Rethinking the Cardinals' Draft Strategy With regards to BPA, QBs and Ts

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Yesterday, in my Mock V. 2.0, I felt assured that the Cardinals' first two picks would be an OLB/DE and a T. The way this draft plays out, there should be a collection of top prospects in that order OLB/DE (Round 1) and T (Round 2).

Then last night after I wrote the post, I started to realize that the Cardinals---especially with no real changes in store for the offensive coaching staff---will not consider T to be a priority. I think they are fine with Levi Brown and Brandon Keith, with Jeremy Bridges backing them up and challenging them. The coaches are expecting improvement...but I also hope that they realize that when one of them is paired up with a Demarcus Ware or a Chris Long, that they will need some form of help.

And because drafting a T in the first three rounds may be moot, I am starting to believe that the Cardinals---if they don't trade down (which I think is an excellent possibility in this draft)---will feel free to draft BPA with the #5 pick.

Thus, the more I think about it...I think that the following players could very well be very much in the picture (if as predicted Fairley, Bowers, Gabbert and Green are picks 1-4):

1) Patrick Peterson, CB, LSU
2) Marcell Dareus, DE, Alabama
3) Prince Amukamara, CB, Nebraska
4) Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas
5) Cam Newton, QB, Auburn
6) Robert Quinn, LB, North Carolina
7) Ryan Kerrigan, LB, Purdue
8) Von Miller, LB, Texas A&M
9) Aldon Smith, LB/DE, Missouri
10) Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama

Of these players I think the Cardinals will be focussed on Peterson, Dareus, Newton and Ingram.

Peterson would make the Cardinals' secondary and return games special.

Dareus would give the new DC some flexibility in how he plays Dockett and Campbell...and would improve the pass rush (perhpas the top priority).

The question is: Is Newton more similar to Big Ben, rather than JaMarcus Russell?

And Ingram...Ingram...while he's not a lightning in the bottle RB, he is the kind of consistently tough feature RB that teams win abd build around. The coaches may be fed up with THT and Beanie's fumbling woes more than we think. Was that the reason why Whiz passed the ball in the red zone when Whiz would have normally run the ball? Was that the reason why Whiz was so loathe to go for it on 4th and ones?

Cam Newton has all the physcial ability you could want. One thing that is great about him as a runner is how he dives forward, not only to get the extra yard, but to avoid the big hit. For a player of his size to be that flexible, and to have that kind of body control is uncanny.

The thing you question is his command of the preparation and the mental aspects of the position. He's still so inexperienced...so raw...And he has a very curious demeanor...at times it looks like he is just walking around in his own fog, kind of like a prize fighter in his corner between the late rounds. He seems introverted. Not that all QBs have to be rah-rah types, and quiet calm leadership at QB may be right for teams that have other, more outgoing leaders...but...for some reason it occurred to me in the NCAA Championship game that Newton looked so pensive and aloof at times that I wondered if he was a little stage fright. Now he played a good game...not a great one...and he led his team to victory, thanks in part to a very flukey run...but he did his part.

Tim Tebow is cut from an entire different cloth. He's the epitome of a leader...he has an exemplary work ethic...and as his new HC John Fox said about him a couple of days ago, "he aspires to be great."

Infuse those attributes in Cam Newton, and he would be the clear-cut #1 player in the draft.

This said, as others have stated, Newton does not seem like a fit with Ken Whisenhunt. Both the QBs (Roethlisberger and Warner) that Whiz has had very good success with are Type A personalities...both are tough as nails...even dog-headed at times.

John Skelton has the tough part covered...yet he does not appear to be a Type A...just yet, anyway. It was, however, a great sign that he told the media following the last game that he deserves to challenge for the starting job. The week before he got his first start, Skelton sounded at times as if he agreed with the coaches that he wasn't quite ready. This has changed. The experience made him tougher and more resolute.

This is the problem I had with Matt Leinart after Warner was re-signed to a two year deal following the 2008 season. Leinart---who then was heading into his 4th year---should have made the statement, as Kevin Kolb recently did, that he no longer was willing to accept being 2nd string. The great competitors cannot and will not accept being a second fiddle, especially as they are starting to enter their primes as pros.

In terms of the toughness and Type A criteria mentioned above, Matt Leinart fell short on both acconts. In retrospect, he had no chance with Whiz.

This is why Marc Bulger is not a fit either. He satisfies neither of the criteria.

One can make the argument that Donovan McNabb does---hey he had to be tough and a Type A just to survive playing in Philly all those years.

Applying the criteria to the QBs in the draft...none of the top ones fit the bill. Gabbert and Mallett seems to buckle far too often under pressure.

