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I have been out of gamine for a few years but I'm ready to pull the trigger on a gaming system and I'm unsure which one I should buy. I'm leaning towards an Xbox because of the kinect, my wife and I both like that feature. We enjoy playing the tennis and bowling and she would like to do some yoga or whatever that fitness stuff is.

I can't find anything comparable to kinect on the playstation 4 although I'm sure there has to be something.

I don't have a bunch of time to game since I work full time and am going to school online, I do not have a netflix account but I would use the game console for a blue ray/dvd player occasionally but probably not often because I have AppleTV and a jailbreak iPad that I stream movies with.

If Xbox is the console for me, should I pay for the newer Xbox One or is the Xbox 360 good enough? Also, 4G or 250G? I'm not sure why the size of the hard drive matters, I suppose for downloading movies or games.

So I need some advice from you guys, thanks.
 

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Get the xbox one if you are going to go xbox.
 

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I have been out of gamine for a few years but I'm ready to pull the trigger on a gaming system and I'm unsure which one I should buy. I'm leaning towards an Xbox because of the kinect, my wife and I both like that feature. We enjoy playing the tennis and bowling and she would like to do some yoga or whatever that fitness stuff is.

I can't find anything comparable to kinect on the playstation 4 although I'm sure there has to be something.

I don't have a bunch of time to game since I work full time and am going to school online, I do not have a netflix account but I would use the game console for a blue ray/dvd player occasionally but probably not often because I have AppleTV and a jailbreak iPad that I stream movies with.

If Xbox is the console for me, should I pay for the newer Xbox One or is the Xbox 360 good enough? Also, 4G or 250G? I'm not sure why the size of the hard drive matters, I suppose for downloading movies or games.

So I need some advice from you guys, thanks.


I download a lot of digital games and fill up my harddrives, it can happen rather fast. If you have been out of the game for some time I would buy a used xbox 360 and kinect and start there before making the $500 plunge into the new system.

I have the xbox one and love it but me and the kids still play 360 a lot and there are far more kinect games on 360 than on the xbox one.

PS - IMO bowling and etc isnt much fun on kinect, better off with a WII for that.
 

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I download a lot of digital games and fill up my harddrives, it can happen rather fast. If you have been out of the game for some time I would buy a used xbox 360 and kinect and start there before making the $500 plunge into the new system.

I have the xbox one and love it but me and the kids still play 360 a lot and there are far more kinect games on 360 than on the xbox one.

PS - IMO bowling and etc isnt much fun on kinect, better off with a WII for that.

I agree, buy the used 360 before spending the extra dough on the Xbone (however the xbox fitness stuff on the Xbone is pretty good). Although I completely disagree about the WII being better/more fun than kinect. The WII is just altogether a horrible piece of garbage. My family has a lot of fun playing kinect games.
 

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I agree, buy the used 360 before spending the extra dough on the Xbone (however the xbox fitness stuff on the Xbone is pretty good). Although I completely disagree about the WII being better/more fun than kinect. The WII is just altogether a horrible piece of garbage. My family has a lot of fun playing kinect games.


kinect is fun but the kinect bowling I thought was weak compared to Wii bowling but its my opinion only.

Honestly, we have never found much use for kinect on either console and I have a 12 and a 6 year old. The 6 year old seems to be too short to play it :shrug:
 

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kinect is fun but the kinect bowling I thought was weak compared to Wii bowling but its my opinion only.

Honestly, we have never found much use for kinect on either console and I have a 12 and a 6 year old. The 6 year old seems to be too short to play it :shrug:

I hear ya. The kinect isn't great but I just hate the WII. My 13 yr old doesn't like it but my 10 year old does, mainly the dance games. She likes it but gets frustrated with it when it doesn't pick her up all the time. Since I mounted my kinect on top of my tv and have it angled down a bit I noticed it is a little better though. I, personally, don't use it, except for voice commands.
 

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The hard drive matters. Lots of games want to install stuff onto the HD, so in reality many 360 games don't work on the 4GB version because it simply doesn't have the space to install a single game. So if you buy the 4GB version there will be a ton of games that simply won't play on that version. Though this might be overcome by using a USB memory stick... I think they allow up to 16 or 32 gb sticks. But you'd have to buy one and still have very limited space and have to manage that with every game or two you install.

I also wouldn't buy a 360 used. Since they are such low quality design, odds are high you will get one that fails in short order. Especially if it's one of the earlier designs, and they had like 4 of them or so.

