Q not a happy camper?

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On the surface, everything appears to be fine. Arizona Cardinals receiver Anquan Boldin wants a new contract, realizes he’s not going to get one that reflects his market value, and plans to honor the final three years of the deal before moving on.

Since Boldin shared his views on the matter several weeks ago, the story has died. The far bigger issues that have trickled out of camp relate to the struggles to produce healthy bodies at the center position, and the question of whether Kurt Warner will get his wish for an actual competition at the quarterback position.

But there’s a full-blown cold war between Boldin and the team. As we hear it, Boldin and coach Ken Whisenhunt have not communicated — at all — for the entire training camp and preseason. Boldin and none of the coaches are speaking, and Boldin has generally kept to himself.

This one runs deeper than the same-old contract squabbles. When the team opted to escape the cap crunch created by the back end of receiver Larry Fitzgerald’s rookie deal by giving him a four-year, $40 million contract, a huge disparity was created between two comparable players. For every dollar Boldin earns in 2008, Fitzgerald will get four.

The ratio doesn’t get much better in 2009 or 2010, the final two years of Boldin’s contract.

And, yes, a contract is a contract. However, when a team gives so much money to one of the two best wideouts in the game and doesn’t take care of the other one, it creates a serious problem.

The same dynamic plays out in workplaces throughout the country. Two people do the same job, and perform at about the same level. Each of them thinks in his or her heart that he’s more valuable than the other. So if one is getting rewarded significantly more than the other, the other naturally will feel unappreciated, and disrespected.

The Cardinals’ apparent plan is to get through the 2008 season with a $2.5 million salary to Boldin, and then to try to trade Boldin. They plan to re-start negotiations with Boldin later in the season, but unless they’re prepared to pay him in the same ballpark as Fitzgerald, a deal isn’t likely. In the interim, the team won’t give Boldin and his agent, Drew Rosenhaus, permission to attempt to line up a suitable trade.

The reality is that the Cardinals have two No. 1 wideouts, but have chosen to pay only one of them accordingly. And, as a practical matter, they can’t pay two of them $10 million per year.

Though Boldin, by all appearances, doesn’t intend to launch a 2005 T.O.-style effort to get out of town, the fact that the relationship between player and team has deteriorated to the point of no communication is every bit as undesirable as the salary-cap conundrum that Fitzgerald’s contract created.

This one’s even more potentially disruptive, even if Boldin does nothing to be disruptive. Fitzgerald’s situation played out in the offseason. Boldin’s case is unfolding at a time when it’s important to get and to keep everyone on the same page.

The challenge for the Cardinals is to decide whether they want one more year of Fitzgerald and Boldin under the present circumstances, or whether they want to get what they can for Boldin and move on.

The problem is that, as the 2008 regular season approaches, other teams will be less inclined to bring in a key new player, pay him huge money, and scramble to get him ready to play.
 

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Same story different day.

Thanks for posting it though.

My only opinion on the matter is that I hope the Cardinals and Boldin get something figured out between them. Boldin is my favorite player and it would be great to see him play our his career in Arizona.
 

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Time for management to look at trading Bolden and move on. In the short-term, you will keep Bolden happy as he will understand that he will be moving on and the team can see what options are out there that could help our team get to the next level.

Do not misunderstand me as I am a huge fan of Bolden as a player/team leader and would have preferred the team keep Bolden and trade Fitzgerald, but the decision has been made and it is now time to move on. I also understand that losing a player of this quality may temporarily set back our receiver core, but I am of the opinion the quarterback makes the receiver versus the otherway around and it appears we have quality wide receiver depth; although young (we could also get quality within any trade). Hard for me to understand why keep to similiar players when we have always needed more speed with the receivers.

Just like investing in the stock market; do not getted married to the stock. Take your profits and look for the next investment. Bolden has value and the team should take advantage of it. It is disappointing that management continues to let Bolden calibur players leave without compensation. We are not one player away from the Superbowl and we need additional quality players.

Just my thoughts
 

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As we hear it, Boldin and coach Ken Whisenhunt have not communicated — at all — for the entire training camp and preseason. Boldin and none of the coaches are speaking, and Boldin has generally kept to himself.

no way that is true. impossible
 

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Time for management to look at trading Bolden and move on. In the short-term, you will keep Bolden happy as he will understand that he will be moving on and the team can see what options are out there that could help our team get to the next level.

Do not misunderstand me as I am a huge fan of Bolden as a player/team leader and would have preferred the team keep Bolden and trade Fitzgerald, but the decision has been made and it is now time to move on. I also understand that losing a player of this quality may temporarily set back our receiver core, but I am of the opinion the quarterback makes the receiver versus the otherway around and it appears we have quality wide receiver depth; although young (we could also get quality within any trade). Hard for me to understand why keep to similiar players when we have always needed more speed with the receivers.

