Random draft thoughts on "hump day"

[Chopper0080]

Here are some random thoughts that have been rattling in my brain for the past couple weeks.

1- I am becoming more and more certain that the Cardinals will not use the #13 pick on a QB. I believe they are far more likely to take a QB in round 1 if they trade back from 13 or trade up from round 2.

2- Since 2010, 51 Alabama players have been drafted. In that time frame, the Cardinals have drafted 1, Ed Stinson. I don't know if that is something or not, but it struck me as odd. Some teams feel Saban grinds his players so much that they come in worn out. This may indicate that the Cardinals are one of those teams.

3- Steve Keim has drafted an edge player in every draft he has been the GM except last year, but he traded his 2nd rounder to get Chandler Jones. Probably a good indicator that he will draft one this year as well.

4- This team is in the market for a true FS. Of all of the depth on the roster, FS is the big hole IMO. I expect the Cardinals to go hard for Josh Jones or Marcus Williams to fill that hole.

5- I am always fascinated by players moving positions from college to the pros, especially in terms of 34- LBs. Vince Biegel out of Wisconsin is one of those guys for me. He played outside LB at Wisconsin, but dropped into coverage a ton due to being across from TJ Watt. At 6'3 246, he has comparable size to guys like Zach Cunningham/Haason Reddick/Alex Anzalone, and his 40, vert, broad, shuttle and cone are pretty comparable to them as well. Biegel is a grinder who I think could make the switch from OLB to ILB in the 3-4.

6- A player that has been championed by others on this board and that I am coming around to is Adoree Jackson out of USC. His has questionable size, but he does remind me that Jerraud Powers worked pretty well in this defense for a couple of years at a similar size. Jackson seems like a guy who could thrive in off man coverage.

7- My favorite sleeper that the Cardinals have been linked to is Samson Ebukam, edge player out of Eastern Washington. Reminds me a little of Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis with his ability to use his compact frame as an advantage.

 

[juza76]

7- My favorite sleeper that the Cardinals have been linked to is Samson Ebukam, edge player out of Eastern Washington. Reminds me a little of Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis with his ability to use his compact frame as an advantage.

Thanks for your post
Dont know this guy
Just read this from his pro day few days a go

"At just shy of 6-foot-2 and weighing in at 240 pounds, Ebukam had impressive numbers to go along with his imposing size. His vertical jump of 39 inches, broad jump of 10'10" and 40 time of 4.45 were eye-opening. He bench-pressed 225 pounds 24 times."

 

[bg7brd]

Drew Boylhart over at the Huddle Report has some nice things to say about Vince Biegel. I would love to get him in the 3rd.

http://www.thehuddlereport.com/archive/2017profiles/Vince.Biegel.htm

 

[Mitch]

100% spot-on per all accounts, Chopper. I think it is BPA at #13 (Foster, Reddick, Davis or Howard), or a trade down, and FS (Jones, Williams or Evans) or CB (Jackson, Q. Wilson or Tankersley) at #45.

 

[JeffGollin]

100% spot-on per all accounts, Chopper. I think it is BPA at #13 (Foster, Reddick, Davis or Howard), or a trade down, and FS (Jones, Williams or Evans) or CB (Jackson, Q. Wilson or Tankersley) at #45.

What better time than now to set forth my 7 round mock (player availability based on updated CBS rankings):
1 (13) Peppers S
2 (45) Kizer QB (Yeah, I know)
3 (77) Smith-Schuster WR
4 (119) Kpassagnon DL
5 (157) Smoot EDGE
5 (179) Cutrer CB
6 (197) Jerome DB
7 (231) Boulware ILB

 

[football karma]

re: Adoree Jackson

if nothing else -- a returner and a dynamic one at that

he may make us crazy over at corner, at least at first

 

[Ohcrap75]

100% agree on everything except #6. I would love to get FS Markus Williams at 45!

 

[juza76]

100% agree on everything except #6. I would love to get FS Markus Williams at 45!

I think he is the ballhawk safety we need
Thats why I prefer him instead of josh jones

 

[Lagerfilled]

Thanks for your post
Dont know this guy
Just read this from his pro day few days a go

"At just shy of 6-foot-2 and weighing in at 240 pounds, Ebukam had impressive numbers to go along with his imposing size. His vertical jump of 39 inches, broad jump of 10'10" and 40 time of 4.45 were eye-opening. He bench-pressed 225 pounds 24 times."

Do we know his 3 cone? If at or below 7.00, I would draft him in a heartbeat.

