Possible Javy Trade Scenarios

[devilfan02]

Forget Pierre in pinstripes
Nov 14 - The Marlins may trade center fielder Juan Pierre this offseason, but it won't be to the Yankees, The New York Post reports. According to the newspaper, the two teams did not have any talks about Pierre at last week's GM meetings. (from ESPN rumor mill)

Why wouldn't we want to trade Javy to Florida for Pierre????? He's a great leadoff hitter with prob the best speed in baseball and he plays a pretty good CF. It would be perfect for Javy, Puerto Rico is a couple hour flight from Miami. It seems that this would be one of the best trade options out there. It would def fill a couple huge voids we have: An everyday CF and a leadoff hitter with speed. We could move Counsell to the 2 hole which would be perfect. Maybe trade Javy and Tererro for Pierre and a good pitching prospect.

 

[dogpoo32]

Forget Pierre in pinstripes
Nov 14 - The Marlins may trade center fielder Juan Pierre this offseason, but it won't be to the Yankees, The New York Post reports. According to the newspaper, the two teams did not have any talks about Pierre at last week's GM meetings. (from ESPN rumor mill)

Why wouldn't we want to trade Javy to Florida for Pierre????? He's a great leadoff hitter with prob the best speed in baseball and he plays a pretty good CF. It would be perfect for Javy, Puerto Rico is a couple hour flight from Miami. It seems that this would be one of the best trade options out there. It would def fill a couple huge voids we have: An everyday CF and a leadoff hitter with speed. We could move Counsell to the 2 hole which would be perfect. Maybe trade Javy and Tererro for Pierre and a good pitching prospect.

Sounds good to me. We need a guy other than Terrero who is a threat bunting. Pierre can fly and stolen bases have been scarce lately.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

Forget Pierre in pinstripes
Nov 14 - The Marlins may trade center fielder Juan Pierre this offseason, but it won't be to the Yankees, The New York Post reports. According to the newspaper, the two teams did not have any talks about Pierre at last week's GM meetings. (from ESPN rumor mill)

Why wouldn't we want to trade Javy to Florida for Pierre????? He's a great leadoff hitter with prob the best speed in baseball and he plays a pretty good CF. It would be perfect for Javy, Puerto Rico is a couple hour flight from Miami. It seems that this would be one of the best trade options out there. It would def fill a couple huge voids we have: An everyday CF and a leadoff hitter with speed. We could move Counsell to the 2 hole which would be perfect. Maybe trade Javy and Tererro for Pierre and a good pitching prospect.

I agree, a Vazquez for Pierre deal would be mutually beneficial.

It looks more and more likely every day that AJ Burnett has pitched his last game as a Marlin, which leaves a void for an inning eating starter. They don't need a #1, I think Willis and Beckett can safely assume those roles.

Arizona in the meanwhile desperately needs a top of the order base stealing terror. A CF is also needed, and Pierre is still young enough (28) to where he can make an impact for a few years while some of the younger kids find their way.

Pierre and Josh Johnson for Vazquez and Terrerro sounds good to me.

 

[devilfan02]

Agreed. Burnett is def gone. He pretty much got kicked off the team at the end of the season and is now searching for a 5 year contract that the Marlins won't look into. IMO, it seems the marlins are trying to dump salary as they are letting Burnett walk and they are shopping Pierre and Delgado. I can see why they are looking into trading Pierre (I'm pretty sure his contract is close to being up) but I don't get why they would want to trade Delgado after such a good year. Maybe theres somethin we don't know. The Marlins NEED another starter and their known for having rubber arms on their staff, which Javy is. Beckett, Willis, and Burnett are all known for throwing CG's. However, Beckett is ALWAYS hurt with the blisters and Javy could slide right into that rotation and eat up tons of innings. Plus, he'll be much happier in Little Cuba which might turn into better results. On our side, an every day center fielder and a leadoff hitter are towards the top of the to-do list. Pierre knocks both of those needs out and we can turn our attention to pitching. I saw Pierre made 3.5 mill last year but I can't find when his contract is up.... Maybe both teams can agree on sign and trade deals for Javy and Pierre. I think we should throw Terrero in and get a pitching prospect off them. Anyway, I think this trade would be great for both teams and would love to see Pierre in Purple and Black

 

[devilfan02]

I agree, a Vazquez for Pierre deal would be mutually beneficial.

It looks more and more likely every day that AJ Burnett has pitched his last game as a Marlin, which leaves a void for an inning eating starter. They don't need a #1, I think Willis and Beckett can safely assume those roles.