Just like investing in the stock market; do not getted married to the stock. Take your profits and look for the next investment. Bolden has value and the team should take advantage of it. It is disappointing that management continues to let Bolden calibur players leave without compensation. We are not one player away from the Superbowl and we need additional quality players.

Just my thoughts

I do not think the front office is going to let Boldin be traded anywhere, anytime soon. They have been saying it for months, and I doubt they are going to waiver on that stance so close to the offseason.

And there is NO WAY he is getting traded to the Cowboys.
 

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Frankly, let Boldin pout and go thru the motions for the first half of the season as a decoy so he is healthy the last half of the year when it will count. HE will get his money then. I love Q but we have won nothing with him. Win games and get us to the playoffs and then you can have the big contract. He was not the 3 overall pick like Fitz and needs to realize that. That said if Miami wants to give us a 1 and a 2 for him I am shipping him there. It would make our over all team better and we have other weapons.
 

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Frankly, let Boldin pout and go thru the motions for the first half of the season as a decoy so he is healthy the last half of the year when it will count. HE will get his money then. I love Q but we have won nothing with him. Win games and get us to the playoffs and then you can have the big contract. He was not the 3 overall pick like Fitz and needs to realize that. That said if Miami wants to give us a 1 and a 2 for him I am shipping him there. It would make our over all team better and we have other weapons.

At this point I tend to agree. Q is going to play hard whether he's happy or not that's just his nature. hopefully he'll change his mind and want to stay but if he doesn't play him, and look for a good trade offer down the line that will help us next year.

He's locked into a contract he has no leverage right now and I just don't buy that Q is going to ever holdout, he's just not that kind of person IMHO. He hired Rosenhaus to do his dirty work but I don't believe even DR can get him to sit out regular season games over a contract.

I hate that it got to this point but right now the best move for the Cards is stand pat and wait.
 

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Q needs to understand that he will never make as much money as Fitz.

Fitz is 25 years old, was the #3 pick in the draft, and healthy.
Q is 28 yeards old, was a 2nd rounder, and get injured.
 

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Anyone with just a tiny bit of knowledge about the Cardinals and the Boldin contract situation could have written that briliant, award winning, piece.
 

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no way that is true. impossible

I could easily see it being true. No one thought the team player Boldin would air the dirty laundry and rip the Cardinals a new one, but he did.

Also when Boldin was asked if he has spoken to Wiz yet Boldin Stated with an attitude, "No Comment".

A few days after the blow up, Wiz said that he still had not talked to Him yet.
 

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Q and Whiz not talking...might mean something, might not. Whiz seemed to have Q's back the first day of camp after Q blasted management. Whiz said something to the effect of understanding Q's frustration and hoping that a new contract would be worked out.

This article irks me because of the statement that the Cardinals plan to trade Q next year. If it's one thing Rod Graves is, he is honest, and he has reiterated time and time again that the team considers Q a main cog in its cadre of core players and that the team would like to rework Q's contract. He also was honest with Q and Rosenhaus about the time frame of when a deal could be done this past year...a.k.a. the much alluded to "small window" prior to Fitz's deal.

Q and Rosenhaus did not want to work in that time frame, nor were they apparently pleased with what the Cardinals were offering ...partly because, IMO, they wanted to posture for a trade.

Sure, if Q and the Cardinals can't come to an agreement, then a trade might be a possibility...but, then again, Q said he would honor his contract...so there's no imminent reason to trade him, no matter what kind of further stink he puts up.

But...the Cardinals simply cannot trade Q this year...they need him and the likelihood of getting a WR of Q's value in return at this point is slim. The only trade possibility that's been mentioned on this board that would make any kind of sense is Q for Steve Smith, straight up. That's a trade that actually could work well in both team's favors, if the numbers work...and if Smith is locked up, contract-wise for another couple of years. Not sure about that, are you Joe?

And assuming that the Cardinals would not have to sit Smith out for the first two games...a penalty the Panthers issued to Smith for his role in the altercation with Ken Lucas.
 

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I could easily see it being true. No one thought the team player Boldin would air the dirty laundry and rip the Cardinals a new one, but he did.

Also when Boldin was asked if he has spoken to Wiz yet Boldin Stated with an attitude, "No Comment".

A few days after the blow up, Wiz said that he still had not talked to Him yet.
I could see Whiz not talking to him. Initially I read the quote to man Q hasn't talked to any of the coaching staff. I misread it I think.
 

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Q needs to understand that he will never make as much money as Fitz.

Fitz is 25 years old, was the #3 pick in the draft, and healthy.
Q is 28 yeards old, was a 2nd rounder, and get injured.

I tend to agree that Boldin will never get Fitz money, but mostly because of his injuries. Age doesn't really matter because Fitz is going to get ANOTHER payday...probably not from us. Boldin is young enough that age doesn't matter for a 3 or 4 year contract.

