Post-Combine Top 20

[Mitch]

Here are the players I believe will be drafted in the Top 20.

Note: What the Combine does is it shows the coaches the things in players they can't teach: size, speed, and agility---strength can be added in time, but it certainly applies to the draft stock of players like T Mike Adams who can't bench press more than 20 reps at this point.

NFL Coaches are big on taking players with the things they can't teach and grooming them with the things they can teach (fundamentals, strength, leverage, pursuit angles, etc.) into excellent pros. But coaches love having talent on their side---so---now that some of the boys have been separated from the men, here goes:

QB (3): Luck, RGIII, Tannehill

RB (1): Richardson

OL (3): Kalil, DeCastro, Glenn

WR (3): Blackmon, Floyd, Hill

DT (4): Brockers, Still, Poe, Cox

LB (3): Keuchly, Coples, Perry

DB (3): Claiborne, Jenkins, Barron

Best Chance to Be Taken in the Top 10:

1. Luck
2. RGIII
3. Kalil
4. Claiborne
5. DeCastro
6. Brockers
7. Still
8. Blackmon
9. Tannehill
10. Jenkins

First Man Out of Top 20: Melvin Ingram, OLB/DE, South Carolina

Fallers:

LB Upshaw
WR Wright
T Reiff
CB Kirkpatrick
T Adams

 

[Crazy Canuck]

SCOUTS Inc. – Todd McShay - post combine top 32

1. Andrew Luck
2. Robert Griffin III
3. Matt Kalil
4. Trent Richardson
5. Morris Claiborne
6. Melvin Ingram
7. Michael Brockers
8. Justin Blackmon
9. Luke Kuechly
10. Riley Reiff
11. Quinton Coples
12. Mark Barron
13. Ryan Tannehill
14. Dontari Poe
15. Janoris Jenkins
16. David DeCastro
17. Courtney Upshaw
18. Fletcher Cox
19. Michael Floyd
20. Dre Kirkpatrick
21. Cordy Glenn
22. Kendall Wright
23. Mike Adams
24. Jonathan Martin
25. Jerel Worthy
26. Andre Branch
27. Peter Konz
28. Devon Still
29. Brock Osweiler
30. Chandler Jones
31. Lamar Miller
32. Dont'a Hightower

Out of the rankings: USC DE Nick Perry, Stanford TE Coby Fleener, Clemson DT Brandon Thompson.

 

[Snakester]

I fully expect us to take Decastro at 13. Both Reiff and Martin may be the pick as well but I expect both of them to be taken before we pick. I think Decastro will be there for us.

 

[JeffGollin]

I think Richardson will be gone early and (reading the tea leaves) if he was there at #13, Graves might be crazy enough to draft him. (...Nah!)

I think Reiff may be overrated by all of us (at least as a LT)

I'm leery of Penn State highly rated prospects like Still (They're more likely to be duds, and just when you dismiss one of their dudes as such, they turn out to be good).

All of the top 3 DE's/OLBs (Coples, Ingram, Upshaw) scare me in one way or another.

Keenan Robinson, Carder and Hightower are intriguing - possible steals if they slip to the 2nd round and Grand Larceny should any of them,fall to us in the 3rd.

 

[WildBB]

I think Richardson will be gone early and (reading the tea leaves) if he was there at #13, Graves might be crazy enough to draft him. (...Nah!)

People would be knocking our door down with offers.

I think Reiff may be overrated by all of us (at least as a LT)

People vary on him. Mostly I hear he's the smoothest of the tackles right now. Very prepared.

I'm leery of Penn State highly rated prospects like Still (They're more likely to be duds, and just when you dismiss one of their dudes as such, they turn out to be good).

Isn't that the truth. He may have something to prove and restore PSU's rep.

All of the top 3 DE's/OLBs (Coples, Ingram, Upshaw) scare me in one way or another.

Nick Perry on the rise.

Keenan Robinson, Carder and Hightower are intriguing - possible steals if they slip to the 2nd round and Grand Larceny should any of them,fall to us in the 3rd.

If we pass on Keuchly, there are some decent alternatives. Tank Carder should be available after the 3rd round. Nigel Bradham from Fla. St. who could play inside or outside is intriguing in the 3rd round!

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/rating...=2012&GenPos=OLB&sortorder=LastName&order=ASC

 

[john h]

Here are the players I believe will be drafted in the Top 20.

Note: What the Combine does is it shows the coaches the things in players they can't teach: size, speed, and agility---strength can be added in time, but it certainly applies to the draft stock of players like T Mike Adams who can't bench press more than 20 reps at this point.

