Pasquarelli: Bears want Boller

[Ed B]

Bears | Liking Boller - A Lot - posted at KFFL (http://nfl.kffl.com)
11:20 PT: Updating previous reports, Len Pasquarelli reports for ESPN.com the Chicago Bears have reportedly fallen hard for Cal QB Kyle Boller. The problem is, there is now a chance that Boller might not still be on the draft board at the middle of the first round. There is even a chance that Boller could leap-frog QB Byron Leftwich for the No. 2 quarterback spot behind Carson Palmer of Southern California, if Leftwich has a bad Pro Day workout. As noted, the Bears have called the Jets about a first round trade down


I've been telling you all along, Suggs will be available, we will take him, and you will all owe me a dollar!

 

[JeffGollin]

I've been telling you all along, Suggs will be available, we will take him, and you will all owe me a dollar!
Bears are rumored to be talking with the Jets to trade down. (Presumably Boller would be still be available at the later pick (#13?).

I wonder whom the Jets might want at #4? Could it be....

SATAN!!!!!!!!!!!

(or maybe Suggs?)

 

[CardinalChris]

Jets actually have Abraham, Ellis and Johnson (Last years 1st rounder). They want WR.

I still don't see Suggs getting past Texas..... They said Suggs is their man if Colvin signs elsewhere.... Not to mention Suggs in Dallas.......

I'll see your dollar and raise you a snickers bar!!!!

 

[pinnacle]

Ed B...I agree with you that suggs will be there...until the cowboys pick 5th (unless the cowboys trade out of the pick). I think tuna takes suggs..

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by Ed B
Bears | Liking Boller - A Lot - posted at KFFL (http://nfl.kffl.com)
11:20 PT: Updating previous reports, Len Pasquarelli reports for ESPN.com the Chicago Bears have reportedly fallen hard for Cal QB Kyle Boller. The problem is, there is now a chance that Boller might not still be on the draft board at the middle of the first round. There is even a chance that Boller could leap-frog QB Byron Leftwich for the No. 2 quarterback spot behind Carson Palmer of Southern California, if Leftwich has a bad Pro Day workout. As noted, the Bears have called the Jets about a first round trade down


I've been telling you all along, Suggs will be available, we will take him, and you will all owe me a dollar!

Ed, I'll up the ante, and pay you 5!!

I seriously don't think he will be there, even if the Bears trade out.

We still will have to worry about the Texans and the Cowboys.
I could see Suggs falling to us if the Texans drafted Kennedy and the Cowboys drafted Leftwich, but other than that I would say our chance is only around 25%.

 

[JasonKGME]

Possible draft scenario:

#1 Cincinnati - QB Carson Palmer
#2 Detroit - WR Charles Rogers
#3 Houston - DT Jimmy Kennedy
#4 Chicago - QB Kyle Boller or QB Byron Leftwitch
#5 Dallas - CB Terrance Newman
#6 Arizona - DE Terrell Suggs

Hey it's possible.

Or even:

#1 Cincinnati - QB Carson Palmer
#2 Detroit - WR Charles Rogers
#3 Houston - DT Jimmy Kennedy
#4 NY Jets - WR Andre Johnson
#5 Dallas - CB Terrance Newman
#6 Arizona - DE Terrell Suggs


I see a couple different and very realistic scenarios where Suggs could be there at #6


My list of who I would want:

Suggs
Rogers
Kennedy
Newman
Palmer
Johnson
Leftwich

 

[Ed B]

Jason, I could think of a dozen scenarios (all realistic) where we get Suggs. Of course one could also list many scenarios in which we don't!

Jeff, the Jets would never take Suggs, John Abraham and Bryan Thomas from UAB are already 2 undersized speed rushers at DE on that team.

 

[Ed B]

Originally posted by CardinalChris
Jets actually have Abraham, Ellis and Johnson (Last years 1st rounder). They want WR.

I still don't see Suggs getting past Texas..... They said Suggs is their man if Colvin signs elsewhere.... Not to mention Suggs in Dallas.......

