QB Solution: Mystery Rotation

[Pariah]

Here's the solution from week to week: Start a different one; don't let anyone know who it is, and keep teams on their toes.

Next week: Skelton
Next week: Anderson
Next week: Skelton
Next week Hall

ect, etc, etc...

Good god, our QB situation has Leinart laghing his ass off somewhere in a hot tub with some Houston hotties.

 

[Tyler]

azcardinals.com reporting Max is still the starter.

 

[dogpoo32]

azcardinals.com reporting Max is still the starter.

Unbelievable. 4/16 is good enough to keep your job? I was all for Max, but that was worse than just rookie jitters. He looked like he had never practiced. I cannot stand DA, but at least he would have completed 8.

 

[desertdawg]

Its like choosing the guy who chops off your head.

 

[oaken1]

hmmmm,....maybe we could just pick up a different guy every week.... jeff garcia,...then jeff george,....maybe warren moon would like another game...... I think steve DeBerg can still throw.............

 

[Tyler]

hmmmm,....maybe we could just pick up a different guy every week.... jeff garcia,...then jeff george,....maybe warren moon would like another game...... I think steve DeBerg can still throw.............

Give Boomer another shot?

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[oaken1]

Give Boomer another shot?

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Boomer hates this organization, but I think he would give it a run........ IIRC one more game and we owe him a million dollar bonus,lol.

 

[Russ Smith]

azcardinals.com reporting Max is still the starter.

Wow I'd be surprised if Whiz has already made that decision he's usually really clear he wants to look at film first.

DA came out hot and then the real DA showed up again, but what Whiz really has to do is figure out was Hall just confused, struggling with the weather, crowd noise etc. or is he just that bad?

I don't think he's as bad as he looked today but I'd be surprised if Whiz already made the decision.

 

[kerouac9]

I don't think it would really matter to any opposing defensive coordinator who was starting. Either way, you're running a guy out there whom you'd package with a 4th round pick for Tavaris Jackson.

The quarterback situation in Arizona is an abomination, and there's one man responsible for it.

Our offense is over-engineered.

 

[TJ]

Good god, our QB situation has Leinart laghing his ass off somewhere in a hot tub with some Houston hotties.

Sad...but true.

But it has to be stated again. The rift between he and the players and coaches must have been really really large or that the public bickering of his status with the team sealed his fate. I think without a shadow of a doubt we arent having all of these mistakes with him under center. The stats would not look impressive, but IMO, we win a game like this with him because the # of turnovers and silly mistakes decrease.

Sorry, I must stop living in the land of "what ifs" Ill just resort to knowing Leinart is probably laughing his ass off right now...with Neil Rackers.

 

[Russ Smith]

Our offense is over-engineered.

I don't know what you mean by that but Mitch made a mention of how exposed our QB's are to hits. Whiz is not Mike Martz but it's a valid point, we do some bizarre things like ask a TE to block their DE (not chip block) and give up a sack. Not block the DE multiple times(I think that's Keith not the design).

One of the things we've done really well under Whiz is use the 2 TE sets, with Warner retired I assumed that would become MUCH more common. It's not. NFL.com doesn't seem to have it in the splits for either DA or Max yet but it sure seems to me we're playing less 2 TE? Patrick was barely in the game.

When you consider how often Seattle had 5 or more DB's in there they weren't just doing it because Carroll likes it, they were doing it to matchup with all the 3 and 4 WR sets we ran. It was obvious early on Hall was confused and playing poorly, why would you continue to put him in that situation? if the gameplan was 3 and 4 WR sets, you should have gone to DA earlier when it was obvious Max couldn't pull it off.

Frustrating. I realize when Hightower fumbled that Whiz got nervous about that again too, but we ran the ball against them well all game, in large part because they were in pass defense so much.

 

[kerouac9]

I don't know what you mean by that but Mitch made a mention of how exposed our QB's are to hits. Whiz is not Mike Martz but it's a valid point, we do some bizarre things like ask a TE to block their DE (not chip block) and give up a sack. Not block the DE multiple times(I think that's Keith not the design).

One of the things we've done really well under Whiz is use the 2 TE sets, with Warner retired I assumed that would become MUCH more common. It's not. NFL.com doesn't seem to have it in the splits for either DA or Max yet but it sure seems to me we're playing less 2 TE? Patrick was barely in the game.

When you consider how often Seattle had 5 or more DB's in there they weren't just doing it because Carroll likes it, they were doing it to matchup with all the 3 and 4 WR sets we ran. It was obvious early on Hall was confused and playing poorly, why would you continue to put him in that situation? if the gameplan was 3 and 4 WR sets, you should have gone to DA earlier when it was obvious Max couldn't pull it off.

