Plummer update, if you care

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Too bad he didn't put this kind of effort in with the Cards!!


Plummer shines in first minicamp with Broncos

By JOHN MARSHALL
.c The Associated Press

DENVER (AP) - Jake Plummer's long pass floated on a high arc into the end zone, where Herb Haygood made a diving catch just behind the outstretched hand of the defender.

A short chorus of cheers rang out.

Sure, it was just one pass during a one-on-one drill in a minicamp, but it's exactly the kind of play the Denver Broncos were looking for when they signed Plummer two months ago.

``I thought he did an excellent job,'' coach Mike Shanahan said. ``He's been working extremely hard for last month and a half to feel comfortable with the system, but there's nothing like going out with the guys for the first time and actually running plays. It was nice to get started.''

The Broncos signed Plummer on March 5 to replace Brian Griese, who had fallen out of favor with Shanahan after five seasons in Denver.

The start of a three-day minicamp on Friday was the Broncos' first look at Plummer on the field, and he didn't disappoint.

After a few overthrows and a dropped snap in the first drill, Plummer was sharp despite chilly temperatures that made gripping the ball difficult.

He threw crisp passes on a variety of routes and hit most of his receivers in stride, including the perfectly placed touchdown pass to Haygood.

``It's always nice to get out there and have bodies flying around and things are faster-paced than when we are out here after workouts,'' Plummer said. ``It was fun, it was nice today. We obviously have work to do but it was a good first day.''

It was also good to get out of the classroom.

Over the past two months, Plummer has immersed himself with the Broncos' playbook, meeting daily with the Broncos' coaches, spending numerous hours going over the new terminology and even taking game films home to watch.

All the homework had Plummer ready to start throwing footballs instead of turning pages.

``I got sick of looking at the paper,'' he said. ``I know what I have on '22-Z' on the paper, but we have to get out there and run it on the field. It was good today to get the feel for some of those routes and see how these guys run it.''

But he'll have to wait a little longer to get a feel for some of his better-known teammates.

Tight end Shannon Sharpe said last week that he will return for a 14th season, but he was excused from the minicamp for personal reasons.

Wide receiver Ed McCaffrey was on the field, but wasn't able to do more than jog because of groin surgery March 18. And fullback Mike Anderson, who caught 18 passes last season, wasn't able to go because of knee surgery.

The Broncos are hoping to have all three on the field for the next minicamp in June.

``It's a long ways off,'' Plummer said. ``We have been out there throwing a couple of times a week during workouts, and all of those connections have to keep maturing as time goes. It's real early on.''

Early, but Plummer has already made an impression.

Griese, expected to be released next month, was sometimes aloof with teammates and was criticized for his lack of leadership.

Plummer endeared himself right away by showing up for the first day of offseason workouts. He also spent a good portion of Friday's minicamp slapping backs and congratulating players for good plays.

``We've been hanging out and getting to know each other because it's key to be tight with your team,'' Plummer said. ``We need them in the fourth quarter, we need them after a tough game and we need to know they will be there. And this team is tight.''

05/09/03 18:31 EDT
 

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Yeah----but will he be able to do that with the opposing DL trying to tear his head off?
 

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Easy to throw long passes when your a mile up...but wait until he plays at a REAL elevation :)

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Plummer looks great in training camp. He looked fantastic in Flagstaff. Put him in a game under pressure and see what happens!
 

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EVERY year this was gonna be PLummer's year during camp...... anybody wanna guess what the result in the SEASON were?
 

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You beat me to it Reddog. doggone-it! I mean, I want him to do well, but the inevitable, " he was playing on terrible teams" routine makes me want to ralph If WE do well, then HE can do well. That would be a good trade off. GO CARDS IN '03
 

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I'm a cards fan through and through but for those of you baggin on jake get a grip. He's gone, you got what you wanted. Guess what, we still suck. I'm still a card fan, with no defense. Jake, all the best, you were one of the few qb's who took every snap your team asked them to over the past few years.
 

