Remaining FAs

[slinslin]

Foyle - GS
Okur - Utah
Wallace - Likely Detroit
Blount - Likely Philly or another EC team
Hedo - Orlando
Manu - Denver


Who is left that makes sense?


Eric Dampier (small sign and trade giving up preferably Eisley and Chicago's pick)
Antonio McDyess
Stromile Swift
Etan Thomas
Vlade Divac
Quentin Richardson
Darius Miles

For less than the MLE (at least I wouldn't offer them the full MLE): Wes Person, Brian Cardinal, Greg Ostertag, Andres Nocioni, Bruce Bowen, Stephen Jackson, Bob Sura

 

[elindholm]

Eric Dampier (small sign and trade giving up preferably Eisley and Chicago's pick)

Not a chance. Dampier will fetch far, far more than that -- and even if he doesn't, what the hell would the Warriors want with Eisley and a mid-lottery pick?

 

[Dave64]

My favorites off that list would Swift, Cardinal, and Jackson.

 

[slinslin]

If the Suns can reach an agreement with Dampier the Warriors aren't in the drivers seat.

He can put pressue on them by threatening to accept a deal with us starting at 7M$.

At maximum raises that would still be
7, 7.7, 8.4, 9.1, 9.8, 10.5 = 6yrs/52.5M$

The Warriors need another PG if they deal Van Exel so the Chicago pick should be worth it for them.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Eric Dampier (small sign and trade giving up preferably Eisley and Chicago's pick)

What does GS need? Remember S&T's don't usually mean anything close to equal value. If the team wants to let the FA walk, or is convinced he will sign elsewhere regardless, they will often do a S&T that benefits them.

Casey or Jake in a S&T for Damp would do it to get us the cash and be less complicated. Casey because he would be a local favorite for GS. Jake because we would be 4 deep at center with Damp.

Vroman or Lampe would also be options.

 

[Dave64]

SlinSlin, aren;t you concerned about Dampier's stats, injuries, etc. prior to his contract year?

 

[slinslin]

Dampier was pretty much healthy the last 3 years and his stats weren't much different except for playing time.

The only question about Dampier is his motivation. He can't be bad if Jerry West wants him, Larry Bird wants him, Jermaine O'Neal wants him, Cuban wanted him and the Lakers would like him to replace Shaq as well.

Having a shot at winning something for the first time in his career might do wonders for Dampier.

He is a gamble I would say.

 

[hcsilla]

I would have no problem if Suns wouldn't use their cap room now. It's OK for me that every team with cap space (and even without it) is wasting it on ridiculuos overpayings. I swear that Nash very quickly became the most solid signing of this off-season (if DA is correct).

When almost every team used their cap spaces and exceptions on Rafer Alston and Adonal Foyle then Suns will have a great advantage of being under the cap.

 

[elindholm]

I still think Dampier would be a good addition.

Will he match last year's stats? No, I don't think that he will. But even if he is only 70% of the player he was last year, he'd still be the best true center in Suns history.

People say he was playing hard in a "contract year." Well, maybe -- but in fact he gave up about $17 million by opting out, so this wasn't just an ordinary test-the-waters decision. I think he really, really wanted out of Golden State. If he was more motivated last year, it wasn't so much the new contract that was driving him -- it was the possibility of getting to another team.

I'd be excited to see something like Dampier and Jason Richardson for Marion. I can't say for sure that it would make the Suns better, but I think it would make them more powerful.

 

[SweetD]

I would have no problem if Suns wouldn't use their cap room now. It's OK for me that every team with cap space (and even without it) is wasting it on ridiculuos overpayings. I swear that Nash very quickly became the most solid signing of this off-season (if DA is correct).

When almost every team used their cap spaces and exceptions on Rafer Alston and Adonal Foyle then Suns will have a great advantage of being under the cap.

Plus there will be some good bargins out there for the ones who didn't get what they wanted maybe we can get something one like ATL got Jackson last year.

 

[Dave64]

GS would never trade Dampier and Richardson for Marion!

 

[elindholm]

GS would never trade Dampier and Richardson for Marion!

Actually that is quite a good deal for the Warriors, since they are in danger of losing Dampier for nothing. In fact Phoenix could also ask for a draft pick in the trade.

 

[slinslin]

GS would never trade Dampier and Richardson for Marion!

I wouldn't say that. I am not sure the Suns would do it. Jason Richardson has some issues as well and still has some major flaws in his game such as midrange game, defense, dribbling (he also had some offcourt issues)....
He is a great dunker, rebounder and nice 3pt shooter but not much more right now.

I think Golden State is probably shopping him to make room for Pietrus.

 

[elindholm]

He is a great dunker, rebounder and nice 3pt shooter but not much more right now.

Actually he is a poor three-point shooter, only 28% last year and 33% for his career.

The Suns would have to ask him to be more disciplined and hope that his all-around game develops. But they could also let him leave after his contract is up if he didn't work out.

