Proposed Rule: 15-yard Penalty for Using the N-Word

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The head of the Fritz Pollard Alliance, which monitors diversity in the NFL, expects the league to institute a rule where players would be penalized 15 yards for using the N-word on the field.

John Wooten, the head of the Fritz Pollard Alliance, anticipates that the NFL's competition committee will enact the rule at the owners' meeting next month.

"We did talk about it, I'm sure that you saw near the end of the year that Fritz Pollard (Alliance) came out very strong with the message that the league needs to do something about the language on the field," said Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome, who is on the league's competition committee. "So we did discuss over the last three days."

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That`s all fine and dandy as long as the rule covers ALL racial slurs.A slur is a slur no matter what color the person is uttering the insult.
 

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You can't do that. That's just un-American. I understand all the stuff that comes along with that word but you do have the right to say it.

Players will police themselves.
 

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You can't do that. That's just un-American. I understand all the stuff that comes along with that word but you do have the right to say it.

Players will police themselves.

Sure you can do it, just like your boss can fire you for using a racial slur. The NFL is a company, not a government building or public property. It has the right to tell it's employees what is an isn't acceptable conduct while working there.
 

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The officials have a ton of stuff to worry about, and to be honest they were not very good last year. They have plenty of things to worry about correcting. I am against this rule, because it is putting even more on their plate to enforce. They can't hear everything in a loud stadium, so there is a good chance the second person responding with the "N" word will get nailed for the 15 yard penalty and the initial insult will not get heard.
 

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Will this be reviewable or left up to the official's discretion? ;). Time to hire some lip readers to go along with the tattoo experts.

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Sure you can do it, just like your boss can fire you for using a racial slur. The NFL is a company, not a government building or public property. It has the right to tell it's employees what is an isn't acceptable conduct while working there.

You guys are actually both right. You have the right to say what you want and the company has the right to fine you the way it wants. Personally, with such a large percentage of blacks playing in the NFL and the word being so much part of the vernacular...good luck on that. Also, do they mean penalize for a jovial use of it between two black players, or friendly and unfriendly (they have to do both because how are some of the refs going to know at times). The very act of penalizing for a word in a contact sport is DUMB! The 'F' word can easily be thrown in then next and what? are they going to penalize players who are getting hit by human missiles where one is nailed in a moment or hurt on a play and you have no control over what comes out of your mouth in a moment of intense pain. To sum it up, how can you penalize for words in a physical sport where concussions take place. I can see players now adapting to "Gosh darn it my bud, that smarts!" lol
 

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Lastly, who is this new rule for? Surely not for the fans since we are unable to hear most things said on the field and I doubt the players are offended to a point they have complained about it. So, it would be a penalty because it offends the refs :)
 

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Personally I don't like this. It's not what they are trying to take away, it's that in reality they would have to legislate every slur and curse word, and I think that's wrong. Picking and choosing won't work.

While there is no constitutional protection of free speech at work, that doesn't mean the league should fill that vacuum with asinine internal rules. The league is putting too much legislation in the heads of the players to worry about. Let them play football.

I think it's absolutely dangerous for anyone to say since X doesn't prevent it, then we should load up to the gills on Y. So the constitution doesn't protect this does not mean we should be legislated in every way not specified as protected by the constitution. It's not a green light. Sadly many think it is, and that's NOT how the US was supposed to be governed.

It's not a black and white issue (no pun intended), where just because the rights aren't spelled out it's okay that someone institute rules against it. It's shades of grey. This is a grey area, and one that simply cannot be legislated.

I can understand cursing out a ref, but even then I think it should then be a fine. I don't think saying the N word or some other slur or curse should potentially decide a game, a playoff position, seeding, or overall year.

I get why taunting is there. I get the rules governing players and referees. But this is a step too far.

...jetstream brings up good points also about the context of the usage. The NFL through such rules is not going to change society. But that is where alot of these psychological games that are played on us revolve around...changing behavior. This psycho babble influence is a joke.