The Xbox 360 is made like garbage, even the newer 360's have issues, but not as much as the earlier versions. But when my 2nd disc drive was going out on my launch console (after RRoD, disc scratch, hard drive fail, and before another RRoD), I couldn't install Halo 4 onto my hard drive, and thus was never able to play Halo 4. So if you want a 360, definitely get one with a good sized hard drive. At least 120 GB's. But ones that size are probably older, so you should probably go with the 250 GB's.

Another thing to take into account is that for this time in the life cycle of the console, it should be MUCH less expensive. So you would be paying a huge premium. Think of it this way, the Xbox One literally has a sub $100 PC graphics card inside of it ($60-80 worth), and a laptop CPU, and they are charging $399-499 for it. So the fact they charge $249-299 for a 360 is highway robbery. A $29.99 PC graphics card is better. In all honesty, the guts (power) in the Xbox One show it shouldn't have ever been priced above $299.99. It's a stretch for their new console to be charged above that. You could buy a graphics card twice as powerful as the Xbox One, a year and a half earlier then when the Xbox One came out for $100 less. The PS4 is also underpowered, but it's graphics components are a class above. (Which is one reason why a $399 more powerful system is easily outselling a less powerful $499 system where the makers gave the middle finger to gamers with all their idiotic ideas to take stuff away from you). So basically you should realize that a 360/PS3 price cut could easily happen this year. You might find come Xmas these older consoles at $50-100 cheaper then they are now.

Also be aware that any online gaming on 360 will require an XBox Live account and subscription at $60 a year. They also like to bill it recurring. Buy the cards in store to get around that issue, and sometimes you can get a discount too.

Xbox One and PS4 both have a subscription needed to play online, however Sony doesn't keep as much behind the paywall. For instance, free to play games, on the PS4, are actually free to play, even if online. Netflix and others apps aren't behind the subscription paywall. Meanwhile Microsoft is more restrictive, though they are trying to change things a bit, but not sure how exactly. Mostly because PS+ is much better value, because it gives you 2 free games a month, which Microsoft has now copied with Games with Gold.

Meanwhile the PS3 has NO subscription to play online. Oh, and if you get a PS+ subscription you get free games on PS3, PS4, and Vita handheld. Great deal.

The Xbox One was designed to not work unless it could check in online every 24 hours. Luckily people who don't like to bend over, complained big time, and got idiotic stuff like this changed, but of course, only after a huge sales disparity between the Xbox One and PS4 showed up. Their Xbox One UI is horrible, because they assumed everyone would want to use their voice, they made it really crappy for people to navigate with a controller. Basically forcing you to use voice if you didn't want to go crazy. This will be updated, I'm sure, but when and what year is unknown.

FWIW many games want to EACH install 6-10 GB's on an Xbox 360 hard drive, and for PC games, many games are 20-40 GB's and are on their way up to much, much higher. Like 100+ in a couple of years. But that's PC using higher quality assets that the 360 won't have. But PS4/XB1 will get assets decently up that chain as well.

Even 500 GB's on the new consoles is really, really small. Again if digital download games are ever going to be bought, even Xbox One and PS4 will have issues holding many games, aside from the small indie ones. Digital downloads you can't sell or trade the game, but you can get it much faster and don't have to worry about scratched discs or your kids friends stealing the discs. You can get the games on day 1, rather then wait until it's in stock or the UPS man comes a week after launch, unless you pay the insane overnight shipping charge. So while you may not want digital downloads now, you may want to in the future, and these above issues are most of the pros/cons behind it to ponder for the future.

Depending on size of the game both new systems will hold 10-15 full size AAA games at 15-40 GB's per game. There is talk of them increasing the size to 1 TB, which is still REALLY REALLY SMALL. If people want to go the whole generation 4-8 years, and buy mostly digital games, they are going to need 2-6 TB's of space. Hell my steam account has probably 4 TB's taken up, and almost half my games aren't installed, and again, the size of games is set to ramp up drastically. The new Wolfenstein was like 40 GB's.

So to fit the same amount of games on a 360, a 250 GB 360 is equivalent roughly to if they offered a 1.5-2 TB version of the Xbox One. So a 360 with a 250 GB hard drive will hold quite a few games. Still smallish, but definitely workable.

Luckily Xbox One allows for a external HD to be hooked up via USB. PS4 allows you to remove the internal hard drive and put in a new internal HD...though it has to be a notebook one or a really thin desktop one. Somewhere between 11-14 MM thick...can't remember what exactly. So you can replace the PS4 one, but can't use an external one. The Xbox One can have an external one, but can't replace the internal one. Oh and the PS4 can use solid state hard drives, which vastly speed boot and loading times...but are REALLY expensive.

