Phoenix and Houston, Indiana, Philadelphia

[slinslin]

Part 1

Phoenix gets
Jonny Flynn $5.1M next season team option
Hasheem Thabeet $5.7M next season team option
Marcus Morris 2yrs/$4M
New York 2012 First Round Pick

Phoenix trades
Hakim Warrick $4M
Marcin Gortat $6.8M

Houston

Gortat/Dalembert/Hill
Scola/Patterson/Hill
Parsons/Buddinger/Warrick
Martin/Williams/Lee
Lowry/Dragic

Part 2

Phoenix gets
Darren Collison $1.5M
Indiana 2012 First Round Pick

Indiana has $15M caproom
Indiana gets
Steve Nash $11.7M

Indiana

Hibbert/Foster/Amundson
West/Hansborough/Pendergraph
Granger/jones
George/Hill
Nash/Stephenson

Part 3

Phoenix gets
Andres Nocioni $6.6M next year team option
2012 Philly First Round Pick

Philly gets
Channing Frye $5.6M

Philly
Hawes/Frye/Battie/Vucevic
Brand/Frye/Young
Iguodala/Young
Meeks/Turner
Holiday/Williams

Phoenix
Lopez/Thabeet
Morris/Nocioni
Morris/Childress/Hill
Dudley/Brown/Redd
Collison/Flynn/Price

Release Hill or trade him wherever he wants for whatever they can get.

In the offseason evaluate if Thabeet, Flynn and Lopez are worth keeping or not using team options/qualifying offer.

Amnesty Josh Childress

We could go into the 2012 offseason with a roster of
Collison $2.3
Dudley $4.2
Morris $2
Morris $2
Phoenix Suns 1st round pick #1-10
New York Knicks 1st round pick #16-22
Indiana Pacers 1st round pick #20-25
Philadelphia 76ers 1st round pick #20-25

We would probably have around $36M caproom to spend on FAs.

 

[asudevil83]

My only beef is the third trade. Frye is not worth anything close to an expiring and a first.

 

[SirStefan32]

Slin, Gortat is NOT going to be traded.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Slin, Gortat is NOT going to be traded.

Especially for absolute crap. Slin loses all credibility with his irrational hatred of Gortat.

 

[slinslin]

Absolute crap?

We ditch a contract, we get expiring contracts that could still turn the corner because they have some talent.

We get a rookie lottery pick and New Yorks pick is going to be between 17 and 23 most likely in a deep draft.

Really what is the point of keeping Gortat through rebuilding? He is a good center yes but he is no difference maker on his own.
- his trade value is as high as it ever will be right now
- he is 28 and will be over the hill when our rebuilding process is finished
- he has 2 years left on his contract, after next year he will be able to opt out and certainly will, he will be turning 30 3 months into his next contract and look for a big paycheck and might also want to go to a team that is further ahead in terms of rebuilding

It makes a lot of sense to trade Gortat this year to accelerate our rebuilding. He has little worth to us in the future because we can not compete anyway, his window does not overlap with the Suns future. Really having Gortat on our team this year and next year maybe will make a difference between winnin 20% of our games or 22% of our games.

 

[SirStefan32]

Absolute crap?

We ditch a contract, we get expiring contracts that could still turn the corner because they have some talent.

We get a rookie lottery pick and New Yorks pick is going to be between 17 and 23 most likely in a deep draft.

Really what is the point of keeping Gortat through rebuilding? He is a good center yes but he is no difference maker on his own.
- his trade value is as high as it ever will be right now
- he is 28 and will be over the hill when our rebuilding process is finished
- he has 2 years left on his contract, after next year he will be able to opt out and certainly will, he will be turning 30 3 months into his next contract and look for a big paycheck and might also want to go to a team that is further ahead in terms of rebuilding

It makes a lot of sense to trade Gortat this year to accelerate our rebuilding. He has little worth to us in the future because we can not compete anyway, his window does not overlap with the Suns future. Really having Gortat on our team this year and next year maybe will make a difference between winnin 20% of our games or 22% of our games.

No matter how much you want the Suns to trade him, he is not going anywhere. You will be forced to watch him in the Suns uniform for as long as he plays (probably another 6-8 years.)

 

[slinslin]

You think?

I think it is more likely that he will opt out after next season and get drastically overpaid by someone.

 

[elindholm]

- his trade value is as high as it ever will be right now

And so you cash him in for a late first and a bunch of 10th men? If you're going to trade him at the peak of his value, at least get a decent price.

Really having Gortat on our team this year and next year maybe will make a difference between winnin 20% of our games or 22% of our games.

Right, whereas having the likes of Flynn and Thabeet makes the difference between winning 20.00% and 20.05%. Except I'm not sure which way the difference is.

 

[slinslin]

Flynn and Thabeet are expiring contracts unless they break out in which case their value is in being young enough to be part of the team for many years through rebuilding.

Last years #14 or #15 pick and this years New York pick plus dumping a contract like Warrick or Childress looks like a decent return to me. New Yorks pick will be top 20.

Houston looks like a good trading parter to me anyway. They have an entire bench that gets no playing time made up of young talented players that are seen as busts right now but still have a chance and expire in 2012.

Thabeet
Hill
Morris
Williams
Flynn

Except for Marcus Morris all those guys have team options for next year and all of them would probably be an improvement over what the Suns currently have on the bench.

 

[mojorizen7]

Give Nash a Godzilla-sized severance package to just go away......then go get Rondo in here by trading whatever the Celts want(minus Gortat and next years #1).Go get some scorers that aren't awful defensively in the draft & FA.

Start there.

Of course knowing the Suns like i do they'll just try to find more scorers to pair with Nash,Hill,Gortat and Frye....with the thinking that Gortat/Hill is all they need in terms of defense and rebounding to get back to the playoffs and recieve a beatdown.

 

[sunsfan88]

Absolute crap?

We ditch a contract, we get expiring contracts that could still turn the corner because they have some talent.

We get a rookie lottery pick and New Yorks pick is going to be between 17 and 23 most likely in a deep draft.

Really what is the point of keeping Gortat through rebuilding? He is a good center yes but he is no difference maker on his own.
- his trade value is as high as it ever will be right now
- he is 28 and will be over the hill when our rebuilding process is finished
- he has 2 years left on his contract, after next year he will be able to opt out and certainly will, he will be turning 30 3 months into his next contract and look for a big paycheck and might also want to go to a team that is further ahead in terms of rebuilding

It makes a lot of sense to trade Gortat this year to accelerate our rebuilding. He has little worth to us in the future because we can not compete anyway, his window does not overlap with the Suns future. Really having Gortat on our team this year and next year maybe will make a difference between winnin 20% of our games or 22% of our games.

Gortat may be 28 but he barely has any wear and tear on him so its not like he's gonna suck once he gets older. He can probably play at the same level he's playing right now till he's 35 or so.

And the Suns gave him his first opportunity to start in the NBA, I'm sure he won't just turn his back on us. He'll resign here unless we completely low ball him.

Gortat's a top 2 center in the West. You don't trade away guys like that.