NFL Coaches are big on taking players with the things they can't teach and grooming them with the things they can teach (fundamentals, strength, leverage, pursuit angles, etc.) into excellent pros. But coaches love having talent on their side---so---now that some of the boys have been separated from the men, here goes:

QB (3): Luck, RGIII, Tannehill

RB (1): Richardson

OL (3): Kalil, DeCastro, Glenn

WR (3): Blackmon, Floyd, Hill

DT (4): Brockers, Still, Poe, Cox

LB (3): Keuchly, Coples, Perry

DB (3): Claiborne, Jenkins, Barron

Best Chance to Be Taken in the Top 10:

1. Luck
2. RGIII
3. Kalil
4. Claiborne
5. DeCastro
6. Brockers
7. Still
8. Blackmon
9. Tannehill
10. Jenkins

First Man Out of Top 20: Melvin Ingram, OLB/DE, South Carolina

Fallers:

LB Upshaw
WR Wright
T Reiff
CB Kirkpatrick
T Adams

Mitch: I see you left Richardson out of your top ten to be drafted. I can see him going in the top 5. If he were there at #13 I assume you would pass? He is a difference maker and not one who will take 2-3 years to develop. He arrives on campus with all the skills he needs and is ready for bear. Most linemen are going to take a few years to be a real big help and I recognize we do need lineman on both sides of the ball. If you believe in taking the BPA then if he is there at #13 my guess is he will be the BPA according to Mel Kipper and his fellow gurus. I am no Alabama fan but got to watch him much of the season as I live in SEC land. He is not just another good RB. I think he is a future all pro if he stays healthy. We have one good RB in Beenie. If he gets hurt we become a passing team. Many, if not most NFL teams are now going with two good RBs and not running one guy to death. We do need a RB as well as lineman so what if the best player is a RB do we still draft a lineman? I do not even know if the Cards have a philosophy of drafting for need or BPA. I have read several NFL coaches say if a real good QB shows up when you pick you always take him as you can never have to many good QB's. You can do what Washington did to us and trade one away for a good starter and a 2nd round pick.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Mitch: I see you left Richardson out of your top ten to be drafted. I can see him going in the top 5. If he were there at #13 I assume you would pass? He is a difference maker and not one who will take 2-3 years to develop. He arrives on campus with all the skills he needs and is ready for bear. Most linemen are going to take a few years to be a real big help and I recognize we do need lineman on both sides of the ball. If you believe in taking the BPA then if he is there at #13 my guess is he will be the BPA according to Mel Kipper and his fellow gurus. I am no Alabama fan but got to watch him much of the season as I live in SEC land. He is not just another good RB. I think he is a future all pro if he stays healthy. We have one good RB in Beenie. If he gets hurt we become a passing team. Many, if not most NFL teams are now going with two good RBs and not running one guy to death. We do need a RB as well as lineman so what if the best player is a RB do we still draft a lineman? I do not even know if the Cards have a philosophy of drafting for need or BPA. I have read several NFL coaches say if a real good QB shows up when you pick you always take him as you can never have to many good QB's. You can do what Washington did to us and trade one away for a good starter and a 2nd round pick.

We have a number #2 from last year's draft: Ryan Williams

(Can't imagine that he'll be there at #13, but, if so, we have something of value to trade down with, that allows the Cards to pick up assets that are actually needed)

 

[JeffGollin]

Call me crazy, but I think there's enough quality depth in the top 20 - 25 players in the 1st round to make it a 50-50 possibility that we'll trade down to pick up our missing 2nd round pick (main obstacle being the willingness of another team to trade up to #13).

Rationale - Lots of teams are running a wide variety of different offensive and defensive systems this year - creating all kinds of weird matchup challenges and varying position prototypes.

This, in turn, creates greater opportunities for more players who have incomplete skill-sets but one or more freakish dominant attributes that one or two teams are looking for.

This figures to make the latter part of round one thru round 4 really interesting because team preferences and player evaluations are all over the lot.

For this reason, I think Rod G tries to trade out of #13 unless someone we really love falls to us.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Call me crazy, but I think there's enough quality depth in the top 20 - 25 players in the 1st round to make it a 50-50 possibility that we'll trade down to pick up our missing 2nd round pick (main obstacle being the willingness of another team to trade up to #13).

Rationale - Lots of teams are running a wide variety of different offensive and defensive systems this year - creating all kinds of weird matchup challenges and varying position prototypes.

This, in turn, creates greater opportunities for more players who have incomplete skill-sets but one or more freakish dominant attributes that one or two teams are looking for.

This figures to make the latter part of round one thru round 4 really interesting because team preferences and player evaluations are all over the lot.

For this reason, I think Rod G tries to trade out of #13 unless someone we really love falls to us.

We won't pass on a guy that we can plug in on day one, but, I can see a number of scenarios where someone will covet a player at #13 and give something up to get there. When you consider the problems Philly had a LB last season, I can easily imagine them wanting to move up for Kuechly.

