Question on the ending of UA/UCLA

Russ Smith

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Does anybody understand precisely what the T was called for? I assume it was a bench T and 2 shots, but i'm not certain. There were actually multiple situations that COULD have been called a T so I'm not sure which was called.

1) After the shot goes through a bench player out of bounds runs behind the basket where UCLA is grabbing the ball to inbound. He realizes he's doing something wrong and runs back to the bench, he was never inbounds, but you could argue he was interfering with UCLA trying to inbound(although Adams steal was just a bad pass not one that was interfered with). At first that's the T I was looking for, the guy behind the basket.

2) There's at least 2 bench players on the floor before the whistle stops play when Adams is fouled, much of the bench cleared at that point with still 1.2 seconds to play. DId they call 1 T per player out before the whistle, or one "all inclusive" T on the bench for going onto the floor?

Arizona deserved the win I'm not saying otherwise, just that ABC did a terrible job of explaining what the call was and I'm curious. The way Lute was yelling at Howland I got the impression that Howland was asking for "more" than was called because certainly Lute couldn't have been disagreeing with the T call since his bench was clearly on the floor? I just wonder if Howland was saying there should have been multiple T's and more than 1 shot but he was off camera so you couldn't read his lips to see what he was saying.

Lute clearly twice said something like "what the hell is your problem Ben?" So there was a clear disagreement with them.

Boy was it fun to hear Lavin saying "Ben Howland is a tough guy", that has to really hurt him to say given his lack of toughness and discipline is what buried UCLA's program, now he has to come on national tv and praise the job his replacement is doing. :)
 

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2.0 AZ Salim Stoudamire made 3-pt. Jump Shot
1.0 UCLA Lost ball turnover on Dijon Thompson, Stolen by Hassan Adams
1.0 UCLA Shooting foul on Arron Afflalo
1.0 AZ Technical foul on Coach
1.0 UCLA Jordan Farmar missed Technical Free Throw
1.0 UCLA Jordan Farmar missed Technical Free Throw
1.0 AZ Hassan Adams missed 1st of 2 Free Throws
1.0 AZ Hassan Adams missed 2nd of 2 Free Throws
1.0 UCLADefensive Rebound by Ryan Hollins
0.0 End of period.
 
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maddogkf said:
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2.0 AZ Salim Stoudamire made 3-pt. Jump Shot
1.0 UCLA Lost ball turnover on Dijon Thompson, Stolen by Hassan Adams
1.0 UCLA Shooting foul on Arron Afflalo
1.0 AZ Technical foul on Coach
1.0 UCLA Jordan Farmar missed Technical Free Throw
1.0 UCLA Jordan Farmar missed Technical Free Throw
1.0 AZ Hassan Adams missed 1st of 2 Free Throws
1.0 AZ Hassan Adams missed 2nd of 2 Free Throws
1.0 UCLADefensive Rebound by Ryan Hollins
0.0 End of period.


Thanks, the sequence was after Stoudamires' shot goes thru. As UCLA is grabbing the ball to inbound a UA bench player had run the baseline behind the basket and is now running back to the bench. That's what I thought the T was for but it apparently wasn't.

UCLA inbounds (I think Thompson threw it) and Adams makes the steal and is fouled by Afflalo. Before the whistle has blown at least 2 UA players are on the court, they both come over to hug Adams as if they think the game is over. I "think" that's what the T was called for, but I'm not sure. It wasn't on a coach because the coaches didn't come out on the floor.

Again, best team won, just trying to grasp what they actually called there.
 

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My interpretation was that the T was called for running out on the court. Lute was probably just trying to pull the "they're just kids" or "the game is basically already over" excuse to no avail while Howland was trying to keep his team in the game. Right call was made in my opinion. Lute needs to get the token white walk-on to prevent stuff like this in the future.

As far as Lavin goes, I thought it was odd that ABC pegged him for the game. UCLA fans I'm guessing weren't that thrilled about it as he is held in the same light as John Mackovic in Arizona circles and it's not like his analysis is that great. But did anyone really expect Dickie V to remove his mouth from Duke's ass long enough to broadcast a game out West?
 
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My interpretation was that the T was called for running out on the court. Lute was probably just trying to pull the "they're just kids" or "the game is basically already over" excuse to no avail while Howland was trying to keep his team in the game. Right call was made in my opinion. Lute needs to get the token white walk-on to prevent stuff like this in the future.

As far as Lavin goes, I thought it was odd that ABC pegged him for the game. UCLA fans I'm guessing weren't that thrilled about it as he is held in the same light as John Mackovic in Arizona circles and it's not like his analysis is that great. But did anyone really expect Dickie V to remove his mouth from Duke's ass long enough to broadcast a game out West?

Yeah I would have hated to have won the game on a technical situation so I'm in a sense glad that didn't happen. My junior year in HS my coach screwed up and put the home numbers instead of the away numbers on the official lineup. The refs ruled that all 5 starters were wrong and we started the game with the other team shooting 5 freethrows, I think they made 3. We lost the game by 2 points. afterwards we found out the rule really said a T for EVERY player who had the wrong number so that would have been 13-14 guys so we got off easy.

I was hoping Laving or Musberger would get a clarification on it I assume it was the first 2 players coming out that prompted the T.

Lavin was very contradictory, kept saying UA is famous for on ball guard pressure, then saying their guards can't keep Farmar out of the lane they have to pressure him better. Stuff like that.
 
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