Rashard Lewis...

[panfolk]

may be the odd man out in Seattle now. Assuming he'd be willing to excersize his player option in the event of a trade could we offer anything Seattle would want after getting Durant? Anybody out there got a bead on Seattle's needs (calling MigratingOsprey)? I guess we could try and convince them that Boris is their man. I would rather not lose Boris, but I think Lewis would work better alongside Amare. Maybe KT and JR? I've already proven that I can't write trade proposals to save my life so I'll let someone else come up with one.

 

[CaptainInsano]

Really? You got a link by any chance because last I heard a few days ago they were going to sign him to a beefy contract.

*edit: I just looked on the realgm sonics boards and it looks like we could hit a goldmine for both teams here. Seattle fans are definately willing.

The basic trade is:

Lewis (S&T starting at $12 mil for 5)
Wilcox
Watson

for

Marion
Kurt (maybe diaw depending on what they want I hope we could give boris instead of kurt to them, they have enough salary room anyway they don't need an expiring)
Banks
#29

Seattles situation means they are definately willing to give banks a try in their system as a 6th man/backup PG or whatnot.

This trade rules for both teams IMHO, We get to try watson for our backup and he is competant in 21 mins getting almost 6 assists in our system as backup PG that would be great. Wilcox and lewis obviously don't need to be explained.

I just hope we can keep Kurt because Wilcox + Kurt as our center in the playoffs would be great, plus I think boris would be great in their system, no bonafide amare like scoring center/pf in their system yet still run and gun which is how boris did amazing last year. I think seattle should go for boris.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

Holy crap, dude! Do we have pics of SEA's owner screwing a goat or something?!?!?!

I'd LOVE that trade, but that is ridiculously lopsided for the Suns!

Nash-Watson
Bell-Barbosa
Lewis-Jones
Wilcox-Diaw
Stoudemire-#24(Splitter?)

Though I'd rather them take Diaw for the contract reasons, which is why they'd want Thomas anyways....

Wilcox-Splitter
Stoudemire-Thomas

 

[sharkman]

Holy crap, dude! Do we have pics of SEA's owner screwing a goat or something?!?!?!

I'd LOVE that trade, but that is ridiculously lopsided for the Suns!

Nash-Watson
Bell-Barbosa
Lewis-Jones
Wilcox-Diaw
Stoudemire-#24(Splitter?)

I'm right there with ya buddy...

...if that was the trade offer I'd bite my thumb and sign the thing in blood before anyone had a chance to change their minds...

 

[panfolk]

I wasn't aware that people were giving up on Watson or Wilcox. Also why would they want Marion if they're getting Durant? I think KT and JR plus #24 would give them an expiring contract, a veteran center (they play Wilcox at PF mostly if I'm not mistaken), a replacement SF for the rotation, plus a draft pick in a deep first round. If we could get Lewis and the rights to Halperin (or one of their early second round picks) I'd be content.

 

[sharkman]

Holy crap, dude! Do we have pics of SEA's owner screwing a goat or something?!?!?!

I agree...do the deal before someone changes their mind...

...btw...I'm selling pics of the goat cheap....

 

[Divide Et Impera]

I'd then see if I could get a follow up trade to the late lottery or just outside the lottery by sending Diaw/#24 for some older veteran on a longish deal (3+ years left) plus the pick to ENSURE we get Splitter....

Diaw/#24 to NO for BJackson/#13

Diaw/#24 to WAS for EThomas/#16

Diaw/#24 to NJ for JCollins/#17

That's about it....

 

[CaptainInsano]

Guys, seriously, shhh.

I went to their boards and they for sure seemed to be up for it. I think they are worried about the franchise moving and want to make some big moves.

Edit: I see now, it is the above also combined with the fact that they believe rashard is going to take the option (since durant is coming to town) and sign somewhere else for big $$$ = seattle gets nothing. Would durant right away put them in the playoffs with rashard gone? Probably not and the franchise in seattle is on the line so they seem willing. Problem is I bet their GM is a different story.

Anyway, we are in a position to strike a great deal here, and I am so depressed that D'antoni is not going to do it. Please please PLEASE MIKE WAKE UP!

 

[Divide Et Impera]

Guys, seriously, shhh.

I went to their boards and they for sure seemed to be up for it. I think they are worried about the franchise moving and want to make some big moves.

You're right! I forgot that front office personnel decisions were made over teh Internets....

 

[CaptainInsano]

You're right! I forgot that front office personnel decisions were made over teh Internets....

I am not talking about front office here, I am talking more of sonics fans coming over and seeing what you guys are saying.

Damn but now our cover is blown lets just hope no seattle people hop over here too much.

I am serious, I am of the "never let the word get out if it can end up screwing you" scenario.

*edit again: But besides it is not going to happen anyway with coach basically saying marion stays put.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

What the hell are a bunch of SEA fans gonna do to ruin a trade taht any reasonable GM would laugh at?

 

[CaptainInsano]

What the hell are a bunch of SEA fans gonna do to ruin a trade taht any reasonable GM would laugh at?

