Reds, Homer Bailey agree on $105M, 6-year deal (Yahoo Sports)

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Starter Homer Bailey agreed to a $105 million, six-year contract on Wednesday that avoids arbitration and will help the Cincinnati Reds with their cash flow by deferring some of the salary for short periods. Bailey was the final major league player left in arbitration this year and reached the agreement a day before his scheduled hearing in Florida. He made $5.35 million last season and had asked for $11.6 million in arbitration. The Reds had offered $8.7 million, their biggest gap among their players in arbitration.



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[Dback Jon]

Suddenly Bronson Arroyo looks like a bargain

 

[TJ]

Suddenly Bronson Arroyo looks like a bargain

Agree. These pitcher contracts are getting out of hand.

Bailey's contract breakdown.

2014 28 Cincinnati Reds $9,000,000
2015 29 Cincinnati Reds $10,000,000
2016 30 Cincinnati Reds $18,000,000
2017 31 Cincinnati Reds $19,000,000
2018 32 Cincinnati Reds $21,000,000
2019 33 Cincinnati Reds $23,000,000
2020 34 Cincinnati Reds *$25,000,000 $25M Mutual Option, $5M Buyout

Homer Bailey is good, but he's not someone people I'd pay $23 mil for in a season. Also, he has arguably the worst name for a pitcher. Homer? That's like having a batter named Strikeout Mendoza.

 

[Phrazbit]

Well have to revisit the idea of Arroyo being a "bargain" later, but at 37 years old and being average in his best years and awful in his bad ones... its hard to claim an 8 figure deal is a bargain.

As for the worst named pitcher. Homer Bailey is a rough one, but I think I'd give the nod to Grant Balfour. Best pitcher name: Josh Outman.

 

[AZ Native]

Homer Bailey is good, but he's not someone people I'd pay $23 mil for in a season. Also, he has arguably the worst name for a pitcher. Homer? That's like having a batter named Strikeout Mendoza.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Well have to revisit the idea of Arroyo being a "bargain" later, but at 37 years old and being average in his best years and awful in his bad ones... its hard to claim an 8 figure deal is a bargain.
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The dude has averaged more than 200 innings pitched for his last 9 straight seasons...with a very respectable WHIP over that span. And you claim he's been awful somewhere in there? Seriously?


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[Phrazbit]

The dude has averaged more than 200 innings pitched for his last 9 straight seasons...with a very respectable WHIP over that span. And you claim he's been awful somewhere in there? Seriously?


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So, that year (2011) where his ERA was over 5 and he crushed all of baseball in HRs allowed... that was a good year?

 

[BC867]

The dude has averaged more than 200 innings pitched for his last 9 straight seasons...with a very respectable WHIP over that span. And you claim he's been awful somewhere in there? Seriously?

An innings-eating starting pitcher makes a contribution by saving the bullpen, but that is all that accomplishes. Runs allowed is still the most important statistic on the scoreboard.

Likewise with WHIP. Walks and hits allowed per innings pitched don't separate the winners from the losers. Once again, it is earned runs allowed.

In the final analysis, it doesn't matter how many innings you pitch or how many walks and hits you give up. What matters is that, on any given day, did you pitch better than your opponent and be the difference maker in getting your team the win?

So the innings pitched and WHIP over the last 9 straight seasons for Arroyo, who is now 37, are hardly the determining factors in whether he was a good acquisition. His W-L record and ERA as the season progresses will determine that. As well as the W-L record of the D'backs in games he starts.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

It is 2014. Most people understand Wins and Losses for a pitcher is a worthless stat

 

[BC867]

It is 2014. Most people understand Wins and Losses for a pitcher is a worthless stat

Wins and Losses is still what gets teams into, or keeps them out of, the playoffs. Nothing else.

What pitcher has more control over that than any other? It is still the starting pitcher.

How many innings they pitch will never override whether they give up less runs than their opposing starting pitcher most of their time.

With 7th, 8th and 9th inning specialists, "innings eaters" just aren't as important as when the game was transitioning from "complete game" pitchers of 60 to 100+ years ago.

If a starter leaves the game with a lead and the bullpen blows it, the starter doesn't get a loss. His ratio of Wins to Losses is a very relevant stat.

I'm not posting for most people (if they really think the opposite, which I doubt).

 

[82CardsGrad]

So, that year (2011) where his ERA was over 5 and he crushed all of baseball in HRs allowed... that was a good year?

Not surprising you pick ONE season out of the last nine...
My point was that over the past 9 years, he has put up very respectable numbers. Not anywhere close to "awful"... Including 2011.


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[82CardsGrad]

An innings-eating starting pitcher makes a contribution by saving the bullpen, but that is all that accomplishes. Runs allowed is still the most important statistic on the scoreboard.

Likewise with WHIP. Walks and hits allowed per innings pitched don't separate the winners from the losers. Once again, it is earned runs allowed.

In the final analysis, it doesn't matter how many innings you pitch or how many walks and hits you give up. What matters is that, on any given day, did you pitch better than your opponent and be the difference maker in getting your team the win?

So the innings pitched and WHIP over the last 9 straight seasons for Arroyo, who is now 37, are hardly the determining factors in whether he was a good acquisition. His W-L record and ERA as the season progresses will determine that. As well as the W-L record of the D'backs in games he starts.

Couldn't disagree more... Though, he is 14 games above .500 over the past 9 seasons.
I you think I believe we acquired Justin Verlander here, think again. My point has been that Arroyo has been extremely solid, reliable and productive over the past 9 seasons. Period.... I have no clue how he'll do as a Dback, but I believe the past 9 seasons are a decent indicator, his age notwithstanding.


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[Phrazbit]

Not surprising you pick ONE season out of the last nine...
My point was that over the past 9 years, he has put up very respectable numbers. Not anywhere close to "awful"... Including 2011.


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2011 he was awful. Led baseball in homers by a huge margin, ERA over 5, WAR in the negatives... he sucked. Like I said, average in his good years, awful in his bad ones.

 

[overseascardfan]

A little off topic but I read something interesting. RHP Ervin Santana is the best SP left on the market since Ubaldo Jimenez just signed with BAL for $50M over 4 years but BAL didn't have to cough up a pick because its Top 12 which is protected, BAL also got a good deal when it signed Nelson Cruz to a cheap 1 year deal. BAL is also said to be interested in Santana and may try to low ball him because other interested teams aren't willing to surrender a pick leaving Santana with little options. What I found interesting is that Santana unwilling to be low balled may wait until June to sign because the compensation pick expires after he draft. I don't know why tendered FA's/teams don't use this loophole to their advantage. I know its 2 months into the season but if ARZ needs/wants an upgrade to the rotation Santana may be available.