The three QBs to keep an eye on---with regard to the criteria---Pat Devlin (6-4, 220, Delaware)---the player Early has been so aptly touting, Christian Ponder (6-3, 218, Florida St.)---and Greg McElroy (6-2, 220, Alabama)...and most likely in that order. These guys are all Type A leaders and they are all tough kids who will do whatever it takes to win. Of the three, Devlin has the strongest arm, Ponder has the best mechanics and McElroy has the best game management skills.

And let's not forget Max Hall. Talk about Type A. This is why he wowed Whiz in TC. And Hall is tough...he does not play chicken at all...it's just that until he gets physically stronger he is going to have a hard time staying on the field.
 
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If that is our board at #5 I really hope the Cards try to trade down.

I do have a question for you though. As much a need as T is, with Faneca gone and Sendlein and Deuce both FA's, do you think it's possible that we look into trading down and taking an interior OL like Pouncey? Not that I'd advocate it, but interior OL could end up being a bigger need than T.
 
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If that is our board at #5 I really hope the Cards try to trade down.

I do have a question for you though. As much a need as T is, with Faneca gone and Sendlein and Deuce both FA's, do you think it's possible that we look into trading down and taking an interior OL like Pouncey? Not that I'd advocate it, but interior OL could end up being a bigger need than T.

As long as they re-sign Deuce and Sendlein, Dew, I think they will feel good with what they already have:

LT Brown
LG Hadnot
C Sendlein
RG Lutui
RT Keith

Backups: T/G Bridges; G/T Pestock; C/G Claxton (there's the 8 game day actives).

I can see the Cardinals drafting a T/G prospect in the later rounds who will be the 9th man on the roster, but inactive on game days.
 

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I think McElroy is one of the most underrated players in the draft.
 

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The draft is whacky, but the conventional wisdom seems to coalescing around the idea that Newton is a late 1st kind of prospect.
 
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The draft is whacky, but the conventional wisdom seems to coalescing around the idea that Newton is a late 1st kind of prospect.

You know, karma, when you think about what he did this year...to lead his team to an undefeated season through their SEC schedule...the SEC Championship and the NCAA Championship...now, no matter what, that is incredibly impressive. Sure, he had a very good cast around him...but they had lost five games the year before...and they were playing for a coach who was what 7-19 at Iowa State. Credit the coach, the QB, that formidible defensive line and a roster full of champions.
 

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Pat Devlin is up there together with Ponder as the best QB's in terms of NFL skills. I like both of these guys as well as offcourse Luck, it's a big loss he does not enter the draft since now, it will be harder to get one of these guys in round 2 or 3. Each QB's value is getting bigger because of Luck's decision to stay.

I'm watching hours and hours of Devlin yesterday and today and i do see NFL skills for sure. This guy is really really good. He makes the right reads and is even better than Ponder in moving safeties arround. Has amazing ability to quickly come back to a target and read on other side of the field and keep the throwing motion. That's what NFL is about. He is maybe not better to make reads than Ponder, but he is quicker to scan them, if that makes sense.

I'm impressed by both of these guys. Sign a vet in free agency, draft Ponder or Devlin in round 2 and you also got Skelton and Hall, and suddenly this unit both has a proven veteran that actually can play and couple of young guys that will compete and one of them could turn out to be the real deal two years from now.
 

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The Cardinals will not take a CB with their first pick. A pass rusher for sure in my opinion. If considering Dareus why not Fairley? Better choice in my opinion.

As for Newton diving forward being a good thing? The NFL will cure him of that habit.
 
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The Cardinals will not take a CB with their first pick. A pass rusher for sure in my opinion. If considering Dareus why not Fairley? Better choice in my opinion.

As for Newton diving forward being a good thing? The NFL will cure him of that habit.

Fairley is going #1 to Carolina. Barring unforeseen scrutiny, count on it.
 

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You already know how I feel Mitch, if we don't get Newton, then all we gotta do is get a decent vet in here and develop Skelton. IMO Skelton is further along and will be more so by next season. A lot of folks want to go Defense early, I do not object. Hope we get some body that knocks the QB over quickly and often, should free some others up on pass rush and help the secondary. Good stuff bro.
 

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Fairley is going #1 to Carolina. Barring unforeseen scrutiny, count on it.

My apologies. I misread your post. I didn't realize you narrowed it down to who you thought would be available.

Agree with you on Fairley. BPA in my opinion.
 

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You know, karma, when you think about what he did this year...to lead his team to an undefeated season through their SEC schedule...the SEC Championship and the NCAA Championship...now, no matter what, that is incredibly impressive. Sure, he had a very good cast around him...but they had lost five games the year before...and they were playing for a coach who was what 7-19 at Iowa State. Credit the coach, the QB, that formidible defensive line and a roster full of champions.

Nobody is doubting that Newton is a great college qb, but for all his athletic gifts, he is a project.

If I am an NFL team, the last thing I want is a top 10 pick I pay huge dollars to for four years while he learns and by the time he is fully ready, he is a free agent.
 