Arizona in the meanwhile desperately needs a top of the order base stealing terror. A CF is also needed, and Pierre is still young enough (28) to where he can make an impact for a few years while some of the younger kids find their way.

Pierre and Josh Johnson for Vazquez and Terrerro sounds good to me.

I can easily see Pierre blowing his SB and R totals from last year out of the water (if in AZ). Do to our lack of clutch hitters and/or timely hits, whenever Pierre gets on base he will get the green light everytime. We all know how badly we need to manufacture runs and with Pierre we could do that much more effectively.

PIERRE IN '06

 

[Espo]

This sounds like a good deal. I would love to see a guy who is a legitament threat to steal a base everytime he gets on. The last guy I remember the diamondbacks having that was like that was Tony Womack when he originally came over from Pittsburgh. That could go a long way to getting this team back to the playoffs.

 

[cardsfan22]

no thanks to this deal. I want to see Carlos Quinton in CF. We already have a log jam at first. We need to start playing our young guys



And i think Florida is dumping payroll and taking on Vazquez wont help

 

[Phill11]

no thanks to this deal. I want to see Carlos Quinton in CF. We already have a log jam at first. We need to start playing our young guys



And i think Florida is dumping payroll and taking on Vazquez wont help

I'd rather see Quentin in RF though.

Here's my "lineup"

1B- Clark
2B- Counsell
3B- Tracy
SS- FA
LF- Jackson
CF- Pierre
RF- Quentin

That's the lineup I'd like. Of course it means unloading, Gonzo, Glaus, Green. Which is near impossible. It's possible to have both Quentin and Pierre though.

 

[devilfan02]

no thanks to this deal. I want to see Carlos Quinton in CF. We already have a log jam at first. We need to start playing our young guys



And i think Florida is dumping payroll and taking on Vazquez wont help

Why can't Carlos play LF?????? I see this being Gonzo's last year in AZ. Hopefully Gonzo has a big first half so we can trade him at all star break to an AL contender for some decent value. There's NO WAY you can pass on a young established major leaguer who steals 50+ bags a year, 100+ runs a year, .350 + OBP for a leadoff hitter, etc................... We all know Quentin has tons of potential but you can't pass on a guy like Pierre and hope Carlos fulfills his potential (plus its not like were trading Carlos for him). Look what Podsednik did for the Sox. They had the same pitching staff a year before (which didn't make the playoffs) but they added a guy with speed in the field and on the bases and they were able to manufacture runs, which may have pushed them over the top. Basically every time guys like Pierre and Podsednik get a walk or a single, it's as good as a double or triple cause they will steal a bag almost every time they get on. As for the salary, the Marlins might not do it but you never know what they can work out. We can throw em some cash or take on a player of theirs. I know Pierre made 3.5 mill last year and I'm not sure what he's due. We'll see what our new GM can do but Pierre would be a huge addition.

PIERRE IN '06

 

[devilfan02]

I'd rather see Quentin in RF though.

Here's my "lineup"

1B- Clark
2B- Counsell
3B- Tracy
SS- FA
LF- Jackson
CF- Pierre
RF- Quentin

That's the lineup I'd like. Of course it means unloading, Gonzo, Glaus, Green. Which is near impossible. It's possible to have both Quentin and Pierre though.

Assuming Glaus doesn't get traded

1B- Clark/Jackson (Clark most likely won't have a year like last season. If he struggles, ink Jackson as the starter and use clark as the primary PH and 1B when Jackson needs a day off).

2B- Counsell
3B- Glaus (If Glaus goes, I don't want to see Tracy at 3rd. He's way too shaky. I'd almost rather see counsell there)
SS- FA or Stephen Drew. (Drew tore through the minors and dominated the recently completed Arizona Fall League. He'll get the invite to spring training,hopefully he makes the roster. He was supposed to be a #1 pick but dropped to us at 15 cause of Borass.
LF- Gonzo for now/Quentin soon.
CF- Pierre. (WOULD BE A HUGE ADDITION. He would completely change how opposing teams would have to play us. I hate playing against him).
RF- Tracy and Green
C- Hernandez via FA/ Snyder backup

 

[overseascardfan]

As much as I would like to see Pierre in a D'back uni I'd prefer to get some quality young arms for him since we don't have any that are ready to step into our rotation. I also have read somewhere that Boston might be shopping Clement to make room for Burnett. I would trade for Clement if we trade away Javy. Finally for everyone who thinks we won't get much for Javy, he is now the best pitcher on the market ahead of Burnett and everyone else partly due to the fact that all the top FA pitchers have Boras as their agent and he said all of them will be looking for top dollar deals.

