Possible Eisley Trades

[cepstrum]

I was looking at salaries and team needs at hoopshype and ive listed a few trades for eisley that could make sense. All of salaries for these players are very similar to that of eisley. I know you're not supposed to trade a small for a big, but it could happen depending on team needs (see Antonio Davis)

Scott Pollard (probably would start at center; bigger jake voskhul)
Indiana might do it because they need a backup for tinsley.

Clearance Weatherspoon (amare/shawn backup)
Houston might do it because they desperately need a pt guard

Joe Smith (amare backup)
I dont think the suns would do it because he has 3 years left (eisley only has 2) and Im not sure that the bucks would do it because he gave them good minutes last year. I do think the bucks need an additional pt guard because of what happened to tj ford last year.

The Kandi Man (starting center)
Ok hear me out here. We would obviously have to include something else like a draft pick, but kandi did very little for minny last year. If they loose hassell, they might be inclined to pick up a backup pt guard. It is definetly a long shot because the wolves need big bodies just as bad as we need them. Who knows though.

Out of all of these, I think only weatherspoon could be dealt straight up. We would have to include other picks/players for the other guys.

 

[elindholm]

Joe Smith: not a freaking chance. He played extremely well last year.

Olowokandi: Aren't the Wolves planning to re-sign Hudson? In any case, if they want to dump Olowokandi, they'll get a better price than that.

Weatherspoon: Could work, but I don't think the Suns want him.

Pollard: Has been discussed before. I think he's probably available if the Suns can put together the right combination of incentives.

 

[scotsman13]

i would like to pull scott pollard away from the pacers. (heck if bird is at the game tonight maybe i'll ask him if he would, hehe j/k i couldnt get within about 5 ft. of him without a couple policemen stopping me). i think that we would have to include a pick or some cash for him.

 

[cepstrum]

Joe Smith: not a freaking chance. He played extremely well last year.

Olowokandi: Aren't the Wolves planning to re-sign Hudson? In any case, if they want to dump Olowokandi, they'll get a better price than that.

Weatherspoon: Could work, but I don't think the Suns want him.

Pollard: Has been discussed before. I think he's probably available if the Suns can put together the right combination of incentives.

Id have to agree with that. My choice would definetly be pollard, but I would be willing to settle for weatherspoon. As far as the other guys, I dont really think that they are realistic, I just threw them in there becase their salaries were similar to eisley's.

 

[elindholm]

Weatherspoon is only 6' 7". His problem his whole career has been that he is too short to play PF and not quick enough to play SF. It's not like he's going to improve any team's interior defense.

If the Suns are going to stoop to that level, they should wait for the Clippers to match on Richardson and then throw $2 million or so at Rodney Rogers.

 

[SweetD]

I would only give Rodney the vet min.

 

[cepstrum]

Weatherspoon is only 6' 7". His problem his whole career has been that he is too short to play PF and not quick enough to play SF. It's not like he's going to improve any team's interior defense.

If the Suns are going to stoop to that level, they should wait for the Clippers to match on Richardson and then throw $2 million or so at Rodney Rogers.

The sad thing is that there is nothing else out there. The suns dont have any backups to amare right outside of vroman. If Q isn't matched, you cant throw 2 mil at rodney rogers and your only shot is trading for someone or signing a vet minimum. As useless as weatherspoon is, he would be more useful than eisley.

 

[George O'Brien]

The sad thing is that there is nothing else out there. The suns dont have any backups to amare right outside of vroman. If Q isn't matched, you cant throw 2 mil at rodney rogers and your only shot is trading for someone or signing a vet minimum. As useless as weatherspoon is, he would be more useful than eisley.

I honestly think Eisley will contribute this season if the Suns don't get Q. His career numbers are a lot better than his Suns numbers and with the Suns he had a very good assist to turnover ratio. Right now I expect they will "showcase" him during the preseason and try to work out a mid season deal for a team that has a despirate need for a PG.

That being said, I would still try to do the Pollard deal because it seems clear he is not in the Pacer's plans.

 

[cepstrum]

I honestly think Eisley will contribute this season if the Suns don't get Q. His career numbers are a lot better than his Suns numbers and with the Suns he had a very good assist to turnover ratio. Right now I expect they will "showcase" him during the preseason and try to work out a mid season deal for a team that has a despirate need for a PG.

That being said, I would still try to do the Pollard deal because it seems clear he is not in the Pacer's plans.

Actually his career numbers are really respectable. Does anyone know why he has so little trade value other than the crappy season with the suns? Is there something that he does that is really bad?

 

[scotsman13]

his salery. he is over paid by a good bit for his production. i am not saying that he is a bad player but i am saying that he isnt even close to the cost of him.

 

[JS22]

I actually wouldnt mind bringing Rogers back to backup Amare. Its not like he was terrible.

 

[Chaz]

the problem I saw with Eisley last season was he can't pass. That is bad for a PG. It seemed like he was so concerned about turnovers he couldn't even drop a pass into the post.

