PJ Tucker: Coach Hornacek Changed Everything

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Do you think a contender would try to steal PJ with the full MLE?

How much would you pay to keep him? I'm thinking McD convinces him with more years but at $3m annually.

That would be nice but I don't see it happening. He's earned a nice raise and someone will give it to him if we don't. Even if they move him to the bench he'll be worth quite a bit more than that IMO. I can't see him signing for less than 5 or 6 million per year.
 

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He's our best rebounder and defender.

That said, he will also be 30 years before FA hits. This is his ceiling and he tends to get pretty selfish on fast breaks. He's very limited offensively, struggling to finish at the rim, etc. Corner 3s are about the only thing he's capable of.

I still like him but I wouldn't pay him over $4M/yr. I think McD will probably pay him up to $6M/yr to keep him in PHX though since he's a leader of the team and everything.
 

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Tucker finishes well on breaks but he does need to think in terms of passing the ball out on offensive rebounds as he wastes way too many shots trying to score. If he's got an immediate shot with no blocker lurking then take it, otherwise he needs to give it up. Hornacek shouldn't have much trounle convincing him of the wisdom of that.

I don't recall him persisting in trying score after OR's last year and I think that's the main reason his offensive efficiency was 15% higher than this year - and 15% is a big jump, being the average difference between a starter and reserve (except in the case of volume scorers.)
 

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Tucker finishes well on breaks but he does need to think in terms of passing the ball out on offensive rebounds as he wastes way too many shots trying to score. If he's got an immediate shot with no blocker lurking then take it, otherwise he needs to give it up. Hornacek shouldn't have much trounle convincing him of the wisdom of that.

I don't recall him persisting in trying score after OR's last year and I think that's the main reason his offensive efficiency was 15% higher than this year - and 15% is a big jump, being the average difference between a starter and reserve (except in the case of volume scorers.)

I noticed him doing it last year too although it didn't happen as often. I just thought the difference was that he was rebounding inside more this season because of roster changes (no Scola, no O'Neal etc) so he's getting more opportunities. I don't know how offensive efficiency is calculated but could some of the difference be the result of an increase in 3 point shots and a decrease in 2 point attempts? He's shot the ball pretty well from 3 this season but as I said, I have no idea how it's calculated.
 

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I noticed him doing it last year too although it didn't happen as often. I just thought the difference was that he was rebounding inside more this season because of roster changes (no Scola, no O'Neal etc) so he's getting more opportunities. I don't know how offensive efficiency is calculated but could some of the difference be the result of an increase in 3 point shots and a decrease in 2 point attempts? He's shot the ball pretty well from 3 this season but as I said, I have no idea how it's calculated.

In fact I was wrong in saying his offensive eff. dropped 15%, it was only 7% because I'd forgotten it dropped sharply right at the end of the year. From looking at his various stats, his drop in overall FG% has to be the main reason it fell because most contributing factors improved though turnovers increased a bit. Both of those changes are consistent with him trying to score more often in difficult circumstances.

Tthe formula for off. eff. is, from memory: ( .5*pts + ast + .7*OR + .05*FTA) / (TO + .7*missedFG). The league wide average is about 2. but I scale it by about 100 for my own use though I quote it as % of average. Pace plays no role so you need not correct for it and it applies to teams or groups of teams just as well as to a player. I apply it to collective opponents data to measure a team defensive effeciency.
 
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We need to improve our starting lineup. Tucker and Frye are the most likely candidates to be replaced. The center position could use improvement too, but we have younger developing players in that spot, and it is much harder to find good centers.

IMO, Tucker is 50/50 on returning next year.
 

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We need to improve our starting lineup. Tucker and Frye are the most likely candidates to be replaced. The center position could use improvement too, but we have younger developing players in that spot, and it is much harder to find good centers.

IMO, Tucker is 50/50 on returning next year.

Our weakest position, by far, has been center but as you said, we have young players in development there. Our next weakest position is power forward, we need to either get a full season of the Channing Frye that played the first two months of this season or we need to find a power forward that can do all the things he does plus score and defend down low. I'm not convinced we can find someone with all those qualities so we may have to just settle for a stretch four that is more consistent than Frye.

As for PJ Tucker, I'm not sure we'll be able to find his equal let alone a player that impacts the game even more than him. I've often complained about the fact he's a dirt worker and that kind of player isn't supposed to make some of the ego/stupid mistakes PJ does but he just might be the heart and soul of this team.

Considering how much Tucker has improved his game from last season to this one I'm not willing to call him a finished product just yet. If he can learn to nail that baseline three, I see no reason he can't master that shot from elsewhere. If he's not asking for the moon I hope we keep him. It would be nice to find a small forward that beats him out of a starting position but he's too valuable to just let walk IMO.
 

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^^^^^^
I agree for the most part, people like Tucker are hard to replace...Think Bruce Bowen before decline. I don't think the Spurs have even gotten a guard that was capable of Bowen's defense (minus the cheapshots) and nails the corner 3. Tucker is our Bowen...a clean, "non-douche" version
 

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^^^^^^
I agree for the most part, people like Tucker are hard to replace...Think Bruce Bowen before decline. I don't think the Spurs have even gotten a guard that was capable of Bowen's defense (minus the cheapshots) and nails the corner 3. Tucker is our Bowen...a clean, "non-douche" version
Just as Grant Hill, he makes a difference that doesn't show in the box score. The kind of player no good team wants to be without.
 

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