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And let's not forget Max Hall. Talk about Type A. This is why he wowed Whiz in TC. And Hall is tough...he does not play chicken at all...it's just that until he gets physically stronger he is going to have a hard time staying on the field.

Let's do forget about Max Hall. I have said from the beginning, and I maintain now, this kid doesn't stand a chance in this league. That is crystal clear in my opinion.

The Cardinals will not take a CB with their first pick.


My feelings exactly. If the CLEAR best player available is a corner, you take him. That may not be the case for some positions, but for a potential elite corner you take him.
 

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The problem with Max Hall was not his size. It sure did not make it look good. Problem with Max Hall is that he did not understand the pass protection of the call from sideline vs. the defensive look. He never got out of the wrong calls, and not only that but he took the snap thinking he was safe, when he wasn't.

Skelton is much better pre-snao than Hall was. We saw him couple of times audible out of the call, and sometimes with a correct counter call, one resulted in long TD run by Tim Hightower.

Hall though was much better in his reads post-snap than Skelton. Skelton was absolutely horrible in his reads and timing post snap, and he still needs much more time than Hall to understand the game and know where to go with the football.

Hall needs to fix his understanding of pre snap reads and audibles, but that won't be easy at all. His small size makes it even more an issue, because when you get free rushers at you, being small is really bad. It just made it look even worse than it is. But the true problem was the pre-snap chess match.
 

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Because without a pass rush it doesn't matter who we have back there. DRC had a down year but no way is he not starting next year. Toler not bad for first year starting and a weak pass rush.
 
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Because without a pass rush it doesn't matter who we have back there. DRC had down year but no way is he not starting next year. Toler not bad for first year starting and a weak pass rush.

This is under the assumption that there isn't an elite pass rusher available. If the corner is CLEARLY the best player, you take him. You go reaching for need and you end up with Levi Brown and Bryant Johnson.
 

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I'd rather have Ingrams backup than Ingram; I think he makes a better pro...

Ingram should've come out last year for he was a top 3 lock IMO...
 

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This is under the assumption that there isn't an elite pass rusher available. If the corner is CLEARLY the best player, you take him. You go reaching for need and you end up with Levi Brown and Bryant Johnson.

Exactly. There are several guys that I like as OLB/pass rushers that should be available in the 2nd round.

This is a passing league. Look at how often teams are in the nickel package. With the Cards playing Wilson up, a top notch, big, 3rd Corner would be a great addition to our defense.
 
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Nobody is doubting that Newton is a great college qb, but for all his athletic gifts, he is a project.

If I am an NFL team, the last thing I want is a top 10 pick I pay huge dollars to for four years while he learns and by the time he is fully ready, he is a free agent.

Been there. Done that. Only he wasn't a free agent. The Cards just let him go for nothing. In a QB starved league no less. Idiots.
 

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This is under the assumption that there isn't an elite pass rusher available. If the corner is CLEARLY the best player, you take him. You go reaching for need and you end up with Levi Brown and Bryant Johnson.

Good point. If it meant trading back I would still want the best pass rusher in the draft. I don't know enough about Quinn to know if he is worthy of # 5 pick.
 

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If we are not forgetting about Max Hall, and we have Skelton as a developmental QB, why might we be considering another project in Newton? Not happening.

Mark Ingram. Are you kidding? At #5?
 

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Mitch wrote:
"The coaches may be fed up with THT and Beanie's fumbling woes more than we think. Was that the reason why Whiz passed the ball in the red zone when Whiz would have normally run the ball? Was that the reason why Whiz was so loathe to go for it on 4th and ones?"

This bothers me especially - if you don't give the ball to your RB in tough situations - everyone knows it and then the players try to overcompensate on regular plays, which means they play more rigid and make more mistakes. It becomes a downward cycle and, to me, is one of the negatives to this coaching staff.
 

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In todays NFL, you need to fix the problems you have today and draft for the future.

Drafting a QB at the #5 spot would only mean 3 or 4 more years of floundering in the cellar of the west.

I'm telling you, the thing to do is give up a #2 for Orton. That would be the biggest upgrade and impact we could make.
Second, when the new DC is named we will have an idea of the style of "D" we will be. Playing a 3-4 with the personel we had on this team was insane. You simply can't do it with a rookie, a middle tier free agent and two washed up veterans.
Third, with free agency we need two impact players on defense...or at least one. Can you imagine having a guy like Woodley in place of Porter. I believe Chad Greenway is a free agent also. Can you imagine BOTH?

Finally, the draft. You cannot go into a draft looking for a "savior" at starting position. The 2011 draft is really for the 2012 season. ANYTHING you get from a rookie is a bonus. Sure there are the exceptions if you are lucky enough to get a Blue Chip at a position of need. But that doesn't happen most of the time. It would be silly for the Cards to pass on a guy like wr Green for a lesser talented OLB even though the need is greater.

P.S. This CBA crap is pissin me off.
 

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