who would you rather have on the suns right now?
Quentin Richardson or Erick Dampier?
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Dampier, Suns need a Center. Dampier=Good Center
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People forget that it takes a while for guys to mesh sometimes. Especially young guys. I think that even if we don't get Q, that Nash, JJ, Barbosa and Jacobsen could become a really dynamic back court rotation. With the exception of Nash, who already is what he is, they are all getting better and making significant steps. If we could get Dampier I would be extremely happy with the team we would have going in to next year. With Dampier, our front line rotation isn't nearly as bad. In fact, I think we have a very nice back up rotation right now; we're just missing a starter. We'd have adequate low post defenst, and then offensively, this would be a pretty daunting team, especially when you consider that Shawn Marion, an Olympian and former all-star, could very well be our fourth option on offense.
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moviebuff316 said:
Dampier = 1 good season, which happened to be his contract year. Other then that, he has been extremely average, if even that.
I'm not saying that he wouldnt help, because he'd be better than anything that phoenix has had for a long time. But, people over-value him way too much.
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Your wrong, Dampier had better numbers this year, but he still was a good center before that.WastedFate said:
Contract year was not the ONLY reason for his stat increase. Added playing time had a big factor...
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BEERZ said:
I agree. Also, he is a physical defender which doesn't show up in the individual stats - just the final score.
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last year the weaknesses for the suns were point guard play, inside defense, rebounding, and bench play.
the suns addressed the point guard play in the nash signing. they may have hoped that amare and jake would have been able to cut it if they got another back up center along with the increase in focus on team defense.
so they went with "Q" in hopes that he would be able to add to the bench scoring and cut down on marion and jj total minutes per game. q is also a very good rebounder for a 2 guard. now if q is matched then we go back to looking for a center.
and dampier is the best out there now.
the suns addressed the point guard play in the nash signing. they may have hoped that amare and jake would have been able to cut it if they got another back up center along with the increase in focus on team defense.
so they went with "Q" in hopes that he would be able to add to the bench scoring and cut down on marion and jj total minutes per game. q is also a very good rebounder for a 2 guard. now if q is matched then we go back to looking for a center.
and dampier is the best out there now.
Goldfield
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I have watched Dampier alot. He is a very talented. He fits our needs PERFECTLY.
Dampier on the Suns would not only fill our biggest needs but it would let the rest of our team (Amare & Marion) play 100% better because they wont have to focus covering up the weakness at center.
Its hard to imagine how much better Amare would be with teams not able to focus all their attention on him.
Dampier
Amare
Marion
JJ
Nash
Who do you double? Who do you leave open? Who can you our rebound? Where is the weakness?
That team would DOMINATE the boards & run the floor like crazy.
Dampier on the Suns would not only fill our biggest needs but it would let the rest of our team (Amare & Marion) play 100% better because they wont have to focus covering up the weakness at center.
Its hard to imagine how much better Amare would be with teams not able to focus all their attention on him.
Dampier
Amare
Marion
JJ
Nash
Who do you double? Who do you leave open? Who can you our rebound? Where is the weakness?
That team would DOMINATE the boards & run the floor like crazy.
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Anyone know how his health is right now? IIRC he sat out the end of the season last year with some sort of injury.....
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Dampier = 1 good season, which happened to be his contract year. Other then that, he has been extremely average, if even that.
His defensive presence has always been better than "extremely average." He is among the league's best shot blockers and, as George analyzed in another thread, a consistently strong rebounder. And never mind the fact that he is a genuine big man who can actually move, which 90% of the teams in the league would kill for.
Besides, even an average starting center would be a huge upgrade for Phoenix, and at $6 million to start, a real bargain.
His defensive presence has always been better than "extremely average." He is among the league's best shot blockers and, as George analyzed in another thread, a consistently strong rebounder. And never mind the fact that he is a genuine big man who can actually move, which 90% of the teams in the league would kill for.
Besides, even an average starting center would be a huge upgrade for Phoenix, and at $6 million to start, a real bargain.
I know that the SUNS have needed a C for years. Is Damp the answer? He is a good C, but I have seen the SUNS ( under a different coach ) go far the run and gun. That seems to be what gets the fans going in Phoenix. Excited Phoenix fans = SUNS wins. I WANT Q.
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elindholm said:
I said he would be better than anything Phoenix has had in a long while. Im not saying dont sign him, if Q doesnt work out then Im all for signing him. People simply over value him here though. Marion + Jacobsen in a sign and trade? Come on. (Yes, I know it's an old topic. But that is what I was referring to.)
