Pryor, 4 Other Buckeyes Suspended Next Season

[Southpaw]

Of course , Pryor Tweeted to his followers that:

'On Twitter on Wednesday night, Pryor posted, "I paid for my tattoos. GoBucks"

Pryor, 4 Other Buckeyes Suspended Next Season


Dec 23, 12:03 PM (ET)

By RUSTY MILLER

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) - Ohio State quarterback Terrelle Pryor and four other Buckeyes must sit out the first five games of the 2011 season for accepting improper benefits. All can still play in the Sugar Bowl against Arkansas.

The NCAA suspensions were announced Thursday, shortly before Ohio State athletic director Gene Smith and coach Jim Tressel were to meet with reporters to discuss the university's investigation of players trading autographs for tattoos.

Pryor, running back Daniel Herron, wide receiver DeVier Posey, offensive lineman Mike Adams and defensive end Solomon Thomas also must repay between $1,000 to $2,500 to charity.

No. 6 Ohio State plays Jan. 4 in New Orleans against No. 8 Arkansas.

Why not sit out the Bowl Game?

Wonder which of these players now declare early?

 

[boisesuns]

I don't get the playing in the bowl game, why not make them sit out the next game they have to play? You're right wally, I bet many of them leave for the draft early.


Maybe they found out about everything when he players went in a tried to get the new "Legends and Leaders" tattoos?

 

[NJCardFan]

I don't get the playing in the bowl game, why not make them sit out the next game they have to play? You're right wally, I bet many of them leave for the draft early.


Maybe they found out about everything when he players went in a tried to get the new "Legends and Leaders" tattoos?

Do you really need for me to answer that? If it were any but these big time schools, like Central Florida, do you believe they would be allowed to play? The NCAA is the most hypocritical and corrupt organization on the face of the earth.

 

[Southpaw]

Do you really need for me to answer that? If it were any but these big time schools, like Central Florida, do you believe they would be allowed to play? The NCAA is the most hypocritical and corrupt organization on the face of the earth.

Did anyone catch their attempt to explain their decisions on Auburn and Ohio State, ..... pathetic.

NCAA defends its recent rulings
December, 29, 2010
Dec 29
4:03
PM ET


By Chris Low
The NCAA deemed it necessary to post a statement on its website Wednesday, responding to critics who say the NCAA plays favorites and bases decisions on money.

Here's the NCAA's official response to such claims:

"The notion that the NCAA is selective with its eligibility decisions and rules enforcement is another myth with no basis in fact. Money is not a motivator or factor as to why one school would get a particular decision versus another. Any insinuation that revenue from bowl games in particular would influence NCAA decisions is absurd, because schools and conferences receive that revenue, not the NCAA."


The NCAA has been getting hammered for allowing the five suspended Ohio State players to play in the Allstate Sugar Bowl and then start their five-game suspensions next season. It didn't help the NCAA any that Sugar Bowl executive director Paul Hoolahan came out and said that he encouraged Ohio State officials to push for the players to be able to play in the bowl game to "preserve the integrity of this year's game."

I agree that it makes for a more compelling game between Arkansas and Ohio State with the Buckeyes being full strength. But the lack of consistency regarding these rulings is what makes everybody so suspicious of the NCAA.

And to say money was not an issue in allowing the Ohio State players to play in the bowl game is downright laughable. Come on: When is it not about money?

I also wonder what Georgia and its star receiver, A.J. Green, must be thinking right now.

If there is indeed such a thing as selective suspensions, which obviously there is, why was Green not allowed to play in some of those tougher SEC games to begin the season against South Carolina, Arkansas and Mississippi State and then sit out that stretch that included Tennessee, Vanderbilt and Kentucky?

He sold one of his game jerseys and was saddled with a four-game suspension that began immediately.

More and more, it's starting to sound like the way to go for players is to plead ignorance, that they didn't know a certain rule was in place or that they didn't know a family member was shopping them to a school.

This latest ruling with the Ohio State players sets another dangerous precedent.

 

[Russ Smith]

Too long to quote but suffice it to say Dan Wetzel just skewers TOSU, Pryor and the NCAA.

Among the revelations, former TOSU player says tattoo parlor has been giving deals to TOSU players since 01 and they all know it. Current TOSU player says the coaches talk about not selling stuff all teh time, TOSU claimed the players weren't properly educated in that rule.

TOSU fans on message boards talking about all the signed memorabilia they see at local bars and restaurants, presumably stuff sold by TOSU players.