I'll see your dollar and raise you a snickers bar!!!!

The texan offense was statistically (and on the field) the single worst unit in NFL history since the inception of the 16 game schedule. They <b>have</b> to take offense, IMO. They desperately need a target for Carr and I bet they go Andre Johnson. Jordan Gross is also a possiblity but i think he stinks.

 

[CardinalChris]

Originally posted by Ed B
The texan offense was statistically (and on the field) the single worst unit in NFL history since the inception of the 16 game schedule. They <b>have</b> to take offense, IMO. They desperately need a target for Carr and I bet they go Andre Johnson. Jordan Gross is also a possiblity but i think he stinks.

Agree, offense sucks, but Johnson won't fix that, and Capers is a defensive coach. They have no true pass rusher and think they may go WR or RB in the second and get a difference maker THIS YEAR in Suggs.

Not saying it wouldn't happen, but Dallas and Texans have got to see something else they love more than the quickest first step I've seen in a long time!!!

 

[CardinalChris]

Kennedy is low on my list... I keep hearing how good he is, if his stamina holds up. I'd rather have a motor guy with quicks like Robertson than the "potential dominator if he can play an entire game" like Kennedy

 

[Ed B]

Originally posted by CardinalChris
They have no true pass rusher and think they may go WR or RB in the second and get a difference maker THIS YEAR in Suggs.

What "difference" will Suggs's pass rush make if the offense continues to score 9 points a game?

 

[CardinalChris]

Originally posted by Ed B
What "difference" will Suggs's pass rush make if the offense continues to score 9 points a game?

Receivers normally ake 2-3 years to contribute. Drafting Johnson will not make their offense great. A guy like Suggs can come in and add instant pass rush. No developmental time needed. Remember the coach and his past teams. Defense defense defense. I garauntee Capers feels like Gaffney, Miller and Carr need time to improve. They are young on offense. They are old and expensive on defense. Capers sees Suggs as a guy who can change the game, no matter what side of the ball. You score 9? Only give up 7. Suggs then a guy like Fargas or Johson at RB in the second. Young RB, WR, TE and QB. and one hell of a 3-4 pass rusher.

Of course this is my opinion, and it has been supported by some reports I have read, it may not happen. I just don't think Houston is "for sure going offense because they sucked last year"

 

[BACH]

Originally posted by CardinalChris
They have no true pass rusher and think they may go WR or RB in the second and get a difference maker THIS YEAR in Suggs.

Yeah, but the Texans are playing a 3-4. Suggs is a 4-3 end. Kennedy and Robertson would make bigger impact for the Texans IMO.

 

[Ed B]

Originally posted by CardinalChris
Of course this is my opinion, and it has been supported by some reports I have read, it may not happen. I just don't think Houston is "for sure going offense because they sucked last year"

Well, however negative you want to make that argument sound, I think it's absolutely true. They won 4 lousy games and one of them was because they scored 3 defensive touchdowns. They also had a game in which they had 33 yards passing, 11 rushing.

They are absolutely devoid of talent at the skill positions and have not addressed that at all in free agency. A WR may take 2-3 years to develop but you have to start that process at some point because right now all they have on the roster is #3 wideout types. Maybe #2 at best for a guy like Gaffney.

I simply don't see how any realistic evaluation of your own team could lead to the Texans front office saying "well our offense averaged 2.7 yards per rush, but let's take a defensive player".

There is just no way that the defense could be good enough with Suggs to compensate for how bad the offense will be again, and I'm sorry but grabbing Justin Fargas in round 2 ain't going to fix that disaster.

 

[pinnacle]

I am with Ed on this one..although I disagree that Dallas will pass on suggs.. Of all of the teams in the NFL..houston seems to (as of right now) taking the longest term approach. I think this is a change of strategy since the expansion draft - when they took a bunch of older guys with big contracts. Houston has a bunch of room under the salary cap and seems in no hurry to spend it. The rumor is that they will only consider young guys. Due to the fact that they are an expansion team - the fans will give the team a few years before they stop buying season tickets..and ownership will give the coach a few years.. They have way less pressure to win now than any other team in the NFL..

