ROB: Mosley....AND Suggs

[slanidrac16]

The Bosa to AZ talk is beyond dumb
Anyone here talking about Bosa as a choice for the Cardinals knows NOTHING about defense....NOTHING
Learn...
1 Cardinals announced they are 100% a 3-4 defense
2. Bosa is a 100% 4-3 DE
3. You HONESTLY think the Cardinals are going to pick a guy that DOES NOT play an actual position in their defense
4. This would amount to drafting a offensive full back and you don't use a full back in your offense.
They have the 1st stinking pick in the draft (for a reason)....you pick the best player to HELP your team...and Bosa is 100% NOT THAT GUY.
Wake up!
The GM and HC would have to have rocks for brains to do that....like the GM and HC who drafted Leonard Davis and moved him from guard in college to tackle in the pros...if you don't know...it didn't work out...till Davis went to Dallas and they put him at (get this) guard where he was...OMG All-Pro every year.
Then again Keim has drafted a WR to play CB and drafted a CB who played CB one year in his life...also paid a safety the highest contract ever by a safety the day the safety came out of his second ACL surgery.
If I'm putting my money on it...the Cardinals are drafting Josh Allen. He is a perfect 3-4 DE...had 17 sacks last season and can drop into coverage VERY well...he'd take on TE's as well with ease....try doing that with Bosa (insert laughter).
Bet the house if the cardinals use the pick it's 95% shot it's Allen...with about a 5% shot it being Murray.

Maybe you are correct. But what makes you more knowledgable than Vance Joseph ( who converted Chubb) and Bill Davis who coached him at OSU? They both have said the transition would be fine. You can’t say Allen would be as stout against the run as Bosa would be.

 

[Sunburn]

The Bosa to AZ talk is beyond dumb
Anyone here talking about Bosa as a choice for the Cardinals knows NOTHING about defense....NOTHING
Learn...
1 Cardinals announced they are 100% a 3-4 defense
2. Bosa is a 100% 4-3 DE
3. You HONESTLY think the Cardinals are going to pick a guy that DOES NOT play an actual position in their defense
4. This would amount to drafting a offensive full back and you don't use a full back in your offense.
They have the 1st stinking pick in the draft (for a reason)....you pick the best player to HELP your team...and Bosa is 100% NOT THAT GUY.
Wake up!
The GM and HC would have to have rocks for brains to do that....like the GM and HC who drafted Leonard Davis and moved him from guard in college to tackle in the pros...if you don't know...it didn't work out...till Davis went to Dallas and they put him at (get this) guard where he was...OMG All-Pro every year.
Then again Keim has drafted a WR to play CB and drafted a CB who played CB one year in his life...also paid a safety the highest contract ever by a safety the day the safety came out of his second ACL surgery.
If I'm putting my money on it...the Cardinals are drafting Josh Allen. He is a perfect 3-4 DE...had 17 sacks last season and can drop into coverage VERY well...he'd take on TE's as well with ease....try doing that with Bosa (insert laughter).
Bet the house if the cardinals use the pick it's 95% shot it's Allen...with about a 5% shot it being Murray.

This quote, coupled with the fact that you have a Los Angeles Chargers avatar, amuses me greatly.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Maybe you are correct. But what makes you more knowledgable than Vance Joseph ( who converted Chubb) and Bill Davis who coached him at OSU? They both have said the transition would be fine. You can’t say Allen would be as stout against the run as Bosa would be.

I'd be more concerned if Bosa was a 3-4 OLB moving to 4-3 DE.

Most 3-4 backers were college defensive ends since 3-4 defenses are really rare in college.

 

[BigRedRage]

Cameron Wake will be available for the Suggs role as well

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...ake-expected-to-leave-dolphins-as-free-agent/

 

[oaken1]

getting suggs does not mean we aint drafting Bosa or Allen. guys play in a rotation
imagine the pressure we could bring with suggs, Bosa, jones and nkemdiche all on the field together

 

[Jetstream Green]

This is so wrong, Davis played Tackle at Texas, he play guard for the Cards and then injuries forced him to play LT. He then moved back to guard (no pro-bowls) and then Denny Green moved him to LT. Now if you said he was a great guard in Dallas because he had the best o-line to play with, that would be correct. IMO

The Cardinals I believe wanted to re-sign him as a guard but since he played tackle, then he wanted tackle money... plus being a Cowboy has a magical way of getting you votes

 

[cardsfanmd]

