it appears so much of a miss that people want to spend a #1 pick on a wr.

Its the idea of having to address an issue that we spent 3 draft picks on already.

Four if you consider the year prior.

We took Butler and in my opinion is basically the same player... but it remains to be seen with him on IR, but he has the goods to equal Metcalf

No he doesn't. He has no goods. He isn't a player worth counting on. We can blindly hope he gets it together and is alright.

I'm so confused, again. There's a kid who just had 58 yards receiving, and 900 yards in the regular season. Then he put up the most receiving yards of any rookie in the Super Bowl era. How is Butler "basically the same player?" Butler is a nobody, and Metcalf is one of the hottest players in the league.

 

[AZfaninMN]

He absolutely made more sense. Invisibella was utter nonsense.

Any reason in particular why you say that?

 

[Finito]

"No amount of crying," sure, but how about we continuously talk about all of the players Keim has failed to acquire in his tenure?

Realize that Keim's in the bottom 10% or so of drafting in his tenure, now. He's hitting way less than average, he's hitting worse than other bottom tier GMs. We have zero young talent, and he chose to draft a slot guy when we already had two of them. This team is bad. You're just saying it's not a problem because you're a fan.

omg just stop cause now your flat out making stuff up. We’ve gone over SK draft record till the end of time he pretty much is right in the middle when it comes to drafting and that’s the truth. Last I checked we got some young talent at the single most important position in football but yeah let’s just ignore that huh.

I am a fan but I’m not an idiot either. Great you called DK Metcalf good for you but guess what every GM in the NFL passed on him for a reason. So stop acting like this was such a sure thing because it wasn’t and it wasn’t a sure thing for a reason because there were serious red flags about this guy. Dude just drop it.

I’m glad your not the GM because you probably would of taken Dion Jordan to huh.

 

[DVontel]

Saints really lost to Case Keenum, Jared Goff, & Kirk Cousins in 3 straight years.


Disgusting.

 

[DVontel]

Saints really lost to Case Keenum, Jared Goff, & Kirk Cousins in 3 straight years.


Disgusting.

 

[blindseyed]

So what do you think about the no PI call/review and Clowney playing after knocking Wentz out the game on a cheap shot?

Haha thanks
Actually that should've been called but the Hags have a history of "no calls"

 

[TheCardFan]

Why did the genius Bill Belichik draft N'Keal Harry instead of AJ Brown and DK Metcalf. That was a 1st round pick.

I think there were 8 receivers taken before Metcalf. Go figure.

 

[Solar7]

omg just stop cause now your flat out making stuff up. We’ve gone over SK draft record till the end of time he pretty much is right in the middle when it comes to drafting and that’s the truth. Last I checked we got some young talent at the single most important position in football but yeah let’s just ignore that huh.

I am a fan but I’m not an idiot either. Great you called DK Metcalf good for you but guess what every GM in the NFL passed on him for a reason. So stop acting like this was such a sure thing because it wasn’t and it wasn’t a sure thing for a reason because there were serious red flags about this guy. Dude just drop it.

I’m glad your not the GM because you probably would of taken Dion Jordan to huh.

You keep saying he's the average in the league, but you haven't accounted for basically the past three years. We have been over it.

As we stand right now, there are 3 Keim drafted starters on this team from 53 picks. Maybe we re-sign Gunter and he kinda pretends to be a starter again. Maybe we re-sign Humphries. Maybe we awkwardly force Zach Allen/Byron Murphy/Haason Reddick/Michael Dogbe/The Thompson Twins to be starters, but not a one is a lock. Keim has been awful, and you need to go back and do the math if you think otherwise.

Most of his picks aren't even on the team, let alone contributing.

 

[Solar7]

Why did the genius Bill Belichik draft N'Keal Harry instead of AJ Brown and DK Metcalf. That was a 1st round pick.

I think there were 8 receivers taken before Metcalf. Go figure.

At least he took a fighting shot at an X/Y instead of drafting a small school kid to backup Edelman all year.

 

[GatorAZ]

Why did the genius Bill Belichik draft N'Keal Harry instead of AJ Brown and DK Metcalf. That was a 1st round pick.

I think there were 8 receivers taken before Metcalf. Go figure.

Belichick sucks at drafting.

 

[DVontel]

At least he took a fighting shot at an X/Y instead of drafting a small school kid to backup Edelman all year.

Nah because we all would be complaining about his lack of separation here too.

 

[Solar7]

Nah because we all would be complaining about his lack of separation here too.

I'll admit I wanted Harry. We didn't get a shot, and he hasn't produced in NE.

But taking a kid with a similar profile to Kirk wasn't a great move, and I doubt Isabella was coming off the board anytime soon. As SoonerLou said, there's a ton of guys who fit the profile of our needs and produced, whether that's Isabella or not. As it stands today, we swung and missed 3x on WR.

 

[DVontel]

I'll admit I wanted Harry. We didn't get a shot, and he hasn't produced in NE.

But taking a kid with a similar profile to Kirk wasn't a great move, and I doubt Isabella was coming off the board anytime soon. As SoonerLou said, there's a ton of guys who fit the profile of our needs and produced, whether that's Isabella or not. As it stands today, we swung and missed 3x on WR.

I was meh on the Isabella pick. I hated Harry in college. If a WR struggles to separate against PAC 22 defenders, that’s a big no no. Same with Arcega-Whiteside in Philly. I wanted Deebo more than anyone.

 

[daves]

I have a hunch we wouldn't be hand wringing so much about Metcalf if Butler would have stayed healthy this year. He has a lot of the same traits as Metcalf.

I remember these:

Metcalf:

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Butler:

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Samuel:

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