 

[Espo]

no thanks to this deal. I want to see Carlos Quinton in CF. We already have a log jam at first. We need to start playing our young guys



And i think Florida is dumping payroll and taking on Vazquez wont help

I spent an entire summer watching Carlos down here in Tucson and well he is servicable in center he is a much better right or left fielder. I think Pierre would add another demention to this team and that Carlos might be another year away anyways. He is a guy who tends to get down on himself and when he slumps he slumps big time. He needs to learn to enjoy the game more and accept that he isn't always going to crush the ball. He is still young and it shows in his maturity at times.

 

[KingLouieLouie]

I had written a long message earlier, however, for what odd reason it wouldnt allow me to post from that computer terminal....

Anyways...I would be very enamored w/the Dbacks acquiring Pierre, but I too am uncertain that the Marlins would want to take on his lucrative deal...especially since they have a few other starting pitching prospects that are poised to make an immediate impact... The following player though would be a slight consolation prize:

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5085956

The Diamondbacks, another team looking to improve in center, could renew their pursuit of Cameron if they trade right-hander Javier Vazquez, who is guaranteed $24 million over the next two seasons. The D-Backs' manager Bob Melvin, managed Cameron with the Mariners in 2003, and their new GM, Josh Byrnes, was part of the Red Sox's front office that targeted Cameron last summer. It's doubtful the Diamondbacks would trade Chad Tracy, but they've got interesting young arms and several top position prospects to offer.

Cameron still has at least 3 years left that he could perform at his peak level and would occupy all the voids that the Dbacks are in dire need to fill.. someone who is a solid lead-off hitter, possesses blistering speed on the basepaths, and is a gold glove calibre OF....The drawback though that he does tend to lack discipline at the plate and has had some injuries over the past couple of seasons, but none that would detract away from him in the long-term.... Also, the Mets wouldnt specifically target Tracy since the Mets have Dave Wright (who is on the verge of being a super-star) at 3B, but might be inclined to accept either Cintron or Hairston since Matsui has been a major disappointment for them or perhaps even Luis Terrero... I am not certain what pitching prospects the Dbacks would be willing to part with and of course the Mets would have to package some mid-tier prospects of their own...

The sooner the Dbacks manage to trade Vazquez the better since they would know how much to ante-up to spend on someone like Millwood or Matt Morris to fill the vacancy of Vazquez and they still might be able to afford a back of the rotation inning-eater.....

Even within keep their payroll at $65 mil, they still can manage to obtain Brad Ausmus who is a solid defensive catcher and has a keen sense on handling any pitching staff which does compensate for his lack of offense.... Perhaps also a Damion Easley or Rich Aurilia could be had at a bargain basement price as a stop-gap until Stephen Drew is ready to become the every day SS at the ML level....

There are obviously several closers available on the FA market, but I still envision them re-signing Worrell and Buddy Groom and adding a Bobby Howry to the mix would be quite an upgrade..

Would all of this equal them winning the NL West in '06? Not completely certain since it seems the Giants might be the team to beat (with Barry bound to have some solid numbers), but these moves would bode well for the Dbacks long-term since they wouldnt be sacrificing any of their uber prospects or wasting away on several long-term deals in the process....

 

[cardsfan22]

I think Pierre is a great player,but i do not want him on the D-backs roster. I do not think that we are going to deal Gonzo,Green,and Glaus,not a chance.To me,06 should be the year we get ready for 07,when Tracy,Drew,Jackson,and Quinton are all ready to go and upton is a year or 2 away. We need to Trade Glaus and move Tracy back to third and put him there the whole year and let him play. I want to see these young guys play. Trading for Pierre would only delay the development of Carlos Quinton

If somehow we end up trading 2 of the big three then i do not have a prob with pierre being here, Quinton and pierre would be in the lineup at the same time. If i have to choose between Pierre and Quinton.......please,for the love of god,let the young guys play

 

[devilfan02]

I think Pierre is a great player,but i do not want him on the D-backs roster. I do not think that we are going to deal Gonzo,Green,and Glaus,not a chance.To me,06 should be the year we get ready for 07,when Tracy,Drew,Jackson,and Quinton are all ready to go and upton is a year or 2 away. We need to Trade Glaus and move Tracy back to third and put him there the whole year and let him play. I want to see these young guys play. Trading for Pierre would only delay the development of Carlos Quinton