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Originally posted by NFL_FAN
Too bad he didn't put this kind of effort in with the Cards!!



Effort is one thing you cannot rag on Jake about. He may not have always got the best results, but to accuse him of giving anything less than his best effort, shows either extreme prejudice, or ignorance.
 

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Originally posted by Tangodnzr
Effort is one thing you cannot rag on Jake about. He may not have always got the best results, but to accuse him of giving anything less than his best effort, shows either extreme prejudice, or ignorance. [/B]

Ummm.... isn't Jake the guy who has been quoted as saying he did not participate in offseason workouts with the Cards? Whatever excuse he makes it looks like a lack of effort. It especially sounds like a lame excuse when a guy like Emmitt Smith comes to the team and shows up for every offseason workout.
 

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Originally posted by jmr667
Ummm.... isn't Jake the guy who has been quoted as saying he did not participate in offseason workouts with the Cards? Whatever excuse he makes it looks like a lack of effort. It especially sounds like a lame excuse when a guy like Emmitt Smith comes to the team and shows up for every offseason workout.

Jurecki also said he NEVER saw Jake go and watch film. Jurecki was pissed when he read Jake's comments about the Broncos offseason program. He said that Jake's work ethic off the field was extremely questionable, but he did give it his all on the field.
 

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Wait until the temperature in Denver drops into the 20's and the snow starts falling. Then they will see the Plummer that we have all come to know.
 

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The Republic website led off with the Plummer article instead of a similar AP article focusing on the Cardinal minicamp and Emmitt's role therein. (The last time I checked, Plummer is playing in Denver. Emmitt in Arizona).

Their second article was another slam at the Cards because they didn't sell out ad space on their SDS signage.

Then Emmitt.

I flamed them.
 

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On the ASR last night, they showed some clips of Plummer throwing. One pass was long and wobbly. Oh memories...
 

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Re: Re: Re: Plummer update, if you care

Originally posted by jmr667
Ummm.... isn't Jake the guy who has been quoted as saying he did not participate in offseason workouts with the Cards? Whatever excuse he makes it looks like a lack of effort. It especially sounds like a lame excuse when a guy like Emmitt Smith comes to the team and shows up for every offseason workout.

Jake didnt participate in the Cardinals offseason workout program. This program is a strength/weight training program, has nothing to do with the play calling or watching film. Also while he didnt take part in the Cards program, he did take part in a weight training/offseason workout program in his home state.

People seem to want to take the fact that he didnt participate at the Cards program (which by everything I have read is substandard to many other programs), sorry that to me does not make him a person who has not given every effort to succesed. I think anyone can question his on the field performance, but to question his work ethic I for one think that is off base. He has given 100% both on and off the field, how many articles over the years have I read about plummer trying to get together with the recieving core outside of camps to practice together? TONS!
 

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Originally posted by JasonKGME
Jake didnt participate in the Cardinals offseason workout program. This program is a strength/weight training program, has nothing to do with the play calling or watching film. Also while he didnt take part in the Cards program, he did take part in a weight training/offseason workout program in his home state.

People seem to want to take the fact that he didnt participate at the Cards program (which by everything I have read is substandard to many other programs), sorry that to me does not make him a person who has not given every effort to succesed. I think anyone can question his on the field performance, but to question his work ethic I for one think that is off base. He has given 100% both on and off the field, how many articles over the years have I read about plummer trying to get together with the recieving core outside of camps to practice together? TONS!

But the one guy that talks publicly, and is a part of the organization, doesn't seem to agree with what you are saying. Jurecki is at the Cards facility all the time and he questioned Plummer's work ethic.

He said, he never saw Plummer go and watch film, and it actually could be a part of the reason Plummer sucked so bady. Plummer seemed to never know what a defense was throwing at him, and one can assume from what Jurecki said, that he didn't know.
 