Word passes out man, from the oddest places too. It is not gonna happen anyway though. Just a pipe dream, ahhh but a great one.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

Word passes out man, from the oddest places too. It is not gonna happen anyway though. Just a pipe dream, ahhh but a great one.

No kidding....

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[CaptainInsano]

The sad thing is, it is a pipe dream for seattle fans too. They are really worried about what happends to the franchise if they miss the playoffs again.

Durant is awesome but in the first year I don't see him pushing them into the playoffs if rashard goes, the west is too ugly.

 

[dodie53]

cool predator hair..

 

[CaptainInsano]

I would bet you that seattle (well at least their fans) would do diaw +24 for sign and trade 12/per Rashard.

I don't know how the salaries work in matching

"One complication with sign-and-trade deals is that the signed player can immediately become a BYC player, so the player's BYC value must be used when determining whether the trade is allowed."

But it would seem with the pick counting as much as 3 million it would be allowed.

Sounds like there is a 90% chance rashard opts and they are willing to grab whatever they can in return.

Thing is though if we could get away with that another team would probably offer something better anyway.

 

[hcsilla]

I wouldn't trade Marion for Lewis.

I would give Diaw, Banks, JJ, ATL's pick for Lewis (S&T), Watson.

 

[CaptainInsano]

So I did this trade at realgm:

Lewis sign and trade
Wilcox
Watson

for

Marion
Boris
Banks
#29
ATL pick next year
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Check out the replies:

#1
"As for the trade posted, I don't think the problem is with Seattle - Phoenix wouldn't do it. "

"Adding the unrestricted Atlanta 1st skews this strongly towards Seattle."

#2
"that's a very good trade for Seattle."
------------------------

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Wow, phoenix is so lucky in this scenario because fans outside of phoenix can't recognize the intangibles to this. We get everything and all that hurts to give up really is marion and the atlanta pick in a weak draft that could be in the late-late teen's if it doesn't pan out (most likely since in a weak eastern conference where the 2 major picks THIS year went to the west).

Imagine going into next year with:
+ #24 + Rashard + Wilcox + Watson

- Marion (basically)

Hmm, I think I should sell the "this is a robbery for seattle but I think the suns might accept the lesser deal because it gives them what they need" act over there.

 

[jandaman]

Getting Lewis here would certainly help, even if Marion exits.

Defense goes down a bit, but Lewis is the better offense player. Marion is the better finisher and everything else though, but Lewis will spread out the defense outwards which would mean more inside space for Amare.

That trade seems fair, but I doubt Seattle wil budge, since Wilcox is a keeper for them.

 

[cly2tw]

All the trade proposal for Lewis etc. won't help much if we don't change our offensive approach and establish more solid options outside Nash dribbling in circles to no avail against the Spurs.

 

[CaptainInsano]

Looks like lewis has already opted out of his contract and is looking for a new one.

This deal is officially dead.

 

[elindholm]

Looks like lewis has already opted out of his contract and is looking for a new one.

This deal is officially dead.

Why? Seattle can still do a sign-and-trade.

 

[Ollie]

Yeah, a sign-and-trade is basically his only way out since there's about 2 teams (Orlando and Charlotte) with enough cap space to give him the kind of contract he wants.

And there's a good chance that these teams WON'T pursue Lewis at all.

 

[KloD]

Yeah, a sign-and-trade is basically his only way out since there's about 2 teams (Orlando and Charlotte) with enough cap space to give him the king of contract he wants.

And there's a good chance that these teams WON'T pursue Lewis at all.

Atlanta?

 

[MigratingOsprey]

I was actually up in seattle for the past couple of days (and portland the day before that) - talked a lot of hoops with the locals

in seattle there is a ton of concern about them moving amongst basketball fans - the diehard sonic fans see them moving at years end - the rest of the city, in typical seattle form, is apathetic

lewis has opted out of his deal and is looking for new money - I think he values himself higher than he actually is - the guy is very talented, but not assertive enough to be a true star in the league and at this point I don't think he'll ever develop it

i think he would be a great third option behind allen & durant - only problem is it would require him to play off the block a little bit more - he'd rather hang by the line

i think the #2 pick may make him a bit more expendable

I personally think diaw is garbage and would want no part of him - marion could make sense - the change of scenery could give him the air of being "the man" and his defense is something the sonics could surely use

the sonics have 3 low cost project as center (swift, petro & mo sene), wilcox was very inconsistent at the 4, lewis is usually steady and a good player, allen is a good player - then they have around $16M tied up between ridnour & watson, neither played like starters last year

what the sonics need next year is health - assuming that, they would have a couple different looking lineup options

ridnour would start the point, allen the 2 and durant the 3 - if they keep lewis do they start him at the 4 and run wilcox at the 5? or do they start swift and bring collison & wilcox off the bench with watson

seattle has a lot of good bench depth that could help out phoenix - they just need better play from the point and more consistent play across the board

i honestly don't know how durant & lewis would fit in together and given that lewis would want over $10m per year (believing he's a superstar) he could very well be on his way out regardless - hurting the sonics buying power

however, clay is still playing the whole "want to keep the team in seattle" card - dumping lewis may be seen as a salary cut and restructure to move type deal which could buy a lot of bad will in the public