If somehow we end up trading 2 of the big three then i do not have a prob with pierre being here, Quinton and pierre would be in the lineup at the same time. If i have to choose between Pierre and Quinton.......please,for the love of god,let the young guys play

Move tracy back to 3rd?????? Did you watch him TRY and play 3rd two seasons ago???? He was horrible at 3rd and should only be used in emergency situations. However, we do need his bat in the lineup. I still don't understand the concept of passing up a proven MLB player in Pierre (who, by the way, is only 27 years old) in hopes of our prosects panning out. Gonzo will be gone in a year, if not earlier, and our prospects will get their shot then. Carlos will be way more effective in left as he is not a CF. Plus, we might not even sign Upton....... Our inept front office won't give the first pick in the draft the 1 mill more he wants. Give me a break, the kids gonna be awesome. As for Pierre, he would bring WAY too much to the table for us to pass on simply because we want to give our prospects a shot.

PIERRE IN '06

 

[devilfan02]

Whatever we do, STAY AWAY FROM CAMERON! Plus, I think he already got traded to SD. He's old, not very good, and is expensive. No thanks

 

[Diamondback Jay]

Actually, I think Quentin is better suited for LF, and should split time with Gonzo this season.

We don't have a true CF as of now (I think Terrerro COULD be that guy but he's too immature) and Pierre could fill that void. Also, for the "youth", Pierre just turned 28. He's no dinosaur by any means.

As for Kevin Millwood, I'm split on him. In a staff where he's surrounded with good pitchers, he blends in just fine. But when he's expected to be the man, he wilts.

 

[devilfan02]

Actually, I think Quentin is better suited for LF, and should split time with Gonzo this season.

We don't have a true CF as of now (I think Terrerro COULD be that guy but he's too immature) and Pierre could fill that void. Also, for the "youth", Pierre just turned 28. He's no dinosaur by any means.

As for Kevin Millwood, I'm split on him. In a staff where he's surrounded with good pitchers, he blends in just fine. But when he's expected to be the man, he wilts.

I said the same things about Quentin and Pierre. Pierre is cheap, relatively young at 28, plays a great CF, is a great leadoff hitter.............. He would seem to fit in perfectly here. Quentin is not a CF and will move into left in a year which is when he'll be ready anyways and will also be when Gonzo is gone. No thanks to Millwood. He will be too expensive due to the lackluster FA pitching market and he has Russ Ortiz written all over him. UGHHHHHHH

PIERRE IN '06

 

[cardsfan22]

Move tracy back to 3rd?????? Did you watch him TRY and play 3rd two seasons ago???? He was horrible at 3rd and should only be used in emergency situations. However, we do need his bat in the lineup. I still don't understand the concept of passing up a proven MLB player in Pierre (who, by the way, is only 27 years old) in hopes of our prosects panning out. Gonzo will be gone in a year, if not earlier, and our prospects will get their shot then. Carlos will be way more effective in left as he is not a CF. Plus, we might not even sign Upton....... Our inept front office won't give the first pick in the draft the 1 mill more he wants. Give me a break, the kids gonna be awesome. As for Pierre, he would bring WAY too much to the table for us to pass on simply because we want to give our prospects a shot.

PIERRE IN '06

The concept is Quinton next to nothing Salary to Pierre almost 4 mill a year salary.And i like Pierre,but we need to give these kids a chance folks. i see people on this board all the time talking about these free agents and what we should spend on these guys?????????????????????????WE DONT HAVE ANY $$$$$$$$$$!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!We need to dump Vazquez and one of the big three,save the money, play these young guys, Gonzo will be gone after next year,and then with almost 30 mill gone of the payroll from 1 year, go hard into free agency next season. And with us playing these young kids, we will have a better understanding of what we need next year. Everyone wants to go get a CF when we may not need one. All i am saying is lets find out first. Everyone overblows the whole Tracy at third thing. He is the best bat on the team and ,imho, his bat makes up for any thing he does at third.

We had the worst offseason in baseball last year throwing 60 million $ around to BUMS. PLEASE REDUCE THE PAYROLL AND LETS,FOR ONCE,FIND OUT WHAT WE HAVE IN THE SYSTEM.

