Pick Watch 2018

[Hoop Head]

Waiters was a big piece of their surge last year, not sure how important he's been for Miami this year but they'll definitely miss his production. Spoelstra is a much better coach than many thought he was. He's done well with Miami since Lebron left and it was definitely implied the only reason they won champions were the big 3 and anyone could have been their coach at that time.

 

[BC867]

There’s you go putting words in peoples mouths again. I have said REPEATEDLY that this isn’t an “every season” wish but you keep trying the oldest tactic in the book when you have the lame argument . . . lie about what position the opposition is proposing. Lame.

And no coach EVER is going to say anything other than what Triano said so that does not make him right and imo it adds ZERO to your argument.

You called me a liar on this thread, so I'll respond here, then move on.

You and pokerface clearly led the tank movement and he did refer to tanking again next season. That is the fact. You getting dramatic with terms like "putting words in people's mouths", "oldest tactic in the book", "lame argument" and "lie" don't change the facts.

And regarding the vague "no coach EVER is going to say..." argument, it likewise doesn't change his comments about how building a winning culture among his young players is his priority.

You're trying to win a debate on a sports board. Triano is concerned with a winning mentality among his roster. And I, as a fan, agree with him. Your insults don't change that. I won't post about it on this thread again.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

You called me a liar on this thread, so I'll respond here, then move on.

You and pokerface clearly led the tank movement and he did refer to tanking again next season. That is the fact. You getting dramatic with terms like "putting words in people's mouths", "oldest tactic in the book", "lame argument" and "lie" don't change the facts.

And regarding the vague "no coach EVER is going to say..." argument, it likewise doesn't change his comments about how building a winning culture among his young players is his priority.

You're trying to win a debate on a sports board. Triano is concerned with a winning mentality among his roster. And I, as a fan, agree with him. Your insults don't change that. I won't post about it on this thread again.

Be indignant all you want. But when you purposefully misrepresent what someone is saying in order to win an argument don’t be surprised when you’re called on it.

 

[pokerface]

Yeah it’s always our luck for us to be better than we should be in great drafts and worse in terrible drafts and if we have anyone’s pick it either won’t convey, they’ll outproduce their talent when we get it, or we’ll trade it just as it’s going to be valuable. Draft cursed.

Ditto dat

 

[pokerface]

You called me a liar on this thread, so I'll respond here, then move on.

You and pokerface clearly led the tank movement and he did refer to tanking again next season. That is the fact. You getting dramatic with terms like "putting words in people's mouths", "oldest tactic in the book", "lame argument" and "lie" don't change the facts.

And regarding the vague "no coach EVER is going to say..." argument, it likewise doesn't change his comments about how building a winning culture among his young players is his priority.

You're trying to win a debate on a sports board. Triano is concerned with a winning mentality among his roster. And I, as a fan, agree with him. Your insults don't change that. I won't post about it on this thread again.

Why do you have to rope me in this? Plus you are misrepresenting what I said which is the very thing Ouchie is calling you out on. I didn't clearly say I wanted to tank next season...I said keeping Chandler around could mess up more than one draft.

Everyone has cooled down...let's stay with that. Besides, I've pretty much given up on this draft unless something radically changes.

 

[hcsilla]

Dion Waiters is going to have season ending surgery in Miami. That might help them miss the playoffs.

No, that will help them to get an even better record.

Waiters was one of their worst players this year and they play even better without him.

 

[Carolinacacti]

One win over OKC has not made this team a playoff contender. The crash is coming for the Phoenix Titanic. Top 5 pick is still possible. Then the Dr Jekyll in me says, somehow trade for a great PG and the Suns will drive into the playoffs.

 

[JCSunsfan]

One win over OKC has not made this team a playoff contender. The crash is coming for the Phoenix Titanic. Top 5 pick is still possible. Then the Dr Jekyll in me says, somehow trade for a great PG and the Suns will drive into the playoffs.

OK. Snide post basically denigrating other posters.