PS4 does have a camera you can buy separately. Both next-gen consoles barely use the camera for gaming. Sony advertised it far less, and hasn't specifically made games for it. Microsoft hyped it and forgot to bring the software. They did make Kinect Sports Rivals, and I think a couple of other things came out, but motion gaming in general has been determined to be a fad, and most gamers HATE motion gaming. So I don't expect much to be there in the future.

So if you are looking for the biggest library, it's in the past and would be located with the Wii/360/PS3.
But the Dance Dance Revolution games should be fine and continue on. They seem to be doing well.

The Kinect is mostly about voice commands these days, and really they could of just used a $2 microphone to achieve this.

Now that they've shifted their focus, removed Kinect from the box, and the main internal Microsoft studio that made Kinect games for them is going to make non-Kinect games, Kinect as a whole won't probably be supported much, gaming wise. Of course 3rd parties will like some voice controls and leaning in say Battlefield games, but they will generally be similar across platforms, and thus PS3/PS4/Xbox One/360 will get similar experiences. Like Battlefield.

The Sony Move on PS3 worked REALLY WELL. By far the most precise in the movements. It could literally pick up the spin of your arm to put spin on the ping pong ball, and worked EVERY TIME. Unfortunately it didn't sell well. But some of this is used for the PS4's camera, which is why the PS4 controller glows like the ball on the Move controller did for the PS3.

There is also the debate about how much information such cameras are collecting. Microsoft IS in bed with the NSA, and have been since the 90's at the very least. One of the Snowden documents actually showed they were investigating how to get access to the original Kinect on Xbox 360 a full YEAR before it even came out. I know most people think there's nothing to see, but that's just bull. There are plenty of reasons they've come up to spy on ordinary law abiding citizens, and in fact that what they are looking for, and the whole program is geared for, instead of terrorists. That and blackmail, corporate espionage, etc, etc.

So on that note, the Xbox 360 camera seems to be 'safer' then the Xbox One camera, because it's far less powerful, doesn't have it's own CPU, unlike the Xbox One version, so on and so forth. But the fact is the companies are required by law NOT to tell you what they are doing, so in fact they WILL LIE to you, because they HAVE TO, by law.

You shouldn't trust Sony or Microsoft, but at least Sony wasn't plastered on the Snowden documents unlike Microsoft which is basically numero uno in bed with the NSA.

The PS3 and 360 won't be supported much longer, though Sony usually supports their older systems longer. In fact last year Sony continued with huge AAA releases even though they were coming out with a new system, meanwhile Microsoft shafted the 360 owners by switching their production to Xbox One.

Sony also has multiple times the number of studios compared to Microsoft, so besides getting the best console version of all multiplatform games...i.e. Activision, Electronic Arts (EA/EA Sports), so on and so forth, they will also get the most in house exclusive games...by far. So the best running Call of Duty or Battlefield will be on PS4...console wise. It should also have the biggest online base due to higher PS4 sales. Currently worldwide it's about 2:1 ratio of PS4 outselling XB1... trending larger.

Both the PS4 and XB1 seem to be better designed reliability wise the 360 and PS3. Though PS3 was decently made. The 360 was a nightmare of epic proportions. Neither consoles have a major issue like last generation. For instance, of the launch consoles, it is estimated that over half of all 360's from the first year failed within the first two years. Microsoft had to do a billion dollar charge to pay for the repairs, and that was just ONE of MANY issues that POS console had.

Neither the Xbox One or PS4 are backwards compatible. Meaning you can't play PS3 or 360 games on them.

The Wii U doesn't have as much motion gaming... BUT it is backwards compatible. I never had a Wii, but I did buy a Wii U, so I bought some Wii games to play on it.

It is cheaper, but it is also much less powerful. The main cost is the gamepad which has a 6 inch screen on it. It's cool, but they don't use it very well. But it is pretty cool. I loved calling killstreaks down with it in Call of Duty. So power to price it is even a worse bargain then an Xbox One. BUT Nintendo has the Nintendo IP's, like Mario, Star Fox, Zelda, etc, etc, etc...they put out a ton of good games no one else can. But 3rd party support has dried up big time.

Both the PS4 and Xbox One have blu ray players, so you get one if you don't have one by now anyways. Of the older consoles only the PS3 has a blu ray.