 

[NMCard]

Do we know his 3 cone? If at or below 7.00, I would draft him in a heartbeat.

7.07

 

[Lagerfilled]

7.07

Thanks! 40 time is actually 4.75, not 4.45, but that's still ok at 34OLB.

 

[juza76]

Thanks! 40 time is actually 4.75, not 4.45, but that's still ok at 34OLB.

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2017/mar/28/former-eastern-washington-stars-chase-nfl-dreams-o/
Different sources say 4.45

 

[Ohcrap75]

Thanks! 40 time is actually 4.75, not 4.45, but that's still ok at 34OLB.

4.75 isn't too bad at 340 LB!!

 

[WildBB]

100% agree on everything except #6. I would love to get FS Markus Williams at 45!

I think there's a good chance they could go saftey at #45. This is my feeling on positional targets in the first two rounds.

1(13) bpa, Cb, Ilb or WR
2(45) Any above and QB, G, TE, FS.

That's 7 positions that are likely to be picked in this draft. But RB, DL and an Edge might make their way in also. Who....where is the trick, especially with a QB pick thrown in? If they don't pick Foster in the 1st, my guess is that the ILB pick will be towards the end because of the plenitude of talent in the other positions early on.

1- CB - Enter your guy.
2- QB
3- FS-
4- WR
5- TE, G/C
5- LB
6- RB
7- ST's

If they pass on the QB until late everything moves up one round.

If they go Foster, Howard or Davis in the 1st, I think that definitely they'll go DB in the 2nd Rd and maybe even the 3rd as well.

*Spoiler is the trade down scenario.

 

[cardncubfan]

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2017/mar/28/former-eastern-washington-stars-chase-nfl-dreams-o/
Different sources say 4.45

Ebukam raised a few eyebrows – and his prospects – with a 4.45 in the 40 that beat not only Bourne but also Kupp, the four-time All-American who’s expected to go anywhere from the second to fourth round on April 27-29.

 

[cardpa]

Here are some random thoughts that have been rattling in my brain for the past couple weeks.

1- I am becoming more and more certain that the Cardinals will not use the #13 pick on a QB. I believe they are far more likely to take a QB in round 1 if they trade back from 13 or trade up from round 2.

2- Since 2010, 51 Alabama players have been drafted. In that time frame, the Cardinals have drafted 1, Ed Stinson. I don't know if that is something or not, but it struck me as odd. Some teams feel Saban grinds his players so much that they come in worn out. This may indicate that the Cardinals are one of those teams.

3- Steve Keim has drafted an edge player in every draft he has been the GM except last year, but he traded his 2nd rounder to get Chandler Jones. Probably a good indicator that he will draft one this year as well.

4- This team is in the market for a true FS. Of all of the depth on the roster, FS is the big hole IMO. I expect the Cardinals to go hard for Josh Jones or Marcus Williams to fill that hole.

5- I am always fascinated by players moving positions from college to the pros, especially in terms of 34- LBs. Vince Biegel out of Wisconsin is one of those guys for me. He played outside LB at Wisconsin, but dropped into coverage a ton due to being across from TJ Watt. At 6'3 246, he has comparable size to guys like Zach Cunningham/Haason Reddick/Alex Anzalone, and his 40, vert, broad, shuttle and cone are pretty comparable to them as well. Biegel is a grinder who I think could make the switch from OLB to ILB in the 3-4.

6- A player that has been championed by others on this board and that I am coming around to is Adoree Jackson out of USC. His has questionable size, but he does remind me that Jerraud Powers worked pretty well in this defense for a couple of years at a similar size. Jackson seems like a guy who could thrive in off man coverage.

7- My favorite sleeper that the Cardinals have been linked to is Samson Ebukam, edge player out of Eastern Washington. Reminds me a little of Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis with his ability to use his compact frame as an advantage.

I feel the same way Chopper, FS is the biggest hole on this team in my opinion.

 

[Harry]

Do we know his 3 cone? If at or below 7.00, I would draft him in a heartbeat.

My guy had his cone time at 6.98, hand timed. He's very raw and likely a practice squad guy. Many of the players born out of the country lack the same instinctive sense of the game from watching it. He's a fine athlete, but it will take quite a bit of time.

I like Adoree Jackson's return skills, but I think he's third round CB skill-wise. I'm hearing, however, he will go earlier.

 

[Chopper0080]

My guy had his cone time at 6.98, hand timed. He's very raw and likely a practice squad guy. Many of the players born out of the country lack the same instinctive sense of the game from watching it. He's a fine athlete, but it will take quite a bit of time.