We are not exited about one win over the Thunder, but rather the development of the young players--particularly Dragan, JJ, Chriss. The continued consistency of Booker and TJ is nice too.

We all recognize that the schedule is very tough coming up and we are looking forward to seeing how this young team does against stiffer competition. Not sure anyone here is claiming this team is a playoff contender this year. However, we are not so much seeing a bottom five type of tank either.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Miami beats Milwaukee. One pick of ours competing against the other. I think I would have preferred a Milwaukee win since that pick will not likely convey. If it does, it will be decent though.

 

[hsandhu]

Top 6 here we come, I never lost faith!

I thought the indy game was our last chance to win until the knicks at home with the tough road trip we have coming up, but when the injuries force you to play house and peters this was over before it started.

Suns have winnable games in early feb, but post all star is absolultey brutal. Gs 3x, cle 2x, okc 2x, bos, hou. And lakers/brooklyn have no incentive to tank, top 6 is very possible. I would love to end up at least 5, that all but guarantees a top 6 pick.

 

[Raindog]

Top 6 here we come, I never lost faith!

I thought the indy game was our last chance to win until the knicks at home with the tough road trip we have coming up, but when the injuries force you to play house and peters this was over before it started.

Suns have winnable games in early feb, but post all star is absolultey brutal. Gs 3x, cle 2x, okc 2x, bos, hou. And lakers/brooklyn have no incentive to tank, top 6 is very possible. I would love to end up at least 5, that all but guarantees a top 6 pick.

I never lost faith... I even still think a top 4 pick is possible. We won't win much with the schedule that's left.

 

[hsandhu]

I never lost faith... I even still think a top 4 pick is possible. We won't win much with the schedule that's left.

Atlanta, Orlando, Sacramento are almost locks for top 3, they are awful. We need mike conley to come back soon for memphis for them not to be a lock as well.

 

[JCSunsfan]

The Milwaukee pick is coming back into play. It is only a half game from conveying. I would be glad to have it this year.
The Miami pick keeps dropping. Those guys can't seem to lose.

 

[Mainstreet]

The Milwaukee pick is coming back into play. It is only a half game from conveying. I would be glad to have it this year.
The Miami pick keeps dropping. Those guys can't seem to lose.

The Suns need a serious upgrade in talent. They could use all three first round picks if the Bucks pick conveyed.

Maybe this is not the route to go but the Suns need a serious talent upgrade.

 

[Hoop Head]

If the Bucks pick conveys then I like the chances of packaging that with the Heat pick to move up. I don't think it will get that high but if they can get a 2nd pick between 10-13 that would go nicely with their own pick. I know most hope to move into the top 5 but I'm not sure they'll be able to do that, even with 3 first rounders this year.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I think the Suns will eventually be in the #4 slot with their own pick (pre-lottery). That's the best-case scenario from now on, and to me the most likely scenario. We are one half game ahead of the Lakers, who are on a tear. One game ahead of Dallas, which seems to be improving. If Conley comes back, I think Memphis will catch us.

Being in the #4 spot means a very high likelihood of drafting top 5. I am not sure I want to trade around within that group, but I would think that having the #4-5 pick and having the #14-16 pick would be able to net us the player we want, depending on who drafts ahead of us. But maybe no trading would be necessary on the top end.

Say we end up drafting top 3. We can take Young.

Then maybe trade the Milwaukee pick (14-16) and the Miami pick (19-23), plus maybe a young player to move up some. Maybe to 9-10. Then we would be looking at a player like one of the Bridges or something.

Lots of options open and the Suns basically control a lot of this draft.

To me, the ideal summer over all for this team is to add the best possible player from this draft, and then to add a star vet either by trade or through free agency. I would consider trading ALL of our second round picks for a future lottery protected first from someone.

 

[Superbone]

I think the Suns will eventually be in the #4 slot with their own pick (pre-lottery). That's the best-case scenario from now on, and to me the most likely scenario. We are one half game ahead of the Lakers, who are on a tear. One game ahead of Dallas, which seems to be improving. If Conley comes back, I think Memphis will catch us.