He is really not a bad set shooter all the way out to the 3pt line and he has a good handle. His passing and decision making leaves a lot to be desired. He is way overpaid but he might not be a bad backup PG for some team.

 

[George O'Brien]

the problem I saw with Eisley last season was he can't pass. That is bad for a PG. It seemed like he was so concerned about turnovers he couldn't even drop a pass into the post.

He is really not a bad set shooter all the way out to the 3pt line and he has a good handle. His passing and decision making leaves a lot to be desired. He is way overpaid but he might not be a bad backup PG for some team.

It was reported during the season that Eisley really struggled learning the Suns offense that was so dramatically different than what he saw in New York. His stats would support that since he dropped from 4.7 assists per game playing 22.1 minutes to 3.4 assists with the Suns playing 21.4 minutes.

His shooting fell from a marginal 39.6% with the Knicks to a horrible 34.5% with the Suns. In 2002-03 he shot 41.7% which is was not hugely worse than Marbury at 43.1%.

The point is that on paper Eisley should have been a good pickup. Yes, he was overpriced but he was replacing Hardaway who is even more overpriced. One irony is that Hardaway also played worse after the trade than before as his shooting percentage with the Suns was 44.3% but only 39% with the Knicks.

It is not clear that Eisley will be able to operate in the newly revised Suns/Mavs offense. He did not seem comfortable pushing the ball even as much as Barbosa did, but the Suns will almost certainly push the ball all the time this season. However, I'm sure the Suns will try to get him to adjust at least some rather than just cutting him.

 

[Chaz]

It was reported during the season that Eisley really struggled learning the Suns offense that was so dramatically different than what he saw in New York. His stats would support that since he dropped from 4.7 assists per game playing 22.1 minutes to 3.4 assists with the Suns playing 21.4 minutes.

His shooting fell from a marginal 39.6% with the Knicks to a horrible 34.5% with the Suns. In 2002-03 he shot 41.7% which is was not hugely worse than Marbury at 43.1%.

The point is that on paper Eisley should have been a good pickup. Yes, he was overpriced but he was replacing Hardaway who is even more overpriced. One irony is that Hardaway also played worse after the trade than before as his shooting percentage with the Suns was 44.3% but only 39% with the Knicks.

It is not clear that Eisley will be able to operate in the newly revised Suns/Mavs offense. He did not seem comfortable pushing the ball even as much as Barbosa did, but the Suns will almost certainly push the ball all the time this season. However, I'm sure the Suns will try to get him to adjust at least some rather than just cutting him.

Yea, he did not look comfortable and forced a lot of shots and tried to shoot too much off the dribble.

If they could get him more comfortable in the offense he could get some minutes and not hurt the team.

 

[George O'Brien]

Actually, everybody is going to struggle a bit learning a completely new offense. The tempo is going to much faster than they are used to and players are going to have to be much more aware so that they don't let passes hit them in the back of the head.

 

[fordronken]

Eisley would be good if he didn't think he was the most important player on the floor at all times.

 

[George O'Brien]

Eisley would be good if he didn't think he was the most important player on the floor at all times.

You may be right, but I think that may have been due to not knowing what to do. The Suns offense was mostly "pick and roll" plus "get the ball to Amare which was radically different than the Knicks. I think that putting in a different offensive system will help, although I'm not sure he is going to like pushing it all the time either.

Eisley was at his most effective when playing in Utah for Sloan in a highly structured offense. I'm not sure the new Suns offense will be structured enough for him, but I would think that going through training camp would have to help.

BTW, there is little doubt that Barbosa will struggle with the new offense as well. The key is to be able to see the floor and recognize who is open and ready for the ball INSTANTLY. Making the right decision on the fly at top speed is not easy for someone knew to playing PG. But once he master it, Leandro could become really valuable.

 

[Gaddabout]

The Kandi Man (starting center)
Ok hear me out here. We would obviously have to include something else like a draft pick, but kandi did very little for minny last year. If they loose hassell, they might be inclined to pick up a backup pt guard. It is definetly a long shot because the wolves need big bodies just as bad as we need them. Who knows though.

Out of all of these, I think only weatherspoon could be dealt straight up. We would have to include other picks/players for the other guys.

You would have to include another Suns player in the above proposed trade just to meet the cap requirements. You're about 1 mil off as it is. Both teams would then have to add players: Phoenix, to make the deal approaching even, and Minnesota, to again meet cap requirements. So if Phoenix wanted to send three for a center and toss in, AND if Minnesota were ready to give up on a once promising prospect, the deal MIGHT be possible.

I think we all know Minnesota would rather keep an underperforming center over a career backup point guard.

 

[sunsfn]

Eisley was injured part of the year and shut it down with a few games left. Maybe he was injured when we got him?

Weatherspoon, I don't think so.

Rodney Rogers is not coming back to the suns. He played will for a year and then got a contract and came into camp heavy again and the writing was on the wall.

Pollard would be worth a shot if they could get him. Not sure why he does not play well in Indiana.?