ANd the tattoo artist in question has a Facebook page that features names of 9 current players he's tattooed and pictures of signed memorabilia including some by... Terrelle Pryor.





http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news;_ylt=Aqw8gCnGI8I3eDkqnlmJPRQ5nYcB?slug=dw-pryor010311

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Ridiculous. I hope TOSU gets blown out.

 

[Southpaw]

Just one snippet from the article;

Just as things were quieting down, the Dispatch reported on Jan. 2 that Pryor had been pulled over by police three times in the last three years driving “loaner” cars from a local used car dealer, Auto Direct. Pryor told the paper he only borrowed the cars when his own car (currently a Dodge Charger) was in the shop with repairs.

Ohio State said it was aware of two of the incidents and would look into the third. If we’re led to believe the borrowing of cars were again isolated incidents, then Pryor has some bad luck with local cops. He seemingly gets pulled over every time he receives a nice loaner. Either that or he drives them all the time, of course.

The car dealer did tell the newspaper that he also allowed Pryor, in 2008, to drive a Dodge SUV back to Pryor’s home in Pennsylvania. “I wanted advice from some of my family and friends I trusted to see if it would be a good vehicle for me to maybe buy,” Pryor said.

Unsupervised, out-of-state test drivers of used cars are common practice, correct?

Oops.

Pryor didn’t buy the car, of course. Ohio State, quite naturally, declared everything on the up and up. How? Well, they just did. This wasn’t a violation of NCAA rules.

It is apparently just a coincidence that the dealership, according to the Dispatch, has more than two dozen autographed Buckeye jerseys on display, including ones from Pryor and a couple of the other “suspended” players. Or that there are player autographs all over the walls of the showroom.

It’s also just a coincidence that the used car loaner system Pryor enjoyed is eerily similar to the one former Buckeye Maurice Clarett detailed to ESPN the Magazine back in 2004. “When you’re hot in Columbus, you just go,” Clarett told the Magazine. “Somebody’s going to recognize your face. You say, ‘I need to use a car.’ ‘OK, here you go.’”

Yep, here you go.

Does anyone really believe that Pryor and any of the other suspended , draftable players will return next year? These are the guys that have been lying every time their mouths open. Good old Coach Sweatervest needs to be fired, now. Ain't his fault, but he is complicit. How is Ref Terry Porter doing?

Only part of the article, that has me doing a is the "players need to be compensated above tuition , room and board. That is paying someone "not to commit fraud or steal".

 

[Russ Smith]

Just one snippet from the article;



Does anyone really believe that Pryor and any of the other suspended , draftable players will return next year? These are the guys that have been lying every time their mouths open. Good old Coach Sweatervest needs to be fired, now. Ain't his fault, but he is complicit. How is Ref Terry Porter doing?

Only part of the article, that has me doing a is the "players need to be compensated above tuition , room and board. That is paying someone "not to commit fraud or steal".

I at first wondered if TOSU wasn't suspending them out of fear of the NCAA, if we do that they're going to think what do they know that the NCAA doesn't know yet? Now I think they just assume Tressel has such a squeaky clean image, the NCAA won't bother to nail them again.

Wetzel has a history of taking liberties with the truth but this article directly quotes people and provides evidence of what he is saying. I doubt TOSU is the only school in the country where players sell their jerseys or autographs for favors, but it's clearly a system that's inplace, and a tradition that the kids all know about. There's no way the coaches don't know.

I would expect in the next year or so TOSU will get hit hard by the NCAA over this because they have an issue with their defense. You can't say well the kids weren't properly educated about the rules without admitting a lack of institutional control, and you can't say they weren't educated and then have players come out and say no they warn us about that all the time.

It's very clear they're looking the other way.

It's funny because 3-4 years ago everyone thought Thad Matta and TOSU basketball must be cheating to be recruiting like they were, and sort of gave a pass to football, they got nailed, they can't possibly still be doing it. It appears they are. Also a UCLA fan who lives in Columbus says it's not just the football team, the basketball team has signed memorabilia up all over the place, he says freshman Jared Sullinger has a fancy car he's driving around that is apparently a loaner and that Sullingers' game jerseys are in a couple of local restaurants already, autographed.

 

[Southpaw]

I at first wondered if TOSU wasn't suspending them out of fear of the NCAA, if we do that they're going to think what do they know that the NCAA doesn't know yet? Now I think they just assume Tressel has such a squeaky clean image, the NCAA won't bother to nail them again.

Wetzel has a history of taking liberties with the truth but this article directly quotes people and provides evidence of what he is saying. I doubt TOSU is the only school in the country where players sell their jerseys or autographs for favors, but it's clearly a system that's inplace, and a tradition that the kids all know about. There's no way the coaches don't know.

