Players ok new CBA

[Mainstreet]

I'm guessing if there is a 2020 season part of the season could be pushed further back into 2021 as well as pushing the Super Bowl back.

 

[TheCardFan]

Do those other professions make their employers/partners billions of dollars? The players earned that money by the fact millions and millions of people want to watch them play their sport.

How do you think billionaires make money?

Most fans root for the teams first. I am a Cardinals fan...if a player leaves I don't leave with them. The NFL would have made the same amount of money without 99% of the specific players (maybe 100%)...its way bigger than that. As a Cardinals fan...this should be a painful but obvious observation.

 

[Ronin]

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[Krangodnzr]

How do you think billionaires make money?

Most fans root for the teams first. I am a Cardinals fan...if a player leaves I don't leave with them. The NFL would have made the same amount of money without 99% of the specific players (maybe 100%)...its way bigger than that. As a Cardinals fan...this should be a painful but obvious observation.

The NFL is overall a more equitable form of work.

Society at large would be much better off if we could force all major businesses to pay employees nearly 50% of the profits.

But again, none of us tune in to see Michael Bidwill play and he owns a multi-billion dollar company that his family paid $20k for.

 

[Mainstreet]

How do you think billionaires make money?

Most fans root for the teams first. I am a Cardinals fan...if a player leaves I don't leave with them. The NFL would have made the same amount of money without 99% of the specific players (maybe 100%)...its way bigger than that. As a Cardinals fan...this should be a painful but obvious observation.

If the NFL did this I suspect new leagues would pop up overnight. I'm not saying they would survive but it pushes the NFL to produce a better product.

 

[Krangodnzr]

How do you think billionaires make money?

Most fans root for the teams first. I am a Cardinals fan...if a player leaves I don't leave with them. The NFL would have made the same amount of money without 99% of the specific players (maybe 100%)...its way bigger than that. As a Cardinals fan...this should be a painful but obvious observation.

If the XFL got the stars from the NFL, and the NFL got the XFL "stars", I'd be watching the XFL.

One of the litany of reasons for the NFL's dominance is that they have higher levels of talent than the alternative leagues that have popped up.

I think you are severely underestimating this part of the equation.

 

[Krangodnzr]

During the Dave Mac era, the Cardinals were extremely hard to watch. The Wilks year, extremely hard to watch.

The players matter.

 

[Harry]

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Let’s sign Ricky Williams.

 

[cardncubfan]

The NFL is overall a more equitable form of work.

Society at large would be much better off if we could force all major businesses to pay employees nearly 50% of the profits.

But again, none of us tune in to see Michael Bidwill play and he owns a multi-billion dollar company that his family paid $20k for.

He (Charles Bidwill) purchased it for $50k. About $900k today.


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One night in 1932, Dr. David Jones, the then-owner of the Cardinals, and his wife were guests at an informal dinner party aboard Bidwill's luxurious power-cruising yacht, The Ren-Mar. Bidwill, then a vice president of the Chicago Bears, spoke with Jones that night and the conversation turned to pro football, with Jones complaining of the poor state of his team. Half jokingly, Charles' wife, Violet, asked Jones, "Why don't you sell the Cardinals to Charley?" Jones replied that he would sell anything he owned if the price was right. Bidwill soon turned to Jones and the two began to discuss an offer. Bidwill went on to buy the Cardinals from Jones for $50,000. Bidwill handed Jones a down payment of $2,000 and the two men shook hands. The sale was not announced until 1933 to allow Bidwill time to dispose of his stock in the Bears. It was well known that Bidwill would have much preferred to buy the Bears, but George Halas refused to sell.[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Bidwill

 

[Southpaw]

I’d be happy if they can get in 6 games in 2020, but that seems remote.

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[Southpaw]

It benefited the rank & file, struggling fringe players, practice squad players, and retired vets in a very positive way...the only players who can argue a negative impact, at the end of the day, are the top paid stars...
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and it is a democratic process with one vote per player. The non max salary players far outnumber the max players. Sorta displays a sense of greed and selfishness by the top salaried players who might have downvoted the proposal.

 

[Southpaw]

No one forced those police officers, firemen, & military personnel(speaking from experience) to be police officers, firemen, & military personnel, either.

Wow. That's a harsh take.

 

[DVontel]

Wow. That's a harsh take.

Harsh or not, am I lying?

 

[TheCardFan]

During the Dave Mac era, the Cardinals were extremely hard to watch. The Wilks year, extremely hard to watch.

The players matter.

But you stayed a fan of the team. New generations are being born into NFL fandom every day.

The Cardinals have been miserable for most of our lives but we still spend the money and still spend the time.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Love this some much. I've heard former players talk about cannabis use in the NFL, and he guessed 60-75% of the NFL uses cannabis.

Cant wait until the Boomers are no longer in charge and the prohibition of cannabis can finally be lifted. I've lived the past decade in two states where it is legal and there aren't any real problems from it.

yup yup!

 

[Shane]

The NFL is overall a more equitable form of work.

