Per VP of NFL Officiating: NO Pass Interference on Hood, Ref for Superbowl Announced

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I still have a question:

lets assume that as the ball came down, it contacted the Eagle player. Does that effectively create an "in bounds" free kick? Meaning -- it could go out of bounds after that and not be a penalty.

If so, would it then matter if it touched the Eagle player while he had a foot out of bounds? It seems it shouldnt.
 

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I still have a question:

lets assume that as the ball came down, it contacted the Eagle player. Does that effectively create an "in bounds" free kick? Meaning -- it could go out of bounds after that and not be a penalty.

If so, would it then matter if it touched the Eagle player while he had a foot out of bounds? It seems it shouldnt.

That was the actual ruling on the field -- that it hit the player and then went out of bounds. Hence the ball was Eagles ball at the point it went out of bounds. Pereira said that that call was made by the line judge who was behind the play, and that it appeared to be wrong.

It looks as if the ball may have brushed Abiamiri with his foot on the line on the rebound, in which case it should have been Eagles ball at the 40. If it didn't touch Abiamiri, it should have been Cardinals ball at the 26. Either way, the officiating crew got it wrong, but couldn't review it because it became a dead play once they ruled it went out of bounds.
 

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I think if the ball came down and touched the player while he was in bounds the ball is live and in play until it goes OB or recovered. If it touched the player while he was OB its an automatic penalty at the 40.
It was ruled that it touched the player while coming down. So it should have been in play. But it also wasn't ruled a penalty. So I think the refs thought the ball was in play but caught the player on its way up, by then he was OB so they marked it right there.

However I think its a moot point because the refs called it OB and ruled the play dead and unreviewable. I don't see a case where it could have been reviewable unless the linesman doesn't blow the whistle. I think the Eagles caught a break because if the linesman didn't blow the whistle the ball would have been ours.

But then again there has to be enough evidence to overturn the ruling which I don't see clearly. But if it was our ball A. Reid would have been the one to challenge and overturn the call instead of Whiz. So it would have been our call.

On the pass interference play. The penalty could have been called and there would have been nothing we could do about it. I don't think pass interference plays are reviewable since they are judgement plays.
 
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See that was the point with the Kickoff out of bounds. The official that made the call made no sense because, ok let me explain what he did step by step.

He watched the play and:

1) Threw a flag for "kickoff out of bounds"

but, then:

2) His ruling was that the eagle guy touched the ball and then it went out of bounds, which is not a penalty, so what was the flag for?

That's why when they explained it on the field I was like, WHAT? If his ruling was that the Eagle dude touched it and THEN it went out of bounds, why did he throw a flag?

The referee did the best he could to make it right, he recognized the contradiction and picked up the flag, but it was still not a reviewable play so that was the best he could do.

People make mistakes, hopefully the Refs in the superbowl can avoid brain farts.
 

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See that was the point with the Kickoff out of bounds. The official that made the call made no sense because, ok let me explain what he did step by step.

He watched the play and:

1) Threw a flag for "kickoff out of bounds"

but, then:

2) His ruling was that the eagle guy touched the ball and then it went out of bounds, which is not a penalty, so what was the flag for?

That's why when they explained it on the field I was like, WHAT? If his ruling was that the Eagle dude touched it and THEN it went out of bounds, why did he throw a flag?

The referee did the best he could to make it right, he recognized the contradiction and picked up the flag, but it was still not a reviewable play so that was the best he could do.

People make mistakes, hopefully the Refs in the superbowl can avoid brain farts.

No no... The official ruling was that the eagles player touched the WHILE stepping out of bounds at the SAME TIME... Therefore, the ball was dead and spotted where the eagles player stepped out of bounds while touching the ball...
Of course, the replay clearly shows he didn't touch the ball at all, and if he did in the moment the ref thought he did, he wasn't yet out of bounds at that moment... Which means, they ROYALLY screwed up! :bang:
 
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No no... The official ruling was that the eagles player touched the WHILE stepping out of bounds at the SAME TIME... Therefore, the ball was dead and spotted where the eagles player stepped out of bounds while touching the ball...
Of course, the replay clearly shows he didn't touch the ball at all, and if he did in the moment the ref thought he did, he wasn't yet out of bounds at that moment... Which means, they ROYALLY screwed up! :bang:

Really, so wth did he throw a flag for?

man, how many times can you screw up one call?

/ban referee
 

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Really, so wth did he throw a flag for?

man, how many times can you screw up one call?

/ban referee

One official thought the ball went out of bounds until another official overruled him. The play was a mess and I'm sure it will be looked into for future rules meetings (meaning they'll likely extend replay to include out of bounds plays).
 

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Really, so wth did he throw a flag for?

man, how many times can you screw up one call?

/ban referee

He threw the falg because he thought he saw the ball hit out of bounds... On kick offs, that a big no-no and a 15 yard penalty....
 