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wsupkid said:I know that the SUNS have needed a C for years. Is Damp the answer? He is a good C, but I have seen the SUNS ( under a different coach ) go far the run and gun. That seems to be what gets the fans going in Phoenix. Excited Phoenix fans = SUNS wins. I WANT Q.
Do the Suns not play good centers because they want to run or do they not play their centers because they aren't that good? I'm inclined to believe it is the latter.
If it was the former, then there should be a bunch of former Sun's centers thriving on other teams. Corie Blount was a third string center on a team that despirately needs a big man. Big Jake got minimal time on a team that really needs a big man. Is there someone I've missed?
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For the price tag that is given right now, I'd prefer Dampier over Q. To be perfectly honest I wouldn't be disappointed if we got Q either. Both would help the Suns out tremendously.
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Don't know about that Dampier thing
Don't forget -- in the past, the Suns have been burned by contract year players (McDyess & Googs anyone?) . . . while the Suns have a strong history of finding Hall of Fame type 1's, 2's, & 3's, the fans get so angry (me included) when they aren't aggresive finding the franchise altering C/PF. Dampier is NOT that guy.
Look at how picky he's being this off-season with all of his demands based exclusively on 1 season's worth of stat lines. You can't gamble the team's financial future on a guy with so many ifs.
The only way the Suns should consider him is on a one year, mid-level type of deal (although the team doesn't have the exception this off-season) because one year, no harm, no foul. You gamble the future on what appears to be a contract year player, and it's 5 more seasons of Googs like finger crossing they even get to the first round in the West.
I'd prefer the idea tossed around in the EVtrib - a Magliore for Marion type of thing. I love Marion, but who doesn't get nervous when there's 4 seconds left in the 4th, Suns are down by 1, and Marion has the ball. He's a nice player, but he's not clutch. Neither is Magliore, but his presence frees up the Q's, the Amare's, the Nash's & the JJ's for that clutch shot. I visualize Dampier making calls to his agent on his cell phone during those last 4 seconds.
The easy way out is looking at stats alone, and saying Dampier is our guy. The hard way is using patience so as to find the next Ben Wallace. That's what the Suns really need.
Don't forget -- in the past, the Suns have been burned by contract year players (McDyess & Googs anyone?) . . . while the Suns have a strong history of finding Hall of Fame type 1's, 2's, & 3's, the fans get so angry (me included) when they aren't aggresive finding the franchise altering C/PF. Dampier is NOT that guy.
Look at how picky he's being this off-season with all of his demands based exclusively on 1 season's worth of stat lines. You can't gamble the team's financial future on a guy with so many ifs.
The only way the Suns should consider him is on a one year, mid-level type of deal (although the team doesn't have the exception this off-season) because one year, no harm, no foul. You gamble the future on what appears to be a contract year player, and it's 5 more seasons of Googs like finger crossing they even get to the first round in the West.
I'd prefer the idea tossed around in the EVtrib - a Magliore for Marion type of thing. I love Marion, but who doesn't get nervous when there's 4 seconds left in the 4th, Suns are down by 1, and Marion has the ball. He's a nice player, but he's not clutch. Neither is Magliore, but his presence frees up the Q's, the Amare's, the Nash's & the JJ's for that clutch shot. I visualize Dampier making calls to his agent on his cell phone during those last 4 seconds.
The easy way out is looking at stats alone, and saying Dampier is our guy. The hard way is using patience so as to find the next Ben Wallace. That's what the Suns really need.
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It is terribly hard to get teams to give up young, quality centers for smaller players not named Kobe. New Orleans has no backup (to speak of) for Magloire and Marion has a much bigger contract. No amount of wishing makes getting Magloire feasible.
Dampier might have been an option if the price had been right when the Suns had the cap space, but that wasn't the case. As it is, his agent blew it and he is forced into a bad situation.
The NBA GM's have decided that Dampier is worth under $50 million rather than the $70 million he was asking for. Even the Hawks are only willing to give him $50 million and they have plenty of cap space. If he is willing to play for MLE ($4.9 for one year or $37 million for six) the Pacers are actually his best bet.
It is terribly hard to get teams to give up young, quality centers for smaller players not named Kobe. New Orleans has no backup (to speak of) for Magloire and Marion has a much bigger contract. No amount of wishing makes getting Magloire feasible.
Dampier might have been an option if the price had been right when the Suns had the cap space, but that wasn't the case. As it is, his agent blew it and he is forced into a bad situation.
The NBA GM's have decided that Dampier is worth under $50 million rather than the $70 million he was asking for. Even the Hawks are only willing to give him $50 million and they have plenty of cap space. If he is willing to play for MLE ($4.9 for one year or $37 million for six) the Pacers are actually his best bet.