I would expect in the next year or so TOSU will get hit hard by the NCAA over this because they have an issue with their defense. You can't say well the kids weren't properly educated about the rules without admitting a lack of institutional control, and you can't say they weren't educated and then have players come out and say no they warn us about that all the time.

It's very clear they're looking the other way.

It's funny because 3-4 years ago everyone thought Thad Matta and TOSU basketball must be cheating to be recruiting like they were, and sort of gave a pass to football, they got nailed, they can't possibly still be doing it. It appears they are. Also a UCLA fan who lives in Columbus says it's not just the football team, the basketball team has signed memorabilia up all over the place, he says freshman Jared Sullinger has a fancy car he's driving around that is apparently a loaner and that Sullingers' game jerseys are in a couple of local restaurants already, autographed.

Story I heard was OSU BB took the hit so FB didn't have to. Sacrificial lamb.

This thing may be as bad as SMU was, or worse.


"Goodbye Columbus".

 

[Russ Smith]

Story I heard was OSU BB took the hit so FB didn't have to. Sacrificial lamb.

This thing may be as bad as SMU was, or worse.


"Goodbye Columbus".

I don't know if it's that bad but who knows.

Wetzel makes the point that if we believe Pryor and the dealership, 3 times since he's been at TOSU he's had a loaner car, and all 3 times he's had the misfortune of being pulled over for a traffic violation. he's either a very bad driver, or he's driving the cars a lot more than he lets on, the odds are pretty astronomical to get caught 3 times when only borrowing 3 times.

There's enough people named or implicated that one would assume the NCAA is going to look. TOSU apparently got an anonymous letter in July tipping them off to the sitiation with Pryor and the loaner cars. Apparently athletes are supposed to inform the school when they have any contact with police, even a ticket, and Pryor didn't which makes you wonder if he didn't because of the circumstances.

 

[Southpaw]

Ooooops. It may not be over. It seems Jimmy Sweater Vest lied to the NCAA.


http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news;_ylt=Ap4gui0DEQdoFZCEYx72aakcvrYF?slug=ys-osuprobe030711


If true, he played a whole season with players who could have been ineligible.

 

[Russ Smith]

Ooooops. It may not be over. It seems Jimmy Sweater Vest lied to the NCAA.


http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news;_ylt=Ap4gui0DEQdoFZCEYx72aakcvrYF?slug=ys-osuprobe030711


If true, he played a whole season with players who could have been ineligible.

Yeah they apparently knew about this as much as 9 months earlier than they admitted to when it first came out, so as you said they could have played the season with ineligible players they had reason to believe should be ineligible.

 

[Southpaw]

Yeah they apparently knew about this as much as 9 months earlier than they admitted to when it first came out, so as you said they could have played the season with ineligible players they had reason to believe should be ineligible.

Classic case of deflection and deception.

Emphasize the in house decision for 5 game suspension, next year, to draw attention away from the real time line and forfeiture of 2010 season.

I would bet that some of these suspended players declare for the draft ( watch OSO Pro Day workouts, if not blacked out from media ) or later declare for supplemental draft.

 

[Southpaw]

Pryor's take on this.

On his Twitter account, Pryor posted a message early Tuesday morning: "THE Ohio State Buckeyes face and overcome any adversity that comes our way! Brings us closer together As a team. And brings us closer 2 GOD"

 

[Gee!]

Did I just hear on the radio that Tressel said the reason he didnt report it was because he didnt know who to report it to? I laughed out loud when I heard that and said liar.. That is an incredibly lame excuse..

 

[Russ Smith]

TOSU suspended Tressel for 2 games.

 

[Dback Jon]

TOSU suspended Tressel for 2 games.

weak

 

[Tyler]

http://www.610wtvn.com/pages/template/tressels_emails_march2011.pdf

 

[Southpaw]

TOSU suspended Tressel for 2 games.

and $250K fine. BTW, his annual compensation deal is $3.2 mil. So that fine is no BFD. Ya think his 2 games will overlap the 5 games for his players? What does that even mean,.. suspended? Who will be baby sitiing him during the suspension? I only hope Miami whips their hinds in the opener. Can't wait to see the preseason top 25, when OSU will be ranked in the top 5, again.......

and the NCAA just looks the other way.

 

[Southpaw]

http://www.610wtvn.com/pages/template/tressels_emails_march2011.pdf

Nice find. At least Sweater Vest figured out what to do. Just lie to the NCAA. Just groaned when I watched ESPN's coverage of this event. Somehow they always manage to stick in some shill touting how unfair it is for the players not to be compensated by the colleges, as if that is an excuse to lie, cheat, etc.