Being in the #4 spot means a very high likelihood of drafting top 5. I am not sure I want to trade around within that group, but I would think that having the #4-5 pick and having the #14-16 pick would be able to net us the player we want, depending on who drafts ahead of us. But maybe no trading would be necessary on the top end.

Say we end up drafting top 3. We can take Young.

Then maybe trade the Milwaukee pick (14-16) and the Miami pick (19-23), plus maybe a young player to move up some. Maybe to 9-10. Then we would be looking at a player like one of the Bridges or something.

Lots of options open and the Suns basically control a lot of this draft.

To me, the ideal summer over all for this team is to add the best possible player from this draft, and then to add a star vet either by trade or through free agency. I would consider trading ALL of our second round picks for a future lottery protected first from someone.

Plus, it's time the lottery gods threw us a frickin' bone!

 

[JCSunsfan]

Teams to cheer for tonight.

Hawks to beat the Bulls. Too late. Hawks lost. OK though. The Bulls are right behind us in the lotto sweeps.
Hornets over the Heat.
Grizzlies over the Pels.
Sixers over the Bucks.
Mavs over the Blazers.

 

[SirStefan32]

And Miami wins again. Without Dragic, no less. Bucks lost, so there is that. I hope Conley comes back soon to help Memphis.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Bucks pick is now at 15. 13 is probably best case scenario.

The Suns pick is probably going to get better too, unless this team suddenly develops some consistency. I will enjoy wins, but I will not regret losses.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Bucks pick is now at 15. 13 is probably best case scenario.

The Suns pick is probably going to get better too, unless this team suddenly develops some consistency. I will enjoy wins, but I will not regret losses.

And Miami wins again. Without Dragic, no less. Bucks lost, so there is that. I hope Conley comes back soon to help Memphis.

i don’t think they are going to bring Conley back. They are totally in the tank.

 

[Hoop Head]

The Suns are only 1 game ahead of the Grizzlies and Lakers right now and even with Brooklyn. Neither LA or Brooklyn are playing to tank since they don't have their own pick this year, hopefully both end up picking after Phoenix. If the season ended today we'd be picking 7th or 8th, since we have the same record as the Nets. LA and Memphis only need 1 win before Phoenix gets theirs to pass them in the tank standings. The Suns schedule has slowed down some and other teams are catching up in terms of games played so it's easier to see what's needed to get a high pick.

I hope they can get into the top 5, that's all I'm hoping for at this point. I don't think they'll be able to get the most pingpong balls because Atlanta and Sacramento are awful but maybe Orlando can get hot again like they were to start the season. So Atlanta, Orlando, Memphis, Brooklyn, Sacramento, and the Lakers are teams we need to root for going forward, in addition to the Heat and Bucks losing. Milwaukee can win and lose, so long as they don't have a long streak winning or losing we should get their pick this year, which would be a nice surprise and help the Suns possibly get into the top 6 if they fall short on their own.

 

[JCSunsfan]

As of this moment we have 7, 15, 23, 37, 41, 56.

I think it is likely that almost every one of those picks gets a little better.

 

[Phrazbit]

As of this moment we have 7, 15, 23, 37, 41, 56.

I think it is likely that almost every one of those picks gets a little better.

I suspect the Miami pick moves in our favor, but decent odds the Bucks pick gets worse and 50/50 to the extent that we don't receive it this year.

Our pick is almost certain to improve. If we don't find trade destinations for Chander/Dudley/Monroe/Daniels then those dudes will hardly see a minute of playing time after mid Feb.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I suspect the Miami pick moves in our favor, but decent odds the Bucks pick gets worse and 50/50 to the extent that we don't receive it this year.

Our pick is almost certain to improve. If we don't find trade destinations for Chander/Dudley/Monroe/Daniels then those dudes will hardly see a minute of playing time after mid Feb.

So if we traded all 6 for one, how far up would it move us in this draft.