It is not a great trade for the Suns. Maybe there is a way they could ask for more.

 

[slinslin]

Johnson 2.4M$
Eisley 6.4M$
Zarko 1.3M$
Milos
------
10.1M$

Dampier 9M$
Richardson 3.4M$
------
12.4M$

Sign Brian Cardinal for the rest.

Dampier/Voshkul/Vroman
Amare/Lampe
Marion/Cardinal
Richardson/Jacobsen/Person
Nash/Barbosa

Golden State
Foyle/Robinson/Eschmeyer
Murphy/Biedrins
Dunleavy/Zarko
Johnson/Pietrus
Van Exel/Claxton/Eisley

And since "Fanboy" mentioned him in his azcentral article.... Brian Skinner would be a big man option as well. But a cheap one I would hope.

 

[elindholm]

Johnson, Eisley, Milos and Chicago's pick for Dampier and Richardson would be better.

Sure, but there's no way the Warriors do that.

Eisley and the CHI pick basically cancel each other out, at best.

Vujanic is almost worthless since no one knows whether he will ever come to the NBA.

So it's Johnson for Dampier and Richardson. I don't think so.

Edit: Ah, I see you have thrown in Cabarkapa now. Still not enough, most likely. The Warriors have to be able to get a better deal from somewhere, and lots of teams are interested in Dampier.

 

[Evil Ash]

Rumors about Dampier via HoopsHype:

The Washington Wizards are one of at least eight teams that have expressed interest in signing unrestricted free agent center Erick Dampier, two sources with knowledge of the situation confirmed. The 6-foot-11, 270-pound Dampier had the best season of his career for the Golden State Warriors in 2003-04. He was one of just 12 players in the league who averaged a double-double, finishing with 12.3 points, 12 rebounds and 1.9 blocks a game

http://www.washtimes.com/sports/20040707-123355-3191r.htm

I wonder if one of those teams is the Suns

Other teams that have expressed interest in signing Dampier are the Indiana Pacers and Dallas Mavericks, according to one of the sources. Dampier has said he prefers to play for a team with playoff potential.

http://www.washtimes.com/sports/20040707-123355-3191r.htm

Since the Suns are in the much tougher Western Conference, would this hurt their chances of getting him?

 

[SweetD]

Johnson, Eisley, Milos and Chicago's pick for Dampier and Richardson would be better.
The Warriors would take less salary in return since we are under the cap.

Johnson 2.4M$
Eisley 6.4M$
Zarko 1.3M$
Milos
------
10.1M$

Dampier 9M$
Richardson 3.4M$
------
12.4M$

Sign Brian Cardinal for the rest.

Dampier/Voshkul/Vroman
Amare/Lampe
Marion/Cardinal
Richardson/Jacobsen/Person
Nash/Barbosa

And since "Fanboy" mentioned him in his azcentral article.... Brian Skinner would be a big man option as well. But a cheap one I would hope.

GS is going with Mickael Pietrus at SG next year. I just think they will let Richardson go.

 

[slinslin]

Who is his agent? Bill Duffy thinks we are better than the Mavs right now already.

 

[fordronken]

He is a great dunker, rebounder and nice 3pt shooter but not much more right now.

Actually he is a poor three-point shooter, only 28% last year and 33% for his career.

The Suns would have to ask him to be more disciplined and hope that his all-around game develops. But they could also let him leave after his contract is up if he didn't work out.

It is not a great trade for the Suns. Maybe there is a way they could ask for more.

I actually would rather have Pietrus than Richardson. He's got more room to develop and is already a much better defender. At this point, with Nash and Amare, I'd rather have defenders than scorers. Particularly athletic defenders who can get out and run like Pietrus.

 

[slinslin]

GS is going with Mickael Pietrus at SG next year. I just think they will let Richardson go.

I just posted that lineup because it makes more to see how the minutes would split. They could start JJ at the 3 and Pietrus at the 2 backed up by Dunleavy and Zarko.

 

[SweetD]

I just posted that lineup because it makes more to see how the minutes would split. They could start JJ at the 3 and Pietrus at the 2 backed up by Dunleavy and Zarko.

Dunleavy will be there starting SF. I just wanted to look at it by GS side as well. Who would they use at the 4 and 5?

 

[slinslin]

I actually would rather have Pietrus than Richardson. He's got more room to develop and is already a much better defender. At this point, with Nash and Amare, I'd rather have defenders than scorers. Particularly athletic defenders who can get out and run like Pietrus.

Maybe but Pietrus is very very raw offensively and Jason Richardson has a ton of potential as well.
Before this season he shot 37% on 3s on a lot more attempts.

In the last 2 month he averaged about 4apg and almost 8rpg.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

GS would never trade Dampier and Richardson for Marion!

Actually that is quite a good deal for the Warriors, since they are in danger of losing Dampier for nothing. In fact Phoenix could also ask for a draft pick in the trade.

omg, that's crazy talk.