It's quite simple that attempting to change behavior, and specifically this behavior, on a football field makes as much sense as trying to teach chess on a highway.

How would referees legislate it like jetstream said? You my N is very different then FU N. I can see it used from both positive and negative context to both teammates and the opposing teams. Man, you's a fast N...that's positive context towards a different team. Or man you's a hard hitting N.

Some of the stuff isn't even a slur. White man can't jump is not a slur, but does it not have many of the same connotations embedded in it? Of course. So where is that line drawn?

..and of course like how I led this post, how do you just do the N word, and not all other slurs, and if you are doing all slurs, how are curse words not thrown in?

I guess that would be a new take on the NFL being the No 'FU N' league.
 
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I support the position of "The NFL is a Business" (aka its a Company)


No upstanding company allows conduct of the sort, why should the NFL?




And furthermore, with more cameras, mics, and coverage of everything that happens on and off the field, the odds of one of those words coming over on air grows every year.

Aeneas Williams never swore while playing. Or at least he was very controlled in how often he did. Theres no excuse to why other players cant also.
 

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I support the position of "The NFL is a Business" (aka its a Company)


No upstanding company allows conduct of the sort, why should the NFL?




And furthermore, with more cameras, mics, and coverage of everything that happens on and off the field, the odds of one of those words coming over on air grows every year.

Aeneas Williams never swore while playing. Or at least he was very controlled in how often he did. Theres no excuse to why other players cant also.

I agree with you that we should all hold ourselves to a higher standard, and wish we all could in theory abide by it. This would be the optimal way.

But I don't see this happening as our world is so imperfect. Also there is a difference between curse words and slurs, but in this context you would have to legislate them all.

What's more is that the comparison is a bit apples and oranges. On the football field you are playing with a controlled or sometimes uncontrolled rage. That's the only way to play NFL football. With that, mental errors happen, and some of them include taunting, threatening, slurs, and curse words. (probably more then that). Players like Aeneas (a minister), or Fitz are what we should be teaching children to be like, and not the morons.

I don't think we should throw a football player in jail because a defensive lineman tells an offensive linemen that he's going kill that person's mother and eat her. There's tons of things on the field that are said that would either be crimes or the very least make the personal seem like a psychopath off the field.

When it comes to cursing, alot of cursing happens in the business world as well, at least among equals or superiors towards subordinates. We all know what happens when a subordinate talks that way to a superior. We may not see it because cameras aren't there, but I don't think visibility of one or the other should alter anything. If anything we have been on a long pathway where the FCC keeps removing dirty words from censorship. But strangely adding other ones.

Every game I hear multiple dirty words get caught by the microphones. Like many people I can also read lips decently, especially the curse words. We're inundated with this stuff already all the time, and the last thing I think about when thinking of the NFL are the curse words I hear.

It's not an excuse as we should all do better to train people not to use slurs. But an excuse is only an excuse when someone doesn't do something to better the situation because they use 'the world isn't perfect' excuse not to do something. The best way is to continue to teach people not to use it, and so a person can notice what reality is while also pushing to make reality better. It's incorrect to stand all the way on one side or the other imo, because there are no sides.

The NFL is different then your average or fortune 500 business, and the bigger travesty would be rewarding a lesser team a playoff spot because their players met some standard of being nicer. But that's what can happen when they start giving free yardage and free first downs away. The NFL would be messing around with something very important; playoffs, bonuses, jobs, all for something that isn't very important... words between football players, and many times these differences will negatively affect 3rd parties with various tiebreakers. I think it's important we remember what they are trying to influence behavior wise, and what they actually are game wise going to influence and take some stock in it.

Also when you read various memo's in business you see all sorts of similar disdain towards others. Many supposedly upstanding companies. Whether you see Goldman Sachs talking about its clients as Muppets to be abused, or various safety things by 1st world corporations on 3rd world land. We should realize that our civility is all in our minds, and our minds have hidden from them many of the real facts that would again suggest that not only are words on a football field far less important, at least the person stating them is being completely honest.