Frustrating. I realize when Hightower fumbled that Whiz got nervous about that again too, but we ran the ball against them well all game, in large part because they were in pass defense so much.

In part it's because of all the "Whis is an engineer nonsense that's been on the board the past couple weeks. Mostly it's because I have no idea why we're still passing the ball so much.

1st drive - 3 passes, 2 runs. The runs are the only plays that gain yardage. Result: INT
2nd drive - 2 passes, 1 run. 3 and out.
3rd drive - 2 runs, 1 pass. 3 and out.
4th drive - 2 passes, 1 run.

I'm guessing that Whis is in some ways so used to working with Warner that he thinks that all QBs need to get into a rhythm with a lot of early passes to get the game off to a good start. Of course the quarterback is going to want the offense in his hands early and say that we should throw the ball. Four of those early 8 passes were intended for Fitz, as well. I'm sure that Whis has made commitments to Fitz about his involvement in the offense.

I just think that Coach is over-thinking things. I don't know how he looks at his offensive line, and his quarterback, and his WR corps, and says, "You know what? Let's pass the ball 65% of the time."

 

[Assface]

I just think that Coach is over-thinking things. I don't know how he looks at his offensive line, and his quarterback, and his WR corps, and says, "You know what? Let's pass the ball 65% of the time."

Everyone knows that if you have a OL full of run blockers, an UDFA QB, a banged up WR corps and 3 RBs capable of making plays then the obvious thing to do is throw every down.

 

[Russ Smith]

In part it's because of all the "Whis is an engineer nonsense that's been on the board the past couple weeks. Mostly it's because I have no idea why we're still passing the ball so much.

1st drive - 3 passes, 2 runs. The runs are the only plays that gain yardage. Result: INT
2nd drive - 2 passes, 1 run. 3 and out.
3rd drive - 2 runs, 1 pass. 3 and out.
4th drive - 2 passes, 1 run.

I'm guessing that Whis is in some ways so used to working with Warner that he thinks that all QBs need to get into a rhythm with a lot of early passes to get the game off to a good start. Of course the quarterback is going to want the offense in his hands early and say that we should throw the ball. Four of those early 8 passes were intended for Fitz, as well. I'm sure that Whis has made commitments to Fitz about his involvement in the offense.

I just think that Coach is over-thinking things. I don't know how he looks at his offensive line, and his quarterback, and his WR corps, and says, "You know what? Let's pass the ball 65% of the time."

Agreed. Like Mitch said though because of the sets, we're almost guaranteeing the QB's are going to get hit. So you take a clearly nervous rookie and put him in a situation where he is throwing the ball too much, and once he struggles, you neither run the ball more, or pull him(until the 2nd half).

As you said we're throwing too much without the proven QB and with WR problems.

Play 2 TE's, run the ball and try to at least give the QB's the option of play action working once in awhile.

Someone needs to send Whiz game tape of how Stanford plays. It's college but Harbaugh gets it. If you have good RB's and an OL built to run block, use them.

 

[kerouac9]

Agreed. Like Mitch said though because of the sets, we're almost guaranteeing the QB's are going to get hit. So you take a clearly nervous rookie and put him in a situation where he is throwing the ball too much, and once he struggles, you neither run the ball more, or pull him(until the 2nd half).

As you said we're throwing too much without the proven QB and with WR problems.

Play 2 TE's, run the ball and try to at least give the QB's the option of play action working once in awhile.

Someone needs to send Whiz game tape of how Stanford plays. It's college but Harbaugh gets it. If you have good RB's and an OL built to run block, use them.

Or how Mike Shanahan has ALWAYS run his offense. Or Baltimore. Or anyone breaking in a young QB.

I've been saying this since before the Bears preseason game. I have no idea what is going on in the heads of the offensive coaching staff, and the Arizona media are so terrified of Coach Whis that they're not asking questions to find out.

I personally didn't think that Max Hall was getting hit much. The non-block by Brandon Keith and the whiff by Stephen Spach excepted, it seemed to me that Hall had time to throw. There was one down where Seattle sent EVERYONE--Over three coverage and blitzing eight--and Hall had time to throw and wasn't able to locate anyone.

I'm not sure what the staff saw when they were looking at their own film during the bye week; the offense didn't seem different at all this week.

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

Everyone knows that if you have a OL full of run blockers, an UDFA QB, a banged up WR corps and 3 RBs capable of making plays then the obvious thing to do is throw every down.

That's it...hit 'em where they aint!