As for 360 vs PS3 power wise... 360 had better running multiplatform games due to easier coding, but the PS3 had more power but almost impossible to code. So first party exclusives look better then the games on the 360, but multiplatform games always ran better on the 360.

Also don't forget about PC. These days a PC connects to your HDTV, so you can literally have a PC hooked up to a PC and PS4 and Xbox One and Wii U all at the same time. Also most PC games that have console versions can use a controller. Hell I use a 360 controller for windows on many of my games. You can tailor what you need and upgrade as necessary and never pay a premium price if you put it together yourself (also pretty easy these days). It'll cost similar or more, depending on parts, but it's still a great value because it's a PC, and with all the sales on Steam, GoG, Greenmangaming, Origin, Uplay, etc, etc, etc... you get games MUCH CHEAPER on PC then on consoles.

Every game you purchase on a console sends $10 to Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo. Now some devs scumbag you and charge $60 for a PC version, but many only charge $50, and it'll be the best version to boot. Steam sales are epic. Tons of games for $3-5-10-20 that are normally $20-60. So you can get a lot more games for your money on PC then anywhere else.

Sorry for the length, just since you said you've been out of gaming for a while, it's important to see the entire spectrum before you decide to buy something. Because as I've said, you could get the power of an Xbox One on PC in 2010 on a single card for less then the Xbox One cost. Let alone the ones who want to put four $1500 graphics cards in their system. You can do that, or buy a graphics card that has 2-3 more raw power for the price of an Xbox One with Kinect ($400-500 or so for the graphics card). Literally there are PC's out there that are 25x as powerful as an Xbox One. 15-20x a PS4. But the average midrange PC that will cost 800-1200 depending on how selective you are can easily double or triple the raw power of an Xbox One... and of course every year or so a new line of graphics cards comes out, like Nvidia's Maxwell later this year (but the true 20nm newer smaller lithography process ones worth buying won't come out until next year, the initial ones will be on 28nm).

So overall you have tons of things to ponder. Or maybe you are going to want two consoles. A newer one and an older one. Because in the end, you want what you want and what will make your kids happy. Hopefully the above info gives you what you need to make the best decision. Just realize it's quite complicated based on everything that revolves around gaming today.
 
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Playstation has a camera that does everything the Kinect does as far as mimicking your movements. No voice commands though.

Xbox has been so thoroughly dominated by the PS4 that they have already removed the Kinect on their Xbox, which means you won't see many games that support it in the future.

If you like online shooters you should go with the Xbox. If you like anything else you should go with the PS4.
 
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Interesting info, this is a more complicated decision than I thought. Thank you guys very much. I think I should look into this PS4 camera a little more before making a decision.
 

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Online shooter fans (a ton) have switched to PS4 as Xbox Live doesn't add anything that the PS4 version's of the network can't match. Some people stayed because of their friend lists, and some held out hope that Xbox Live was better, but most of everyone else jumped ship to PS4.

Some had some other preferences, but those too switched sides.


The PS3's online system wasn't that bad, what it didn't have was Party Chat like the 360 and a unified system so each online portion was hit and miss. It was also seen as a stabler network, but this was back in the days where Sony's network was new and FREE. Whereas the 360 had a better infrastructure set up and you paid a fee. I bought almost all my shooters on 360 and only a couple on PS3.

What was strange is that Microsoft screwed that up (initially) with the Xbox One by removing what was so good. They removed the party system so everything was screwy and in that sense they were close to what the PS3's was, whereas PS4 took the mantle of what the 360 was because they had party chat.

I think Microsoft fixed that with an update, but alot of people were pissed at launch and for the next few months about that. So that advantage is gone and doesn't apply this generation. The PS4 network is good and has party chat.

Then with more power, the PS4 has a better shot at maintaining a better framerate. It's really up to the developer to prioritize what they want between Graphics, Resolution, and Framerate.

It all depends on what they want to do. The techniques already exist for stuff that's way past what these consoles can do. PC's can literally game BEYOND 4k if someone has the money. You can put a game across multiple monitors or hdtv's. You can use a 4ktv, you can literally even use multiple 4ktv's. I say this because it isn't like the new consoles are eventually going to hit limits, they already hit them compared to what PC's can do, and only through better knowledge of the console can they do more through better efficiency.

Consoles are good at this. They do have advantages over PC's. Mostly that everything is closer together with less extraneous junk, and only one set of specifications to specifically code to. So the latencies between parts and closed system nature of things makes them more efficient.