Taunting is a safety issue, which is what sets it apart from this. It's also a specific action(s) attached to words, not just words themselves.

I also thought it was stupid that at one point in the NFL it was a penalty if you took your helmet off one step from the sideline. These are the sorts of rules that are just idiotic imo, and cause much more trouble then they alleviate.
 
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is that the "N" word with an R or the "N" word with an A or both? will a black player be penalized for saying cracker? This is BS! I don't like it at all!
 

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I can't see it enforced in the entertainment industry- and the NFL is an entertainment business. It does offend me - even in a song - so I turn it off - it is much more difficult too turn off than it was in yesteryear- seems everywhere sometimes.

I went to a BIG (Blacks in Government) event yesterday- celebrating tuskegee airmen and buffalo soldiers. Professional and respectful to all! There is so much positive cultural diversity in Arizona to celebrate- I choose to feed the good dog and starve the bad. I recommend it to everyone.
 

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This aint going to happen, they'd have to mic everybody and everywhere or it would be one person's word against another's, and on a very touchy topic. Only time is going to get rid of that word and time is unfortunately on that word's side right now.
 

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This aint going to happen, they'd have to mic everybody and everywhere or it would be one person's word against another's, and on a very touchy topic. Only time is going to get rid of that word and time is unfortunately on that word's side right now.

What's wrong with putting a mic on everyone? That would be great for the fans.

I don't think the NFL would even be considering this if it wasn't a serious concern, but I think the penalty could actually solve the problem.

Everyone watching will see who is called for a 15 yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty and if the replay shows no physical infraction, everyone will know that the penalty was for using the forbidden word. And since nobody wants to be known as a racist, nobody is going to take that risk.

[In theory.]
 

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What's wrong with putting a mic on everyone? That would be great for the fans.

I don't think the NFL would even be considering this if it wasn't a serious concern, but I think the penalty could actually solve the problem.

Everyone watching will see who is called for a 15 yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty and if the replay shows no physical infraction, everyone will know that the penalty was for using the forbidden word. And since nobody wants to be known as a racist, nobody is going to take that risk.

[In theory.]
It's funny that you should say that.

Would you rather watch a game broadcasted in the traditional fashion or would you rather have mics everywhere so you can hear every snap count, grunt, hit, etc. Just some local stadium guy calling out numbers and names in between plays over the loudspeaker. Sidelines might take some planning, spygate could be probable.

My buddy and I were talking about this idea the other day, and I just ran with it. I think folks would even pay money to avoid the normal traditional games. It would have to drop a lot of the super crazy trash talk and the N bomb too.

My idea rocks, record everything (on a short delay) and fire the clowns in the booth.
 

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It's funny that you should say that.

Would you rather watch a game broadcasted in the traditional fashion or would you rather have mics everywhere so you can hear every snap count, grunt, hit, etc. Just some local stadium guy calling out numbers and names in between plays over the loudspeaker. Sidelines might take some planning, spygate could be probable.

My buddy and I were talking about this idea the other day, and I just ran with it. I think folks would even pay money to avoid the normal traditional games. It would have to drop a lot of the super crazy trash talk and the N bomb too.

My idea rocks, record everything (on a short delay) and fire the clowns in the booth.

Put mics and cameras on everyone and everything and broadcast it online or the NFL Network with an "R" rating or whatever the tv equivalents are for language and violence. I would love to see that.
 

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Put mics and cameras on everyone and everything and broadcast it online or the NFL Network with an "R" rating or whatever the tv equivalents are for language and violence. I would love to see that.

I'd pay like $50 a year for that.
 

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I can't believe anyone would seriously consider this. Have we become so PC that now the "Word Police" are going to scrub the NFL trying to make sure no one's feelings are being hurt? Why not just dress these guys in frilly dresses and go to flag football? This country is being run by wusses. Disgusting.
 

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The penalty discussed seems very similar to the taunting rule. I agree with it.
 

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