 

[overseascardfan]

The concept is Quinton next to nothing Salary to Pierre almost 4 mill a year salary.And i like Pierre,but we need to give these kids a chance folks. i see people on this board all the time talking about these free agents and what we should spend on these guys?????????????????????????WE DONT HAVE ANY $$$$$$$$$$!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!We need to dump Vazquez and one of the big three,save the money, play these young guys, Gonzo will be gone after next year,and then with almost 30 mill gone of the payroll from 1 year, go hard into free agency next season. And with us playing these young kids, we will have a better understanding of what we need next year. Everyone wants to go get a CF when we may not need one. All i am saying is lets find out first. Everyone overblows the whole Tracy at third thing. He is the best bat on the team and ,imho, his bat makes up for any thing he does at third.

We had the worst offseason in baseball last year throwing 60 million $ around to BUMS. PLEASE REDUCE THE PAYROLL AND LETS,FOR ONCE,FIND OUT WHAT WE HAVE IN THE SYSTEM.

I totally agree. I think the only free agents we should go after are a catcher and reliever. Gonzalez is gone after next year and we should accept only prospects for Vazquez. Keep Glaus and Green and play them at 3rd and RF. Let Tracy platoon w/ Gonzo in LF and bring up Quentin to play CF.

2006 free agents of interest:
CF - Juan Pierre
SP - Barry Zito, Jon Garland, Mark Mulder (did he sign extension w/Cards), Pettite, Adam Eaton, Randy Wolf

 

[devilfan02]

The concept is Quinton next to nothing Salary to Pierre almost 4 mill a year salary.And i like Pierre,but we need to give these kids a chance folks. i see people on this board all the time talking about these free agents and what we should spend on these guys?????????????????????????WE DONT HAVE ANY $$$$$$$$$$!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!We need to dump Vazquez and one of the big three,save the money, play these young guys, Gonzo will be gone after next year,and then with almost 30 mill gone of the payroll from 1 year, go hard into free agency next season. And with us playing these young kids, we will have a better understanding of what we need next year. Everyone wants to go get a CF when we may not need one. All i am saying is lets find out first. Everyone overblows the whole Tracy at third thing. He is the best bat on the team and ,imho, his bat makes up for any thing he does at third.

We had the worst offseason in baseball last year throwing 60 million $ around to BUMS. PLEASE REDUCE THE PAYROLL AND LETS,FOR ONCE,FIND OUT WHAT WE HAVE IN THE SYSTEM.

First of all, Pierre is not a FA. Second, 3.5 million for a player of his caliber is nothing. Your talking about payroll, well our front office threw 70 mill at nothing last season. We can only improve our team this offseason through trades. The FA market is thin, bad, and expensive. Dumping 12 million in Javy and only picking up 3.5 mill in Pierre seems pretty logical to me. He one of the best CF's in the game and is obviously one of the best leadoff hitters. I'd rather see this trade than get prospects. Out front office has proven to be horrible at signing FA and I'm not gonna give our new GM the benefit of the doubt yet. I don't need to give my view on Pierre's ability and why he would be great for this team but this is BY FAR the best trade out there. As for Tracy at third, NO! One of the main reasons we didnt lose more games this year was because our infield defense was much improved. Tracy was AWFUL at third and cintron was bad at SS as well. The addition of Clayton and Counsell helped up the middle, along with Glaus at third, helped tons. While Tracy is one of the best bats on our roster, third base is not for him.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Whatever we do, STAY AWAY FROM CAMERON! Plus, I think he already got traded to SD. He's old, not very good, and is expensive. No thanks

And Juan Pierre is great? Mike Cameron never has a good batting average (which Byrnes won't care about anyways), but he always hits for power, takes a lot of pitches, gets on base, and plays some of the best CF defense in baseball. He may be a few years older, but all th8ings being equal I'd take him over Juan Pierre any day of the week.

And why are people so against playing Tracy at 3B? While his defense was below average there in 2003, it was better than the "defense" he played in the outfield. And with Conor is stuck at 1B unless we can dump the contract of the has-been in LF, Tracy has nowhere else to go. Honestly, I can live with below average defense from a 3B who's hitting 27 HRs.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

And why are people so against playing Tracy at 3B? While his defense was below average there in 2003, it was better than the "defense" he played in the outfield. And with Conor is stuck at 1B unless we can dump the contract of the has-been in LF, Tracy has nowhere else to go. Honestly, I can live with below average defense from a 3B who's hitting 27 HRs.

Totally agree, if I was gm, I would have Connor and Tracy at both corners every game and forget about geriatrics like Clark and Green who have no future with this team anyway. Blow everything up like you did last year, and bring in young players that compliment the ridiculous amount of offensive talent that we've gathered.