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"Jake Plummer's long pass floated on a high arc into the end zone, where Herb Haygood made a diving catch just behind the outstretched hand of the defender...."

...but if he had hit the guy in stride when he was open, it would have been an easy score.

Cya:wave:
 

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the jury is out.....

we will see who has a better year Jake or Blake?

who was the real problem??

will all be answered soon enough
 

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Exactly. Jake Plummer...best "Skills Challenge" competitor this team has seen. Too bad he didn't do it when it counted. Instead of watching film, he was probably perfecting his "behind the back" passing skills. I'm waiting for the first wet, cold day. When that ball goes in the opposite direction than he meant to throw it. Anybody remember that last game against Washington, 2 seasons ago? You know what I mean. Go Jeff Blake. Go Cardinals.
 

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Originally posted by studiovx
Exactly. Jake Plummer...best "Skills Challenge" competitor this team has seen. Too bad he didn't do it when it counted. Instead of watching film, he was probably perfecting his "behind the back" passing skills. I'm waiting for the first wet, cold day. When that ball goes in the opposite direction than he meant to throw it. Anybody remember that last game against Washington, 2 seasons ago? You know what I mean. Go Jeff Blake. Go Cardinals.

Nice Post! :thumbup:
 

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Plummer update, if you care

Originally posted by JasonKGME

People seem to want to take the fact that he didnt participate at the Cards program (which by everything I have read is substandard to many other programs), sorry that to me does not make him a person who has not given every effort to succesed. I think anyone can question his on the field performance, but to question his work ethic I for one think that is off base. He has given 100% both on and off the field, how many articles over the years have I read about plummer trying to get together with the recieving core outside of camps to practice together? TONS!

My objection again is Jake was the leader of the team in terms of spotlight and contract. If he felt the program was "substandard", he should have said so. He should have told reporters, done anything he could to force the team to fix the "problem". Simply choosing to not go didn't solve anything.

I got mad at his comments about how well it was done in Denver and then flippantly saying he never attended in Arizona because it was done so poorly. If he felt that way he was the ONE guy on the team who had any power to get something changed, he should have done so if he felt it would impact the team.

I don't know if he watched film or not I have hard time believing he didn't I just can't see a QB playing that poorly for that long being allowed to not watch film, just doesn't ring true.
 

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Originally posted by Russ Smith


I don't know if he watched film or not I have hard time believing he didn't I just can't see a QB playing that poorly for that long being allowed to not watch film, just doesn't ring true.

Hey that's what Jurecki said.....and from watching him play for six years, he looked completely unprepared many times.

Jurecki might've been exaggerating, but I think that there has to be some truth to it, since Jurecki was obviously pissed off reading that article off Broncos.com. Jurecki also said he thought that Jake had really bad vision, since he has talked with Jake many times one-on-one, and he didn't seem to have particularly good vision.
 

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Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Hey that's what Jurecki said.....and from watching him play for six years, he looked completely unprepared many times.

Jurecki might've been exaggerating, but I think that there has to be some truth to it, since Jurecki was obviously pissed off reading that article off Broncos.com. Jurecki also said he thought that Jake had really bad vision, since he has talked with Jake many times one-on-one, and he didn't seem to have particularly good vision.

It could be right but I just can't imagine 6 years of that without anybody forcing him to watch film. You know cuff him to the chair, little clips to hold his eyes open (Clockwork Orange) and play game film until he screams uncle!

As others said every year in camp we read about how good Jake looks, and then the season starts and he falls apart. I never saw him in camp but I just choose to believe Jake is a guy who's pretty good in a camp situation where it's all simulated, but when he gets into real games he just takes way too long to adjust.

He's at his best at the end of the games when he can just wing it.

I don't think he'll be a disaster in Denver, he probably is a better leader than Griese, but I do think they're going to wonder what happened when they see their completion % go down and picks go up.

I think Denver will ultimately agree with us he's an exciting player but not one you want as your starting QB if you intend to be a playoff team.
 
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