Also, his draft status is completely irrelevant now. He's proven himself to be one of the top wideouts in the game and it doesn't matter if he was selected #1 overall or if he was an UDFA. He's paid based on performance.

That said, Boldin needs to be traded. Hopefully, despite his problems with the organization, he'll play lights-out this year and stay healthy. That way we can get top-dollar for him in the offseason. I really don't think he'll be a cardinal this time next year.
 

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IMO Q will get a new contract by years end. did notice him in the first pre season game standing in a corner of the tunnel in plain cloths talking with someone not with the team. I hope we can get it done ASAP so we can move on to other major problems with Wilson and DD.

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The Cardinals are not going to trade Anquan. Period.
Why not? Take emotion out of it and tell me why it's not a good idea to trade Q. Let's say we get an offer for a 2nd rounder and a middle-grade CB. Why shouldn't the Cards make that trade?
 

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Why not? Take emotion out of it and tell me why it's not a good idea to trade Q. Let's say we get an offer for a 2nd rounder and a middle-grade CB. Why shouldn't the Cards make that trade?

Not enough, IMO.

That's not to say he isn't tradeable though.
 

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Not enough, IMO.

That's not to say he isn't tradeable though.
I think essentially you are saying he isn't tradable. We won't get anything better, I don't think. Obviously, I could be wrong, but I don't think so.

I do that trade, depending on the team (ie second round position).

EDIT: I don't think he'll stay 100% healthy this year, so those injury questions are going to play a big part in any negotiation for him (and for a new contract, for that matter).
 

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Also, I think the reason we need to trade him if we can't work out a contract in the near future is that he'll make good on his threat to walk and we'll be left with nothing.
 

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Also, I think the reason we need to trade him if we can't work out a contract in the near future is that he'll make good on his threat to walk and we'll be left with nothing.

Q has 3 years left on his contract...the team holds his rights and therefore can keep him on his existing contract for the duration of it...so his threat to walk is three years down the road...who knows what his and the team's situation will be then.

This is why there is no imminent reason to trade Q.
 

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This is why there is no imminent reason to trade Q.
I understand the contractual leverage the Cards have. I'm talking about at the conclusion of that contract. It's burning a bridge keeping a player of Q's calibre in a contract he's not happy with--and they'll never be able to come to agreeable terms because of the money thrown at Fitz.

Trade him when you can, IMO. That's either now or in this offseason. Because then he's only looking at two more seasons until he's got his payday...and there's no way in hell that payday comes from the Cards. Then where are we?
 

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I understand the contractual leverage the Cards have. I'm talking about at the conclusion of that contract. It's burning a bridge keeping a player of Q's calibre in a contract he's not happy with--and they'll never be able to come to agreeable terms because of the money thrown at Fitz.

Trade him when you can, IMO. That's either now or in this offseason. Because then he's only looking at two more seasons until he's got his payday...and there's no way in hell that payday comes from the Cards. Then where are we?

We have three seasons to keep two Pro Bowl WRs together...at the end of the three years, chances are Early Doucet will be poised and ready to take Q's starting job.

We really don't need to get anything for Q when he walks, but the salary cap space.
 

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Time for management to look at trading Bolden and move on. In the short-term, you will keep Bolden happy as he will understand that he will be moving on and the team can see what options are out there that could help our team get to the next level.

Do not misunderstand me as I am a huge fan of Bolden as a player/team leader and would have preferred the team keep Bolden and trade Fitzgerald, but the decision has been made and it is now time to move on. I also understand that losing a player of this quality may temporarily set back our receiver core, but I am of the opinion the quarterback makes the receiver versus the otherway around and it appears we have quality wide receiver depth; although young (we could also get quality within any trade). Hard for me to understand why keep to similiar players when we have always needed more speed with the receivers.

Just like investing in the stock market; do not getted married to the stock. Take your profits and look for the next investment. Bolden has value and the team should take advantage of it. It is disappointing that management continues to let Bolden calibur players leave without compensation. We are not one player away from the Superbowl and we need additional quality players.

Just my thoughts


you are a huge Boldin fan but cant even spell his name?
 

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We have three seasons to keep two Pro Bowl WRs together...at the end of the three years, chances are Early Doucet will be poised and ready to take Q's starting job.

We really don't need to get anything for Q when he walks, but the salary cap space.
I think it's a mistake for a few reasons:
1) Players aren't going to want to come to AZ in FA if this situation is allowed to fester,
2) I don't care how great a guy Q is, we won't get his best if this drags on for 3 seasons
3) His play style is such that he opens himself to injury more than the typical WR, add that to my belief that he'll eventually be traded anyway and I think we should "sell high" before his value is brought down by injuries.

JMHO, and I know it's not a popular one.
 

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