 

[MigratingOsprey]

listening to the radio last night it's pretty clear that the initial report was false, that it was a leak from a currently ongoing investigation .... ohio state was just about ready to self report on this and any other related matter and it's just a big misunderstanding because tressel gets a lot of e-mails and is looking out for the safety of his players .... they do go to hospitals after all

Besides, it's not in tressels character to go awry to the NCAA .... that smoldering fire at youngstown state had zero to do with him - remember

 

[Russ Smith]

and $250K fine. BTW, his annual compensation deal is $3.2 mil. So that fine is no BFD. Ya think his 2 games will overlap the 5 games for his players? What does that even mean,.. suspended? Who will be baby sitiing him during the suspension? I only hope Miami whips their hinds in the opener. Can't wait to see the preseason top 25, when OSU will be ranked in the top 5, again.......

and the NCAA just looks the other way.

Yeah he can coach the team all week, just not on Saturday.

I think the NCAA will nail them, if they don't I give up.

Tressel said he didn't report it in part because he wasn't sure where to go with it(information).

That's either a complete lie or an admission that despite having been nailed not that long ago TOSU athletics doesn't have a system in place where the HC of the football program can report violations by players. Obviously that's not true and he lied but if we take him at face value than it's lack of control.

IF we assume he lied, and the school is still supporting him(the AD was quoted jokingly saying he never considered firing Tressel I hope he doesn't fire me), then obviously the school has decided TOSU football is more important than integrity.
Edit, president not AD, that might actually be worse.

That's when the NCAA is supposed to nail them.

It'll be interesting to watch, Stanford came out yesterday and admitted for 10 years there's been a list available to student athletes of "easy A" classes so they could better schedule to stay eligible if they were having difficulty.

Where I work there's at least a half dozen Stanford grads and they were all saying yesterday they were stunned because that rumor had been around forever and the school had always insisted it was untrue. They fully expect people to get fired, high up people.

Imagine what the reaction would be if Stanford athletes were selling gear to local businesses in a pay for play scheme?

 

[Southpaw]

Yeah he can coach the team all week, just not on Saturday.

I think the NCAA will nail them, if they don't I give up.

Tressel said he didn't report it in part because he wasn't sure where to go with it(information).

That's either a complete lie or an admission that despite having been nailed not that long ago TOSU athletics doesn't have a system in place where the HC of the football program can report violations by players. Obviously that's not true and he lied but if we take him at face value than it's lack of control.

IF we assume he lied, and the school is still supporting him(the AD was quoted jokingly saying he never considered firing Tressel I hope he doesn't fire me), then obviously the school has decided TOSU football is more important than integrity.
Edit, president not AD, that might actually be worse.

That's when the NCAA is supposed to nail them.

It'll be interesting to watch, Stanford came out yesterday and admitted for 10 years there's been a list available to student athletes of "easy A" classes so they could better schedule to stay eligible if they were having difficulty.

Where I work there's at least a half dozen Stanford grads and they were all saying yesterday they were stunned because that rumor had been around forever and the school had always insisted it was untrue. They fully expect people to get fired, high up people.

Imagine what the reaction would be if Stanford athletes were selling gear to local businesses in a pay for play scheme?

I think the OSU power team is going to dump Sweater Vest if the NCAA gets serious. Rather than "lack of institutional control", it would be just a dumb coach. Gene Smith needs to go on this one also. I wonder what the rest of the Big 10 (11) admins and ADs are saying about this? Watch those 5 players walk before the season starts. I am waiting for them to declare for the supplemental draft.

 

[Russ Smith]

the other thing not being mentioned here is the potential fallout for TOSU basketball. One of the early reports on this said the same tattoo parlor and restaurant that were prominently displaying signed TOSU football jerseys, and apparently paid players for them, also had signed Jared Sullinger basketball jerseys hanging in them. My understanding is they've since been taken down that story went around the Scout boards months ago and even TOSU fans confirmed they'd seen his jersey up in restaurants signed.

So obviously that proves nothing but if they paid the football players it's logical to assume they paid Sullinger too isn't it? he's about to enter the tournament as a 1 seed and personally with Kyrie Irving still hurt at Duke I think TOSU might be the best team in the country.

Does the NCAA do what they did with Newton and investigate quickly and make a ruling, are they already doing that, or do they just assume he's not guilty of anything and let him play in the tournament?

It's apparent TOSU isn't going to suspend him or they would have already so they either think he didn't do anything, or think the focus is on football.

 

[Southpaw]

Guess who is on the NCAA Basketball Tournament seeding panel. None other than Gene Smith, OSU's A D.