The Bosa to AZ talk is beyond dumb
Anyone here talking about Bosa as a choice for the Cardinals knows NOTHING about defense....NOTHING
Learn...
1 Cardinals announced they are 100% a 3-4 defense
2. Bosa is a 100% 4-3 DE
3. You HONESTLY think the Cardinals are going to pick a guy that DOES NOT play an actual position in their defense
4. This would amount to drafting a offensive full back and you don't use a full back in your offense.
They have the 1st stinking pick in the draft (for a reason)....you pick the best player to HELP your team...and Bosa is 100% NOT THAT GUY.
Wake up!
The GM and HC would have to have rocks for brains to do that....like the GM and HC who drafted Leonard Davis and moved him from guard in college to tackle in the pros...if you don't know...it didn't work out...till Davis went to Dallas and they put him at (get this) guard where he was...OMG All-Pro every year.
Then again Keim has drafted a WR to play CB and drafted a CB who played CB one year in his life...also paid a safety the highest contract ever by a safety the day the safety came out of his second ACL surgery.
If I'm putting my money on it...the Cardinals are drafting Josh Allen. He is a perfect 3-4 DE...had 17 sacks last season and can drop into coverage VERY well...he'd take on TE's as well with ease....try doing that with Bosa (insert laughter).
Bet the house if the cardinals use the pick it's 95% shot it's Allen...with about a 5% shot it being Murray.

You do realize you’re talking about a team whose current starting inside linebackers were both first round picks and played safety and DE in college, right?

 

[The Kraken]

The Bosa to AZ talk is beyond dumb
Anyone here talking about Bosa as a choice for the Cardinals knows NOTHING about defense....NOTHING
Learn...
1 Cardinals announced they are 100% a 3-4 defense
2. Bosa is a 100% 4-3 DE
3. You HONESTLY think the Cardinals are going to pick a guy that DOES NOT play an actual position in their defense
4. This would amount to drafting a offensive full back and you don't use a full back in your offense.
They have the 1st stinking pick in the draft (for a reason)....you pick the best player to HELP your team...and Bosa is 100% NOT THAT GUY.
Wake up!
The GM and HC would have to have rocks for brains to do that....like the GM and HC who drafted Leonard Davis and moved him from guard in college to tackle in the pros...if you don't know...it didn't work out...till Davis went to Dallas and they put him at (get this) guard where he was...OMG All-Pro every year.
Then again Keim has drafted a WR to play CB and drafted a CB who played CB one year in his life...also paid a safety the highest contract ever by a safety the day the safety came out of his second ACL surgery.
If I'm putting my money on it...the Cardinals are drafting Josh Allen. He is a perfect 3-4 DE...had 17 sacks last season and can drop into coverage VERY well...he'd take on TE's as well with ease....try doing that with Bosa (insert laughter).
Bet the house if the cardinals use the pick it's 95% shot it's Allen...with about a 5% shot it being Murray.

So let me get this straight:

Besides the fact YOUR Chargers succesfully played Joey Bosa (almost the same exact player) at OLB as well as Melvin Ingram and they were both college DEs...

Besides the fact Chandler Jones and Markus Golden were college DEs...

Besides Terrell Suggs, Elvis Dumervil, Von Miller, Bradley Chubb, Dee Ford, Vic Beasley (the one season the falcons played a 3-4, he had 15.5 sacks at OLB, and has had 2 seasons with 5 as a 4-3 DE), Justin Houston, Jamie Collins, just to name a few...which by the way, required me going on this thing called google and looking it up...it took 5 mins...

OUR DC: Vance Joseph sees no reason why Bosa wouldn’t be a perfect fit in Arizona. Talented edge rushers who can get to the quarterback are of incredibly high value in the NFL, Joseph said, whether they played defensive end or outside linebacker in college.

“Those 4-3 college ends, they grow to be 3-4 outside backers,” Joseph said. “It’s a learned ability.”

Joseph referenced the Broncos’ first-round pick just a year ago when he was still the head coach in Denver. The Broncos selected North Carolina State defensive end Bradley Chubb with the fifth overall pick but moved him out of a three-point stance and watched him thrive as a stand-up outside linebacker.

“Chubb was a career 4-3 end. He never played the two-point and never dropped — only in fire zones,” Joseph said. “He played ‘Sam’ linebacker for us at 6-4½, 270 and he had 12 sacks for us and he missed five. You just have to figure out what guys do best and 4-3 college ends, they grow to be 3-4 outside ’backers. There’s going to be a number of guys who fit. We’re not opposed to taking 4-3 ends and making them outside linebackers. I have experience doing that.”