For the PS4 that means 1080p nearly every game unless a developer chooses not to with room to improve the quality of the graphics to closer match what PC's are already doing. For the Xbox One it's to possibly match the PS4 in resolution and that's about it. The efficiencies of the Xbox One will be going to try to neuter these gaps between the two consoles, whereas the PS4 will be to try to do more graphically within reason.

Framerate wise it's been pretty bad on the Xbox One. Call of Duty had some pretty bad slowdowns at 720p, whereas on PS4 there was actually judder because the game was running something like 90 frames per second at 1080p. BF4 is consistently at a higher framerate even though it's at 900p on PS4 versus 720p on Xbox One.

Titanfall was an Xbox One exclusive (except of course for PC and 360 versions), it was 792p with some pretty bad frame rate. Like worse then any of the other shooters that came out. But it also ran like crap on more powerful PC's, but people were also trying to run it at higher resolutions and better textures. Bad coding + less power = poor results.

Alot of these performance issues has to do with both their asinine decision to use DDR3 ram (like the ram in your computer) rather then go with GDDR5 which is the memory in videocards. So what the Xbox One (and the game makers) have to do is shuttle the framebuffer into a teeny tiny 32mb's of ESRAM which is much faster then the DDR3 ram. So it, like the PS3, is more complicated with some crazy weird limits because they can't go over that 32 mb's at a time. They have the DDR3 pathway, but it's significantly slower like 68 gb/s whereas the ESRAM has 180-200 gb/s. They can stream textures by tiling their resources, but this is all added complexity that decreases performance on top of the lower specs it has. It's not as difficult as the PS3 was to code, the problem is how the size of the ESRAM places certain constraints that then need to be worked around, as well as some other issues.

So like I said the PS3 was stronger then the 360, but the PS3 was difficult to code for. This time the PS4 is not only stronger, but also easier to code for. The Xbox One is more difficult to code for and doesn't have any extra power to hide behind. There are some tech demos for cloud computing, which can help with physics and AI, but it's years away and unproven, especially if they want to be able to provide that power to millions of consoles all at once. It sure didn't help with Titanfall.

Others have a controller preference. But the Xbox One uses a different controller. On top of this most people think the Xbox One controller is a step back. The 360 controller was very, very good. They messed with the analog sticks making them shorter and changed the triggers to digital and moved the placement of the bumper buttons. So some people had a bunch of issues and thought each of those things were downgraded.

Meanwhile the PS3's controller had issues with it's triggers, making it harder to play shooters as your fingers would slip off and they rectified this with the PS4's controller which is honestly to me equal to the 360 controller, perhaps even better. So controller is no longer an issue.

I mean Microsoft REALLY screwed up everything about this console. It's still capable of playing the same games that Sony's does, it just won't do it as well 90-99 percent of the time. Either not as pretty graphically, not as clear with lower resolutions on many of the same games, and framerate generally isn't as solid. Sometimes all the above.

This is a big deal with FPS. Better clarity = better shot to see the sniper that is sniping you. So you want a higher resolution if you can.

Better framerate = more fluid so you can tell what is going on in motion better. Many PC gamers want 120 FPS or even higher.

If you want to learn more about the disaster of the Xbox One google.... 'Xbox 180' and read some articles. You'll find a long list of articles with a long list of reversed decisions. These would have been/still be if people didn't complain.

Literally when college's draft new case studies of what not to do... alongside New Coke, there will be Xbox One. The decisions they made and expected people to take... wow, the hubris, the out of touch it showed.

Worse yet was that it was all leaked MONTHS before they even announced the console, and they didn't change any of it, even though the internet was blowing up with probably tens of thousands of posts and a dozen articles every single day showcasing the disaster it would be if any of the rumors were true. They had all this negative feedback, literally millions of posts, thousands of articles, with months of time to read before even an announcement that a new console even exists, and they still went ahead with it. All of it. They even had people blaming the public for not understanding or not being ready and all this crap. So they did all this AND they put their foot in the mouth time after time.

It even extends to sales reporting. Microsoft says 6 million shipped, which has like a million plus sitting on shelves unsold, so 4.9-5 million actually sold and Sony has sold about 9 million to actual customers.

How the mighty have fallen, it's sad. To put things into perspective, they made the Xbox One for the new generation, amid falling sales of the 360. Well in Mar-Jun 2013, they shipped 1.2 million 360's to retailers. Well even with the new console...from Mar-Jun 2014...they shipped 1.1 million 360's+Xbox Ones combined (and with a brand new SKU...the kinectless version from zero to full stock in stores as it came out in June). Those numbers are crazy bad.

