Peter Vescey article on Marbury & Suns

Joe Mama

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Looks like Peter Vecsey and other media members are looking to stir the shitpot. I do believe there is probably some validity to the rumors of Amare Stoudemire's feelings about Marbury's ball domination. I'm not sure I really believe that Shawn Marion was complaining. I actually think it was probably the coaches and management who are troubled the most by the game with Marbury at point guard.

http://www.nypost.com/sports/knicks/44827.htm

NO FAVORITE SUN

January 13, 2004 -- HOOP DU JOUR

SEVERING $119 million from Phoenix' burnt books by exporting Stephon Marbury (and throw-in Penny Hardaway, whose near-perfect production in two straight games is sheer throwback) to New York apparently isn't enough to justify suitcasing the season before it's half over.

A week after deciding the team couldn't realistically compete for the top five spots in the Western Conference any time soon, the motives mount for the Suns' dumping of their trophy guard three months after joyfully extending his contract five years for $76M.

According to those hooked up, piped in and wired to the organization, there were other vital signs factored into Marbury's migration than purely regaining a grip on excessive spending and being undermanned.

In alphabetical odor, Amare Stoudemire's infamous mother allegedly felt her son's development was impeded by Marbury's ball domination; Stephon was dealt before she had a chance to figure out how to blame him for Amare's flagrantly delinquent defense.

Marbury's one-way ticket to fly supposedly was enhanced by the growing grumble of other teammates regarding the degree of difficulty of playing with him. Nothing new about this complaint; we heard it in New Jersey.



Ballers know it ain't easy trying to harmonize with members of Over-Dribblers Anonymous. I defy anyone to get off and stay smokin' for a whole game as Allen Iverson's backup scorer; see Jerry Stackhouse, Larry Hughes, Tim Thomas, Matt Harpring, Keith Van Horn and Glenn Robinson.

It's not as if Marbury's stone selfish or conceited; he's simply convinced the ball is better off in his shooting hand.

It's not as if Marbury won't pass - except when his team is losing on a regular basis. That's when Marbury's at his worst, trying to do everything by himself. And when that doesn't work, he goes into a funk.

That's what was happening in Phoenix, claims a forward observer. But not only to Marbury, whose dip in passion had management looking at him funny. The more the Suns drooped in the standings the more their effort wilted, not only under deposed coach Frank Johnson, but replacement Mike D'Antoni, too.

None of the above makes Isiah Thomas the least bit nervous. An assertion by Southwest sources, who have no stake in the trade, that Marbury's body is breaking down - both ankles have been surgically repaired - doesn't worry him, either. It's not as if any of this is a secret. Doctors were consulted. Homework was done prior to the transaction. The Knicks knew Marbury had stopped practicing as a precaution. He was averaging 41 minutes, second most in the league, so something had to give.

The reason damaged goods speculation is rearing its ugly head so all of us can see, I suspect, is based largely on the disapproval rating of fans. The Suns said the same stuff about Jason Kidd's body after trading him to the Nets for Marbury.

"Is that what's coming out of Phoenix?" Marbury asked incredulously. "I can't believe they'd dog me like that. I thought I had a good relationship with people out there. I consider Amare and Shawn [Marion] friends."

"You've been around the NBA long enough," counsels a Suns voice of reason, "to know there are plenty of people hovering around players who can and do get into their ears and heads.

"What happened with Shawn and Amare, I think, is they were told so often they couldn't play with Stephon they started to believe he was looking 'em off on the break, whatever. Even though they really didn't believe it deep down."

"Why try to defend myself?" Marbury declared. What good will it do? I'm not a selfish player. My body ain't hurtin' or fallin' apart. In the end, it'll all shake out. People are goin' to have to judge for themselves what's real and what's B.S.

"Truthfully, I don't give a bleep what they're saying about me in Phoenix. All I care about is helpin' the Knicks become a championship team. This is the best [bleepin'] situation I've ever been in my life and I intend to enjoy it to the mother [bleepin'] max."
 

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Blech. I hate Peter Vescey with a true passion. ******** like him and Jim Gray are the reason American Sports are more Soap Opera than Competition; more reality TV than reality.

Makes me sick to my stomach. Whats worse is how fast the player (in this case Marbury) is willing to buy into the BS and then add fuel to the fire by talking bleeping bleep. (Heh. What was with all the colorful language?)
 

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I am with Stephon Marbury on this one. He has really been classy the whole time. Those who saw how he played can't really say that he was selfish. He passes a lot, whether his dominination of the ball is a good thing or not. Jordan was definitely more dominating with the ball than Marbury, but he won 6 championships. That's really sad that they now supposedly say rather unkind words in Marbury's direction. I hope Thomas could get a real coach and really utilize Stephon's talent to the maximum. Even though they lost, Marbury had 14 assists to his 38 pts. They just need to play better defense as a team in NY.
 