 

[bg7brd]

If the Browns don't move up for RGIII, they might want to move up for Richardson (assuming they take Blackmon at 4). Their 21 and 36 are pretty close in value to pick to 13.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

If the Browns don't move up for RGIII, they might want to move up for Richardson (assuming they take Blackmon at 4). Their 21 and 36 are pretty close in value to pick to 13.

There is no such thing as value (points) with the new CBA. It's simply what you can get.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

There is no such thing as value (points) with the new CBA. It's simply what you can get.

Where are you getting that from? It's not an absolute but still a pretty good guide for assessing draft position value. In fact the new CBA should increase the value of the top picks because the contractual issues will be less daunting.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Where are you getting that from? It's not an absolute but still a pretty good guide for assessing draft position value. In fact the new CBA should increase the value of the top picks because the contractual issues will be less daunting.

It comes from Michael Lombardi and from other former front office personnel.

 

[bg7brd]

Where are you getting that from? It's not an absolute but still a pretty good guide for assessing draft position value. In fact the new CBA should increase the value of the top picks because the contractual issues will be less daunting.

I agree. I used the old chart but added more value to the higher pick.

 

[splitsecond]

lol at Osweiler still being on McShay's list.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

It comes from Michael Lombardi and from other former front office personnel.

see, that's your mistake .

 

[kerouac9]

There's zero chance that no defensive ends go in the Top 20 picks. There hasn't been a year when a DE failed to get chosen in the Top 10 since 2005 (DeMarcus Ware, 11th), and the last time a defensive end failed to get drafted before pick 20 was 1999 (Ebenezer Ekuban).

With such an emphasis in the passing game and the necessity to get after the passer (It's a copycat league, and the reigning Super Bowl Champions have three pass rushing ends), someone is going to reach up and get one or two defensive ends.

 

[Chopper0080]

There's zero chance that no defensive ends go in the Top 20 picks. There hasn't been a year when a DE failed to get chosen in the Top 10 since 2005 (DeMarcus Ware, 11th), and the last time a defensive end failed to get drafted before pick 20 was 1999 (Ebenezer Ekuban).

With such an emphasis in the passing game and the necessity to get after the passer (It's a copycat league, and the reigning Super Bowl Champions have three pass rushing ends), someone is going to reach up and get one or two defensive ends.

Nick Perry is a NFL 4-3 DE. I hoped that he might be able to convert into a 3-4 OLB, but watching him in drills at the combine, it's not going to happen.

Honestly, I don't even remember him doing the linebacker drills.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Nick Perry is a NFL 4-3 DE. I hoped that he might be able to convert into a 3-4 OLB, but watching him in drills at the combine, it's not going to happen.

Honestly, I don't even remember him doing the linebacker drills.

I agree. I thought he'd be an ideal pick for the Cards but he's probably not going to convert to OLB very well. He's kind of like the safety out of USC last year, Taylor Mays, in that he's a great athlete but has little fluidness or change of direction skills.

 

[john h]

We have a number #2 from last year's draft: Ryan Williams

(Can't imagine that he'll be there at #13, but, if so, we have something of value to trade down with, that allows the Cards to pick up assets that are actually needed)

I keep forgetting that we have Ryan Williams as he has never played. I do hope he comes back in good shape and is what we thought he was when we drafted him. If the Cards still think he was worth what he was when we drafted him then I can see us passing on Richardson. Or can I? This guy to me is just to awesome to pass on and that is why he want be there when we pick so I do not have to worry.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I keep forgetting that we have Ryan Williams as he has never played. I do hope he comes back in good shape and is what we thought he was when we drafted him. If the Cards still think he was worth what he was when we drafted him then I can see us passing on Richardson. Or can I? This guy to me is just to awesome to pass on and that is why he want be there when we pick so I do not have to worry.

Not that I think for a moment that Richardson will be there at #13, if he was, possibilities open: Trade back; pick him and trade Beanie.

 

[john h]

I agree. I used the old chart but added more value to the higher pick.

Is this sort of like the Billy Beene philosophy in baseball picks. When it comes to athletes I think a computer is better suited to show what a guy did in the past than what he will do in the future.

How does a guy like Kurt Warner not even get drafted then when he does he becomes an All Pro and probable Hall of Fame QB. Even more crazy is his last team thinks he is washed up then throws him to the wolves or the Cards and he becomes an all pro once again. People sure had a way of misjudging Kurt Warner over the years. He could probably have played another two productive years in the NFL if he wanted to. Many of our own posters thought he was a waste of money when we signed him. Personally I did not know what we had signed other than he had been an amazing QB with the greatest show on earth in St Louis.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Not that I think for a moment that Richardson will be there at #13, if he was, possibilities open: Trade back; pick him and trade Beanie.

Cue the Bean Stalker.

Steve