Overall the ~5 million number isn't bad, and it's not dead or anything. But the online lobbies will be bigger and thus last longer on the PS4. Just like how they lasted longer last gen on 360.

It's a capable machine, don't get me wrong. It can do some decent things. It's not like Call of Duty won't run on it or anything like that. Sometimes things will look and perform the same. But this will be really rare and only happen if the developer makes a game that doesn't need much power, like say some indie games that don't tax the system very hard. If they try to use the power in both as much as feasibly possible, there is never going to be a time where the PS4 doesn't handily beat out the Xbox One. The power and architecture differences clearly places it a notch higher. It won't always manifest in games, but it usually will to greater or lesser degree. Some people won't notice the differences or lower framerate too much, but they will always be there.

Finally you have specific game preference. If your kid wants Halo, then he's going to need an Xbox One. Though the new one won't be out until late 2015 at the earliest. They will have a compilation of the first four Halo's on one disc coming out this fall on Xbox One, so there's that. But it's all repeat which won't appeal to everyone.

If they like Mario, it's only on Nintendo. If they want Infamous or Killzone or any of the other Sony games, they'll need Sony.
 

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holy crap cardsfan88

I read the first paragraph and the whole 360s are garbage and etc comments sound like those of s corned lover. I had 2 360s over the 8 years it was out, still on the second one. I think you just had bad luck. A refurbished 360 will have the RROD solved and etc.

BUT: new 360s are pretty cheap and I would get a new one. I dont have time to read the entire posts but chris saying shooters for xbox everything else on playstation are all weird comments to me. I dont even really play shooters and prefer the xbox.

What it boils down to: they are mostly the same thing. We are debating mercedes vs bmw here. They look a little different and have some different features but they are mostly the same thing with the same games and the same services. You will be happy with it either way if you want a gaming device. Dont fall for the red vs blue nonsence. xbox owners are happy with xbox. PS owners are happy with PS.

edit: LMAO xbox and NSA. Because the NSA gets any information out of watching you play a video game. hilarious. You do realize the average gamer is a nerdy 17 year old boy in his underwear ************ to magazines and yelling racist expletives on a microphone.
 
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Update: I bought an Xbox 360 and 4 games from Craigslist. I played a little GTA5 which was fun and then I tried Call of Duty. Holy Crap, COD kicked my butt, and I'm just talking the game version. I am so weak with aiming and changing the weapon and I need more practice looking the direction I'd like to look. Wow, I suck lol.
 

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Update: I bought an Xbox 360 and 4 games from Craigslist. I played a little GTA5 which was fun and then I tried Call of Duty. Holy Crap, COD kicked my butt, and I'm just talking the game version. I am so weak with aiming and changing the weapon and I need more practice looking the direction I'd like to look. Wow, I suck lol.


dual stick shooters take time to learn how to move fluidly and have twitch reactions but once you get it down, its a ton of fun.

which call of duty did you get?

GTA5 is solid, i didnt finish it but I had fun when I was playing it.

I can never finish those damn games, too involving and the stories typically water down half way through imo.
 
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dual stick shooters take time to learn how to move fluidly and have twitch reactions but once you get it down, its a ton of fun.

which call of duty did you get?

GTA5 is solid, i didnt finish it but I had fun when I was playing it.

I can never finish those damn games, too involving and the stories typically water down half way through imo.


It's Black Ops II. So far, I haven't had as much time to play as I'd like but later today looks promising.
 

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BLOPS2 was tons of fun. Online that is. I actually never play the single player. So if you get the online, it's pretty amazing.

Mess around with the settings perhaps. You may want to invert the look, or not. I know I like my FPS with it on. It gives more of that old skool feel back when 3D games were mostly inverted like plane controls.

Just remember left stick is feet, right stick is your head/aim. So you can literally be running in a different direction then you are looking/aiming.

Also CoD online is notoriously unfair at times online with people spawn camping, and the whole game rewards the good and punishes the bad with kill streaks. Making the good even more powerful. But yeah, it's ton of fun.

Try to set up your killstreaks with stuff you are more likely to get. You set them up and get them via how many kills you get in a row. Well odds are you won't be getting many kills in a row so forget about the ones where you need 9-25 kills in a row. Use the ones that are 3-7.

You also unlock perks as you go along. So maybe use the one where it takes a kill of your kill streak requirement. So say, instead of needing 3 kills in a row, you need only 2.