I think they have to develop some offensive talent 1st and foremost (other than qb)..and they have the time to do so. The other option for them at the early pick would be to trade down if they are going offensive line..but I do not think they will draft suggs if he is there and they keep the pick. THey will probably prove me wrong and take suggs..but signals now point to other needs.

I still do not think tuna will pass on suggs if keeps takes the pick.

 

[CardinalChris]

Originally posted by BACH
Yeah, but the Texans are playing a 3-4. Suggs is a 4-3 end. Kennedy and Robertson would make bigger impact for the Texans IMO.

You are right, Suggs would be a 3-4 rush LB, not an end.

I'm not saying I would draft DE if I were the Texans, just that Don Capers will go DE in the draft. Again, I've also read aper quotes backing this up. of course now I can't find the damn link to show on the board, so I offer it with a grain of salt.

 

[kerouac9]

I think we're forgetting that the Texans still don't have a legitimate OLT. I think their entire offense will improve if the draft a LT in Round 1 and protect their single most important player: David Carr. He was getting KILLED last year.

Can you imagine anyone in the Houston training facility being able to look #8 in the eye if the DON'T draft a starter at LT in April?

Also, look for the Texans to draft a QB prospect in the late rounds of the Draft. Looking as ESPN.com's roster listing, there's no other QBs besides Carr on the roster.

 

[CardinalChris]

So when you start looking at trade in, likely teams will trade up for a pure pass rusher for Suggs.

 

[RonF]

Originally posted by Ed B
What "difference" will Suggs's pass rush make if the offense continues to score 9 points a game?

Simple, we hold the other team to six points.

 

[Ed B]

Originally posted by CardinalChris


I'm not saying I would draft DE if I were the Texans, just that Don Capers will go DE in the draft. Again, I've also read aper quotes backing this up.

Oh, coach/GM words are worth the paper they're printed on at this time of year!

 

[CardinalChris]

Yeah, there's enough smoke to make you think you are hanging out with Snoop Dog at this point. That's why message boards are fun!!!!!

 

[DevonCardsFan]

I really see the Texans tradind down a few spots and yaking Gross, the team really needs to protect there investment.

Terrell Suggs I believe will drop significantly before the draft, thats why you hear so many positive things said about the Cards coming from Suggs, he does not want to fall past 6. I see Suggs being ranked a little higher than Dwight Freeney, in the past couple of drafts guys like Kalimba Edwards, etc, all dropped because of there size.

 

[Cardiac]

For those who want to trade up for Suggs it looks like the Texans are our best bet. They do need help on offense and since McGahee was hurt no player on O (Rodgers to Lions) is worth the 3rd pick in the draft. It probably won't cost us much to move from 6th to 3rd since the Texans could then trade down again and still get the WR or OT they need. Of course this means the Bengals don't want Suggs or trade with someone who does.

Anyone who wants to trade with the Texans, Bears or Cowboys will either be after Suggs or a QB. I can't see the Jet's trading up for Johnson and of course not a QB. They will want a DT if they do trade up.

 

[BACH]

Originally posted by Cardiac
It probably won't cost us much to move from 6th to 3rd since the Texans could then trade down again and still get the WR or OT they need.

And Houston is probable the only team that would have a interest in Thomas Jones, though minimal, so you can unload him to lower the price. We've had this discussion before, but IMO it would only take our 3rd and Jones to swap with Houston.

 

[Cardiac]

Originally posted by BACH
And Houston is probable the only team that would have a interest in Thomas Jones, though minimal, so you can unload him to lower the price. We've had this discussion before, but IMO it would only take our 3rd and Jones to swap with Houston.

I finally agree with a TJ trade idea and what he is worth. He might just be enough to make a 3rd rd pick enough.