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you know i have read everything that has come out from the suns on this trade. and never anywhere has anything been said that was anything less then glowing about both marbury and hardaway and on what they gave to this team. i think that most writers out there make this junk up just to have something to write about.
 

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I like Marbury and all but when we traded for him this one one of my major concerns.

Originally posted by Joe Mama
But not only to Marbury, whose dip in passion had management looking at him funny. The more the Suns drooped in the standings the more their effort wilted, not only under deposed coach Frank Johnson, but replacement Mike D'Antoni, too.

I believe the Phoenix Suns and it's fans know a good point guard when they see one. Last year I loved Marbury, this year I could see a change. It's like he has an attitude like, everyone feel sorry for me cuz he's losing. Ok, don't get me wrong, he is a great raw skilled player, but what always had me worried was his mental state. And at the end of that when he started cussing, well that's the NY media for ya, and fell right into it. That was disappointing cuz I thought he matured so much.

bye Steph:wave:
 

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Originally posted by scotsman13
you know i have read everything that has come out from the suns on this trade. and never anywhere has anything been said that was anything less then glowing about both marbury and hardaway and on what they gave to this team. i think that most writers out there make this junk up just to have something to write about.

I agree. Peter vescey(sp?) is an Ass and he is saying these things just to piss Marbury off. I haven't heard anything out of the Suns that suggested that anyone thought that Marbury was being selfish while he was here. The trade had to do with clearing Salary and not dumping a bad player.
 

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I actually don't have any doubt that there was some validity to everything in that article. I believe Amare's mom was in his ear, I believe there were concerns about Marbury's ankles and health, and I know the C's weren't happy with the record and attitude of the team. However, absolutely none of that would matter if they werent shackled by the salary cap and in financial difficulties. And if Penny's bad contract weren't involved, we wouldn't even be discussing this. If an article were to be written about why the Suns made the trade, Vecsey's crap would represent about 10% of it. Vescey knows this, but still can't help himself. He is absolutely a horrible writer.
 
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Originally posted by frdbtr
I agree. Peter vescey(sp?) is an Ass and he is saying these things just to piss Marbury off. I haven't heard anything out of the Suns that suggested that anyone thought that Marbury was being selfish while he was here. The trade had to do with clearing Salary and not dumping a bad player.

According to the article these are rumors that are being leaked out of the Phoenix Suns organization to appease a pissed off fan base. He never says that they have come right out and said anything like this. I think it is the media looking for reasons behind the trade. Except I do believe that Amare Stoudemire and probably his mother were not happy with the late Marbury was dominating the ball.

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Even if the article is accurate, I don't like the idea of Amare Stoudemire's mother making $100 million decisions and determining the fate of the franchise for years to come.
 

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Originally posted by elindholm
Even if the article is accurate, I don't like the idea of Amare Stoudemire's mother making $100 million decisions and determining the fate of the franchise for years to come.

I don't know...that Barbosa pick of hers is looking pretty good right now. ;)
 

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Originally posted by Joe Mama
According to the article these are rumors that are being leaked out of the Phoenix Suns organization to appease a pissed off fan base. He never says that they have come right out and said anything like this. I think it is the media looking for reasons behind the trade. Except I do believe that Amare Stoudemire and probably his mother were not happy with the late Marbury was dominating the ball.

Joe Mama

Amare had a reason to be frustrated that he wasn't getting the ball. A good "half court" offense will always run inside out. the problem with the Article is Peter Vecsey likes to get these kinds of rivalry's going to sell his articles and I am sure that he exaggerated on the points that have a little validity. The other thing is, if Amare was frustrated it would need to be blamed on Frank Johnson and not Marbury. FJ didn't coach well and the ball didn't go into the post enough with his offense. This had nothing to do with Marbury. The Suns Organization didn't dump marbury because he was being selfish. They got rid of him to clear up salary cap. Peter Vescey just wants to work Marbury into a frenzy so the NBA can market a return of Marbury to the Suns (when they play again) and to try to get Marbury to play angry. Lets not forget that this guy is a Knicks fan. (Vescey)
 

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Stephon was dealt before she had a chance to figure out how to blame him for Amare's flagrantly delinquent defense.

Please?

Amare's defense? How often did they watch Amare play this season or even last season?

Just look at the Suns with a healthy Amare and see the difference in their defense.
 