I like Adoree Jackson's return skills, but I think he's third round CB skill-wise. I'm hearing, however, he will go earlier.

Yeah. Smallish frame. Good quickness. Nice motor, but no consistent hand usage. What I like his ability to bend around the edge and flatten to the QB.

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[RugbyMuffin]

Here are some random thoughts that have been rattling in my brain for the past couple weeks.

1- I am becoming more and more certain that the Cardinals will not use the #13 pick on a QB. I believe they are far more likely to take a QB in round 1 if they trade back from 13 or trade up from round 2.

I agree.

The Raiders are a VERY VERY tempting team to talk to when it comes time to draft. They are looking for a power running back, and Fornette would be EXACTLY what they are looking for. Plus they are a team looking to be "All in" for next season. The Cardinals could trade down with them and pick up either a 3rd or 4th pick, and be in a good spot to possibly get a QB.

Not to mention a 3rd or 4th pick to get an extra safety or cornerback.

3- Steve Keim has drafted an edge player in every draft he has been the GM except last year, but he traded his 2nd rounder to get Chandler Jones. Probably a good indicator that he will draft one this year as well.

Much like Keim did last year, he traded for a pass rusher instead of drafting one.

I think Jarvis Jones is that pass rusher for this season that has been brought in. I do not think the Cardinals draft an edge rusher this draft.

4- This team is in the market for a true FS. Of all of the depth on the roster, FS is the big hole IMO. I expect the Cardinals to go hard for Josh Jones or Marcus Williams to fill that hole.

Williams is a 2nd round pick and Josh Jones is a 2nd/3rd round pick. Both good options, and I like both players.

Yet, later in the draft some true free safeties are:

- Jadar Johnson, Clemson
- Lorenzo Jerome, St. Francis
- Jordan Sterns, Oklahoma St.
- Eddie Jackson, Alabama <--- but INJ last season, and an ex-cornerback. So, I am not that high on him as a prospect.
- John Johnson, Boston College

6- A player that has been championed by others on this board and that I am coming around to is Adoree Jackson out of USC. His has questionable size, but he does remind me that Jerraud Powers worked pretty well in this defense for a couple of years at a similar size. Jackson seems like a guy who could thrive in off man coverage.

Adoree Jackson is an explosive player, no doubt. An ex-wide receiver as well. But, we have plenty of nickel back/safety tweeners on the team. The Cardinals need the larger, press man, cornerback. To draft Jackson, one would have to draft him in the second round, a round that I would hope the Cardinals use to draft a larger cornerback like Kevin King, Cordea Tankersly, Quincy Wilson, Tez Tabor, Fabian Moreau, to name a few.


Just my two cents. Good write up.

 

[juza76]

We need to draft a pass rusher
Jervis Jones is not the player who can emerge in case of golden or Chandler injury

 

[Mitch]

I agree.

The Raiders are a VERY VERY tempting team to talk to when it comes time to draft. They are looking for a power running back, and Fornette would be EXACTLY what they are looking for. Plus they are a team looking to be "All in" for next season. The Cardinals could trade down with them and pick up either a 3rd or 4th pick, and be in a good spot to possibly get a QB.

Not to mention a 3rd or 4th pick to get an extra safety or cornerback.



Much like Keim did last year, he traded for a pass rusher instead of drafting one.

I think Jarvis Jones is that pass rusher for this season that has been brought in. I do not think the Cardinals draft an edge rusher this draft.




Williams is a 2nd round pick and Josh Jones is a 2nd/3rd round pick. Both good options, and I like both players.

Yet, later in the draft some true free safeties are:

- Jadar Johnson, Clemson
- Lorenzo Jerome, St. Francis
- Jordan Sterns, Oklahoma St.
- Eddie Jackson, Alabama <--- but INJ last season, and an ex-cornerback. So, I am not that high on him as a prospect.
- John Johnson, Boston College




Adoree Jackson is an explosive player, no doubt. An ex-wide receiver as well. But, we have plenty of nickel back/safety tweeners on the team. The Cardinals need the larger, press man, cornerback. To draft Jackson, one would have to draft him in the second round, a round that I would hope the Cardinals use to draft a larger cornerback like Kevin King, Cordea Tankersly, Quincy Wilson, Tez Tabor, Fabian Moreau, to name a few.


Just my two cents. Good write up.