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I think if the ball came down and touched the player while he was in bounds the ball is live and in play until it goes OB or recovered. If it touched the player while he was OB its an automatic penalty at the 40.
It was ruled that it touched the player while coming down. So it should have been in play. But it also wasn't ruled a penalty. So I think the refs thought the ball was in play but caught the player on its way up, by then he was OB so they marked it right there.

However I think its a moot point because the refs called it OB and ruled the play dead and unreviewable. I don't see a case where it could have been reviewable unless the linesman doesn't blow the whistle. I think the Eagles caught a break because if the linesman didn't blow the whistle the ball would have been ours.

But then again there has to be enough evidence to overturn the ruling which I don't see clearly. But if it was our ball A. Reid would have been the one to challenge and overturn the call instead of Whiz. So it would have been our call.

On the pass interference play. The penalty could have been called and there would have been nothing we could do about it. I don't think pass interference plays are reviewable since they are judgement plays.

OK, this is a little confusing. There is a part in the movie The Caine Mutiny where Humphrey Bogart's character says that there is "the right way, the wrong way, the Navy way, and my way." Well, in this case, there is what the line judge thought happened, what was called, what should have been called, and what actually happened.

What the line judge thought happened was that Abiamiri touched the ball as it was coming down and that the ball landed out of bounds. The ball is then dead, and the play over. From that point on, nothing can be reviewed because the play is dead, and, presumably, players play to the whistle.

What the replay shows is that the ball may or may not have touched Abiamiri on the way down, but it clearly landed inbounds when it touched the ground. The ball then bounced with a backspin back onto the field, where it may or may not have grazed Abiamiri again.

One thing seems pretty clear, and that is the ball did not ever land out of bounds. So let's build that into our assumptions -- the ball stayed inbounds. So, the questions are how many times, if any, did Abiamiri touch the ball, and when did he touch it. If he touched it the first time but not the second, it should have been Cardinals ball at the 26. If he touched it the second time but not the first, it should have been Eagles ball at the 40. If he touched it both times, God help us all, because I think that the Eagles should have gotten the ball at the 26 -- which is exactly what happened. Despite the fact that the officiating crew totally screwed the pooch, the right end result might have occurred.

OK, this is way too much thinking for this late at night. Good night.
 
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He threw the falg because he thought he saw the ball hit out of bounds... On kick offs, that a big no-no and a 15 yard penalty....

No I understand the kickoff out of bounds penalty. I just dont understand why he threw the flag but what he ruled that the guy touched it first, because then it's NOT a penalty..

lol, I guess he was overruled like Ash said.. oh well it is what it is I guess
 

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One of the ironies here is that fans are calling for replay review when replay wouldn't have really helped, since nobody seems to be able to agree on what they see.

It's disappointing that in an NFC Championship game we only had two camera angles on the play, apparently. An opposite field angle would have been pretty useful.
 

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It looks as if the ball may have brushed Abiamiri with his foot on the line on the rebound, in which case it should have been Eagles ball at the 40. .

I dont think so.

Again, lets assume that Abiamiri touched the ball on the way down with both feet in bounds ( as it appears on video).

At this point, its a live ball in- bounds --- the kick out of bounds rules no longer apply.

So -- does the act of touching but not possessing a live in bounds ball while a piece of you is out of bounds award possession?
 

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Should I be suspicious that all the videos on NFL.com are currently not working?

Methinks a coverup they don't want us to know that no PI is the right call and that they blew the KO play they want us to think the Cards got lucky.

:D
 

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I dont think so.

Again, lets assume that Abiamiri touched the ball on the way down with both feet in bounds ( as it appears on video).

At this point, its a live ball in- bounds --- the kick out of bounds rules no longer apply.

So -- does the act of touching but not possessing a live in bounds ball while a piece of you is out of bounds award possession?

If it hit Abiamiri on the way down, then it should have been Cardinals ball at the 26. Pereira said at 4:13 in the clip that he didn't think that Abiamiri touched the ball on the way down. Then he said that one thing that was clear is that the ball did not hit out of bounds. Then the ball hits Abiamiri at 3:04 in the clip while he is on the line. It's pretty clear that the ball is in bounds and hits Abiamiri on the bounce (I think). So the only question was whether Abiamiri touched it the first time.

I think I erred in an earlier post when I wrote that it should be Eagles ball at the 26 if that were the case. If he touched it both times, it should have been Cardinals ball at the 26. Whatever the case, the point where the officials erred was when they ruled that the ball was out of bounds. But even knowing that that ruling was wrong doesn't resolve who should have had the ball, and where.

Too bad we don't have do overs in the NFL.
 

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Should I be suspicious that all the videos on NFL.com are currently not working?

Methinks a coverup they don't want us to know that no PI is the right call and that they blew the KO play they want us to think the Cards got lucky.

:D

Videos work for me, but it takes like 5-10 minutes to load there. It sucks.
 
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