Society at large would be much better off if we could force all major businesses to pay employees nearly 50% of the profits.

But again, none of us tune in to see Michael Bidwill play and he owns a multi-billion dollar company that his family paid $20k for.

ahh the societal jealousy of the uber rich gotta love it... These players hardly got “screwed” and the inference is laughable.

 

[Krangodnzr]

ahh the societal jealousy of the uber rich gotta love it... These players hardly got “screwed” and the inference is laughable.

Not jealous. Not even a little bit.

The players have a small window to make as much as they can. The generate the revenue. Michael Bidwill watches in the stands just like you and I.

What is funny is how complicit and blind so many of you are in this scheme.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Harsh or not, am I lying?

You are not.

I generate 0 wealth by being a Soldier. In fact the military is one of the greatest public works project ever created and so much of the military are extreme rightwing libertarian types who have no idea how silly their views on economics are considering how they make a living.

Quite comical, and quite ignorant.

 

[Krangodnzr]

and it is a democratic process with one vote per player. The non max salary players far outnumber the max players. Sorta displays a sense of greed and selfishness by the top salaried players who might have downvoted the proposal.

Or the rank and file dont understand they could get a much better deal considering that the NFL is likely to start making serious money from sports betting partnerships.

The "max" players understand the economics more than the rank and file and they understand it's a crap deal to agree to a set revenue % over a ten year period.

What if the NFL comes up with a new $100 billion per revenue source? The players get none percent of that.

 

[TheCardFan]

Not jealous. Not even a little bit.

The players have a small window to make as much as they can. The generate the revenue. Michael Bidwill watches in the stands just like you and I.

What is funny is how complicit and blind so many of you are in this scheme.

I am jealous a bit for sure. 20, 30, 40m/year to play a game. I can't imagine that kind of money...it's like hitting the lottery every year. Just like a lottery, should some of the money from sports be used for the greater good?

You and I disagree on "the scheme" but I respect your opinion.

Side note - how many new millionaires are made each year from sports and how does that impact the middle class in the US long term?

 

[Krangodnzr]

I am jealous a bit for sure. 20, 30, 40m/year to play a game. I can't imagine that kind of money...it's like hitting the lottery every year. Just like a lottery, should some of the money from sports be used for the greater good?

You and I disagree on "the scheme" but I respect your opinion.

Side note - how many new millionaires are made each year from sports and how does that impact the middle class in the US long term?

Have you ever seen the % of billionaires that made their fortunes from nothing? It's quite small, the vast majority inherited a good chunk of their wealth. It's the modern day version of the feudal system.

The scheme is what we see in our government that basically favors the very wealthy over the average person. No reason to get too in depth on this topic on the Cardinals forum, since it's more a P&R discussion.

I personally dont have an issue with how much pro athletes make because I look at how much the Bidwill family has made. Fitzgeralds wealth is quite a bit smaller compared with how much the Bidwill family is worth.

 

[Shane]

Not jealous. Not even a little bit.

The players have a small window to make as much as they can. The generate the revenue. Michael Bidwill watches in the stands just like you and I.

What is funny is how complicit and blind so many of you are in this scheme.

Not blind at all very aware of the system and how it works. Saying the players are being screwed is the most laughable thing I’ve heard all week. Thanks for that.

 

[TheCardFan]

I personally dont have an issue with how much pro athletes make because I look at how much the Bidwill family has made. Fitzgeralds wealth is quite a bit smaller compared with how much the Bidwill family is worth.

Bidwill owns something that has allowed Fitzgerald to make millions and own something himself. Without football, do you think Fitzgerald would have 100 million dollars? Other than his safety (see police, military, etc)...what risk does Fitzgerald have? How many payrolls has he contributed to and how much of his personal wealth is tied up in the success or failure of this business? A very small percentage vs Bidwill. When Larry leaves...how much will that impact the business/profits?

Most people just don't know what it takes to build a business. They want to put their hands in the cookie jar but they don't want any of the risk and haven't put in the effort to build something on their own.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Bidwill owns something that has allowed Fitzgerald to make millions and own something himself. Without football, do you think Fitzgerald would have 100 million dollars? Other than his safety (see police, military, etc)...what risk does Fitzgerald have? How many payrolls has he contributed to and how much of his personal wealth is tied up in the success or failure of this business? A very small percentage vs Bidwill. When Larry leaves...how much will that impact the business/profits?

Most people just don't know what it takes to build a business. They want to put their hands in the cookie jar but they don't want any of the risk and haven't put in the effort to build something on their own.

Michael Bidwill built nothing

He fits into the category of silver spoon in mouth billionaire.

Sidenote: One thing we havent heard much about is what happened to ownership after Bill's death. Bill Jr. and Nicole Bidwill arent listed any where on the team's website and I havent found anything published.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Not blind at all very aware of the system and how it works. Saying the players are being screwed is the most laughable thing I’ve heard all week. Thanks for that.

Do I need to pull out crayons so you can understand?