Faster movement one can help. Rapid fire is good. FMJ gives your bullets some more oomph as well as allows them to go through some objects.

You also have to remember some of these guys you are playing have been playing that game and pretty much that game only since fall 2012. Learn the maps and the places snipers tend to be. The unlocks keep you going as there are so many different options to choose from and with multiple loadouts you can be a sniper one minute and a SMG wielding madman sprinting around the map another.

I also suggest Battlefield 3 and 4. Get that/those game(s). It's even better then CoD online imo. Much more epic. Not as fast paced twitch shooter, but has it's own good gunfight feel, and the action is just amazing and blows Call of Duty out of the water. The scale is nothing like CoD, they got huge maps and buildings you can base jump off and everything. Tons of vehicles and weapons. Nothing like using an IGLA to take out C-130 or helicopter mowing down your teammates. I absolutely love the online portion. Basically all my first person shooters I buy for the online and rarely, if ever, touch the single player campaign.

The 360 will have an amazing library of games to catch up on. If you like shooters, then you should probably try the online, because let me tell you, if you like the game proper, the online portion should be amazing to you.

Haven't played GTAV, been waiting for the PC or next gen version. But it's supposed to have a really good online aspect to it.

Enjoy being back in gaming, it's been pretty good this last decade as you are now finding out.
 

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It's Black Ops II. So far, I haven't had as much time to play as I'd like but later today looks promising.


did you get xbox live? I own about 50 arcade games on xbox live and find I have more fun in the arcade than I do with most retail games. They typically run from $5 to $15. They also all have demos you can try before buying.
 

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I've been playing PC games for too long, because the last time I tried playing CoD with my bro-inlaw, it felt sluggish as hell. I don't know if it was the settings or what, but the movement felt slow with the sticks (turning, aiming, etc) and didn't seem to have any recoil on the guns. I don't recall which version it was, but I'm thinking Black Ops II. As for Battlefield, I love the series. I like what they're doing with BF4 now, but it was pretty crappy when it first launched. And CF88, the IGLA is nice, but nothing beats taking out a chopper with a perfect SRAW shot from across the map ;)
 
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I do not have XBOX Live yet. I'm probably going to check it out soon though.
 

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I do not have XBOX Live yet. I'm probably going to check it out soon though.


In the arcade i think youll find hours and hours of fun. I recommend the Worms series (except the 3d one) the trials series and countless other titles. Castle crashers rocks.

Also once you get live, youll get to download two free games per month to your harddrive. See the "games with gold" threads.
 

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BLOPS2 was tons of fun. Online that is. I actually never play the single player. So if you get the online, it's pretty amazing.

Mess around with the settings perhaps. You may want to invert the look, or not. I know I like my FPS with it on. It gives more of that old skool feel back when 3D games were mostly inverted like plane controls.

Just remember left stick is feet, right stick is your head/aim. So you can literally be running in a different direction then you are looking/aiming.

Also CoD online is notoriously unfair at times online with people spawn camping, and the whole game rewards the good and punishes the bad with kill streaks. Making the good even more powerful. But yeah, it's ton of fun.

Try to set up your killstreaks with stuff you are more likely to get. You set them up and get them via how many kills you get in a row. Well odds are you won't be getting many kills in a row so forget about the ones where you need 9-25 kills in a row. Use the ones that are 3-7.

You also unlock perks as you go along. So maybe use the one where it takes a kill of your kill streak requirement. So say, instead of needing 3 kills in a row, you need only 2.

Faster movement one can help. Rapid fire is good. FMJ gives your bullets some more oomph as well as allows them to go through some objects.

You also have to remember some of these guys you are playing have been playing that game and pretty much that game only since fall 2012. Learn the maps and the places snipers tend to be. The unlocks keep you going as there are so many different options to choose from and with multiple loadouts you can be a sniper one minute and a SMG wielding madman sprinting around the map another.

I also suggest Battlefield 3 and 4. Get that/those game(s). It's even better then CoD online imo. Much more epic. Not as fast paced twitch shooter, but has it's own good gunfight feel, and the action is just amazing and blows Call of Duty out of the water. The scale is nothing like CoD, they got huge maps and buildings you can base jump off and everything. Tons of vehicles and weapons. Nothing like using an IGLA to take out C-130 or helicopter mowing down your teammates. I absolutely love the online portion. Basically all my first person shooters I buy for the online and rarely, if ever, touch the single player campaign.

The 360 will have an amazing library of games to catch up on. If you like shooters, then you should probably try the online, because let me tell you, if you like the game proper, the online portion should be amazing to you.