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Re: Re: Peter Vescey article on Marbury & Suns

Originally posted by slinslin
Please?

Amare's defense? How often did they watch Amare play this season or even last season?

Just look at the Suns with a healthy Amare and see the difference in their defense.

Once again, what can I say, Peter Vescey is an ass. This is an Inflammatory article meant to piss off Marbury and try to get him to play angry. I have a hard time believing that his "anonymous" source is very credible.
 

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"According to those hooked up, piped in, and wired to the organization...."
Ever notice that most of Vescey's 'sources' are anonymous? He's a joke.
 

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I have a hard time believing that his "anonymous" source is very credible.

I read HoopsHype, where it gives summations of each article and then a link at the end. I always know when I'm reading Vecsey because he has this pretentious way of writing "Sources tell me that," or "I'm informed that," or "From what I've been hearing." All gossip columnists do it, but with Vecsey it becomes a total mannerism. It's just one more thing about him that's annoying. :D

Also, does someone need to remind Vecsey that Stoudemire was injured while the Suns went to hell? How can Stoudemire be unhappy with having Marbury has a teammate when he isn't even on the floor?
 

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This is the first time I've heard anything about Amare's mother having anything to do with this. The reasoning probably goes like this:

There are rumors that Amare wanted the ball more.
Amare's mother is a problem.

Therefore: Amare's mother wanted Steph shipped.

Its a huge step.

Also, has anyone else heard anything about Stephs body breaking down. He comes from a great b-ball family with a history of career ending injuries. I was just wondering if there is any substance to this.
 

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My sources tell me that Marbury accused Amare of faking the injury and asked to be traded rather then play with him again. :D These reporters can say anything that they want and blame it on an anonymous source. I think that it is krap.
 

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honestly, i think vecsey is an ass. that said, i wouldn't be surprised if amare was slightly upset with not seeing the ball frequently enough. i also wouldn't be surprised to hear his mom involved in this. in fact, when we started to find out about his madre both cheese and i discussed how frightened we were that she could mess up his career, and the suns organization along with it. remember, he's very young and very much attached to his mom. finally, amare's defense IS atrocious. he makes some nice blocks, but his man-on defense is light years away from competent.
 

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This is total crap. Vecsey is like the punk kid on the playground that makes up stories about one kid calling another a name and spreads it around to try and start a fight.

That being said I will jump on this opp to once again assert my opinion that Amare's mom is a piece of trash.

Anyone that goes around commiting serious crime when she's got kids at home then gets out of prison and starts asserting herself in those kids lives...

Every time I hear her name mentioned I get a little sick to my stomach. I just know somewhere down the road she's going to screw either Amare or the Suns over somehow. And the fact that the Suns have to cater to her worthlessness.....

There's a reason people don't hire ex cons to work for them.
 

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Originally posted by elindholm
How can Stoudemire be unhappy with having Marbury has a teammate when he isn't even on the floor? [/B]

Stoudemire was a monster against the Nuggets in spite of just returning from an ankle injury. Why? Because he got the ball.

Getting the ball to a strong inside guy is hard work and not very flashy, but it wins ball games. This is a common complaint against all "shoot first" point guards, but it is an issue that was not likely to go away when the Suns finally had a low post threat.
 

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Stoudemire was a monster against the Nuggets in spite of just returning from an ankle injury. Why? Because he got the ball.

Oh come on. Did you watch the game? Stoudemire was a monster because the Nuggets were up by 30 points and weren't bothering to defend the interior or get back on fast breaks.

Stoudemire certainly wasn't a monster in the first quarter, which was the only stretch during which the game was competitive.
 

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Come on now Eric. From my seat way up in the rafters, it sure looked like Nene and Camby were trying to guard him. If they weren't, I don't think they would have picked up so many fouls on his moves to the basket.

Amare wasn't a factor in the first half (when it was still a blow out mind you) because he wasn't in the game. He played like 5 minutes all first half due to foul trouble.
 
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Originally posted by thegrahamcrackr
Come on now Eric. From my seat way up in the rafters, it sure looked like Nene and Camby were trying to guard him. If they weren't, I don't think they would have picked up so many fouls on his moves to the basket.

Amare wasn't a factor in the first half (when it was still a blow out mind you) because he wasn't in the game. He played like 5 minutes all first half due to foul trouble.

I don't know Graham. I was also thinking that if the game was competitive throughout Amare Stoudemire would not have been scorned like that. I actually thought Cabarkapa was more of a factor.

Obviously he struggles at times, but I think Cabarkapa is a much better defender and most of us expected to be. Perhaps has just because the rest of the team has been playing such poor, undisciplined defense.

Joe Mama
 

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