Rugby---BA recently may have tipped the Cardinals' hand a little when within the same sentence he said they really wanted to draft a punt returner and then said they wanted a CB who "could play the nickel." The first two players who came to mind were Jabrill Peppers and Adoree Jackson.

In addition, the Cardinals are showing quite a bit of interest in some of the edge rushers in this draft: Haason Reddick, Carl Lawson, Derek Rivers, Tyus Bowser, Trey Hendrickson and Samson Ebukam have been interviewed and/or worked out by Cardinals' coaches.

 

[juza76]

Rugby---BA recently may have tipped the Cardinals' hand a little when within the same sentence he said they really wanted to draft a punt returner and then said they wanted a CB who "could play the nickel." The first two players who came to mind were Jabrill Peppers and Adoree Jackson.

In addition, the Cardinals are showing quite a bit of interest in some of the edge rushers in this draft: Haason Reddick, Carl Lawson, Derek Rivers, Tyus Bowser, Trey Hendrickson and Samson Ebukam have been interviewed and/or worked out by Cardinals' coaches.

Another prospect cardinals had for a private workout was Dylan Cole , Lb Missouri State
Look at his numbers

Pro Day Results
Combine Invite:
Height: 6004
Weight: 239
40 Yrd Dash:
20 Yrd Dash:
10 Yrd Dash: 225 Lb. Bench Reps:
Vertical Jump:
Broad Jump:
20 Yrd Shuttle:
3-Cone Drill:


Dates: 03/22/17
Height: 6004
Weight: 239
40 Yrd Dash: 4.54
20 Yrd Dash: 2.58
10 Yrd Dash: 1.52 225 Lb. Bench Reps: 32
Vertical Jump: 39
Broad Jump: 10'05"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.19
3-Cone Drill: 6.82

 

[juza76]

Ok I watched this cole on tape
Not really good
Based on tape should be undrafted
But he is a freak of athlete so could be a 6rounder

 

[Chopper0080]

I agree.

The Raiders are a VERY VERY tempting team to talk to when it comes time to draft. They are looking for a power running back, and Fornette would be EXACTLY what they are looking for. Plus they are a team looking to be "All in" for next season. The Cardinals could trade down with them and pick up either a 3rd or 4th pick, and be in a good spot to possibly get a QB.

Not to mention a 3rd or 4th pick to get an extra safety or cornerback.



Much like Keim did last year, he traded for a pass rusher instead of drafting one.

I think Jarvis Jones is that pass rusher for this season that has been brought in. I do not think the Cardinals draft an edge rusher this draft.




Williams is a 2nd round pick and Josh Jones is a 2nd/3rd round pick. Both good options, and I like both players.

Yet, later in the draft some true free safeties are:

- Jadar Johnson, Clemson
- Lorenzo Jerome, St. Francis
- Jordan Sterns, Oklahoma St.
- Eddie Jackson, Alabama <--- but INJ last season, and an ex-cornerback. So, I am not that high on him as a prospect.
- John Johnson, Boston College




Adoree Jackson is an explosive player, no doubt. An ex-wide receiver as well. But, we have plenty of nickel back/safety tweeners on the team. The Cardinals need the larger, press man, cornerback. To draft Jackson, one would have to draft him in the second round, a round that I would hope the Cardinals use to draft a larger cornerback like Kevin King, Cordea Tankersly, Quincy Wilson, Tez Tabor, Fabian Moreau, to name a few.


Just my two cents. Good write up.

Of your S group, I think John Johnson is the best option as a single high FS by a large margin. I really like Xavier Woods as a replacement for Tony Jefferson, but he also doen't fill the true single high FS I believe we will pursue.

In regards to CB, keep in mind that we play off man as much if not more than we play press man. I agree that the Cardinals do look to have their make tackles on the edge which favors players like Quincy Wilson, Marlon Humphrey, Marshon Lattimore, and Fabian Moreau.

 

[Mitch]

Of your S group, I think John Johnson is the best option as a single high FS by a large margin. I really like Xavier Woods as a replacement for Tony Jefferson, but he also doen't fill the true single high FS I believe we will pursue.

In regards to CB, keep in mind that we play off man as much if not more than we play press man. I agree that the Cardinals do look to have their make tackles on the edge which favors players like Quincy Wilson, Marlon Humphrey, Marshon Lattimore, and Fabian Moreau.

I totally agree and would add that despite his lack of size Damontae Kazee (San Diego St.) is a total baller in run support. I think Rasul Douglas (West Virginia) fits the profile as well.