Haven't played GTAV, been waiting for the PC or next gen version. But it's supposed to have a really good online aspect to it.

Enjoy being back in gaming, it's been pretty good this last decade as you are now finding out.

I'm like you. I never play the campaigns. I just get those games to just play online. I started out playing on PC, Call of Duty 2 and played PC till Modern Warfare 2 until my buddies all started playing on Xbox. So I tried to play on Xbox and it was so different. I was horrible on xbox. I'm not an expert on PC either, but I can hold my own. When it came to playing with a controller, I sucked. I just can't manage to aim the gun right with the toggle on the controller. Its easy with the mouse, point and SHOOT! Just dusted off my Modern Warfare 2 last night and had a blast on the PC. Still love that game!
 
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I'm like you. I never play the campaigns. I just get those games to just play online. I started out playing on PC, Call of Duty 2 and played PC till Modern Warfare 2 until my buddies all started playing on Xbox. So I tried to play on Xbox and it was so different. I was horrible on xbox. I'm not an expert on PC either, but I can hold my own. When it came to playing with a controller, I sucked. I just can't manage to aim the gun right with the toggle on the controller. Its easy with the mouse, point and SHOOT! Just dusted off my Modern Warfare 2 last night and had a blast on the PC. Still love that game!

That's awesome, Shaggy. I feel the same way about PC/Xbox. Gaming on my PC years ago was pretty easy. This will show my age, but I used to play Max Payne, Return to Castle Wolfenstein, one of the Dooms, and the very early CODs on PC and I liked the online versions a lot. Changing to a controller is going to be a bit of work though. I played for about an hour today already and will work on it later also.

I know full well once I get into an online game I will get my butt kicked but oh well, it will be fun.
 

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It can be done. I was using mouse and keyboard (or Nostromo 52) to play up until I got the 360.

I've always used joysticks and gamepads too, even on the Apple II, so I actually used joysticks at home before I ever used a mouse. Of course at the arcades it was joysticks as well.

But yeah online FPS didn't really hit huge popularity until Unreal came out. I was pretty decent, but actually strayed away from playing online games until I got cable internet. I was sure the ol' 56k wasn't going to cut it. I decided to try it and it actually worked. Wasn't too much later I got cable internet around 2003-4.

So yeah with the 360, it took a bit to get used to it, but I got so used to playing FPS with those, now I suck with a keyboard and mouse lol. Since most games have gamepad options I usually just suck it up and play with that disadvantage. I have BF3 on PC, and my K/D sucks, but I can have my moments. With BF4 on PS4 I absolutely rock. Or at least did a few months ago lol. Like with any FPS, if you don't play for a few weeks your ability drops quite a bit until you play a few matches to get back into the groove.

So yeah it's definitely possible to learn to use the controller and in the process even forget how to do KB+Mouse.

Another possible good way is to use both, so gamepad+mouse. I like doing that on Team Fortress 2. That way you get the easy movement the gamepad offers by using your left hand with the left stick of the controller, but precision control of a mouse with the right hand.
 

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I think it all boils down to what you are looking for. If you are looking for the console with a vast library I think XBOX 360 is the console. However, as other stated don't buy a used one. The hardware issues are no longer an issue with the newer models. They took care of that and the newer models are high quality. Also, the 360 library including digital has a alot more to offer than first person shooters.

In terms of a newer system, neither the PS4 or the XBOX ONE has much of a library. It appears the PS4 will get more exclusives this time around and has the better hardware. However, the XBOX ONE is still content king IMO in terms of media and media rich features. Plus the XBOX ONE interface is still better versus the PS4. Also, I still think the PS4 is playing catchup to the XBOX LIVE service but Sony is closing that gap.

Both newer systems can/will continue to support additional storage so in this generation you don't have to worry about space. To be perfectly honest, don't buy into the resolution hype or buy into that there is much difference between the PS4 and XBOX one graphics wise. I own both and in real world performance despite the fanboy arguments...simply put there is not a major difference. In fact, many hardcore gaming sites have done articles complaining that with both the PS4 and XBOX ONE the jump in quality was not enough for a next generation console period.

So, I would choose the system that provides you more with what your looking for. As in every single console generation to date...content is king. If you are looking simply for the best gaming experience and want something new...I would lean towards the PS4. If you are looking to use media features more heavily and looking for media content...I would lean towards to the XBOX ONE. If you don't care about the newer system, I think it's the 360 IMO.
 
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