But despite all of that, only YOU know about defense, even though you seem to be confused on which team you root for.

 

[jbjarko]

So let me get this straight:

Besides the fact YOUR Chargers succesfully played Joey Bosa (almost the same exact player) at OLB as well as Melvin Ingram and they were both college DEs...

Besides the fact Chandler Jones and Markus Golden were college DEs...

Besides Terrell Suggs, Elvis Dumervil, Von Miller, Bradley Chubb, Dee Ford, Vic Beasley (the one season the falcons played a 3-4, he had 15.5 sacks at OLB, and has had 2 seasons with 5 as a 4-3 DE), Justin Houston, Jamie Collins, just to name a few...which by the way, required me going on this thing called google and looking it up...it took 5 mins...

OUR DC: Vance Joseph sees no reason why Bosa wouldn’t be a perfect fit in Arizona. Talented edge rushers who can get to the quarterback are of incredibly high value in the NFL, Joseph said, whether they played defensive end or outside linebacker in college.

“Those 4-3 college ends, they grow to be 3-4 outside backers,” Joseph said. “It’s a learned ability.”

Joseph referenced the Broncos’ first-round pick just a year ago when he was still the head coach in Denver. The Broncos selected North Carolina State defensive end Bradley Chubb with the fifth overall pick but moved him out of a three-point stance and watched him thrive as a stand-up outside linebacker.

“Chubb was a career 4-3 end. He never played the two-point and never dropped — only in fire zones,” Joseph said. “He played ‘Sam’ linebacker for us at 6-4½, 270 and he had 12 sacks for us and he missed five. You just have to figure out what guys do best and 4-3 college ends, they grow to be 3-4 outside ’backers. There’s going to be a number of guys who fit. We’re not opposed to taking 4-3 ends and making them outside linebackers. I have experience doing that.”

But despite all of that, only YOU know about defense, even though you seem to be confused on which team you root for.

He's a freaking troll that I wish would leave this board.

 

[iLLmatiC]

He's a freaking troll that I wish would leave this board.

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[juza76]

It's not...it's just that, ILBs are asked to cover more and more in the modern NFL game.

If Littleton was not an RFA, he'd be the guy you want. He's great in coverage .

Preston Brown is better in coverage, good against the run, and should cost half as much as Mosley.

Yes Littleton should be perfect
About Brown, isnt he a bit slow?

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Mosley is not a great idea. Good run defender, but very average pass defender.

Ok. Then who?

We going to Haason Reddick and ........... and...........

These are the prices you pay for poor drafting and not wanting to invest in the position.

Bringing him in would make him the best run defender out of the linebackers, and it would be HIGHLY debatable if someone were to say Reddick is a better pass defender.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

He isn't great as a pass defender though.

Do you want to throw over $10 million per year at an average pass defender? The Cards can probably find a better pass defender for that.

Who?

And who then would play against the run? Reddick is HORRIBLE against the run.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

If this is true it all but confirms Murray is the pick.

They would not be looking to sign Suggs, if they planned on drafting Bosa.

I highly disagree with this.

Maybe I am getting old, or something, but you do not have to go back in Cardinals history too far back to remember how difficult it is to get a pass rusher in this league.

In a few years, Jones is going to be old, Suggs retired, and even if Golden is re-signed he has had ONE GOOD YEAR.

I cannot understand why there is such adversity to drafting Bosa, it is becoming a head scratcher, IMHO.

As for all those, who deem Bosa a bad pick because "he is a DE and not a 3-4 OLBer", well you bring in Suggs, and who better to help with that transition.

If the Cardinals sign Murray it will be just another example of Steve Keim being way "too cute" with his drafting, and IMHO, it will cost him his job. Not to mention a hoard of fans and support lost for Bidwill.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

If we sign Suggs that is no sign of us not drafting Bosa, Suggs is a Band-Aid not a long term fix and at this point in his career he is a situational player.

I do not get this line of thinking.

Personally, I think signing Suggs is all but cementing the drafting of Bosa. Who better to help with the transition?

Jones, Bosa, and Suggs would be great. It allows you to let Golden walk, as well.

A year from now you have Jones, and Bosa as your OLBers, and potentially a high end pass rusher on the cheap for at least 4 more years.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

The Bosa to AZ talk is beyond dumb
Anyone here talking about Bosa as a choice for the Cardinals knows NOTHING about defense....NOTHING
Learn...
1 Cardinals announced they are 100% a 3-4 defense
2. Bosa is a 100% 4-3 DE
3. You HONESTLY think the Cardinals are going to pick a guy that DOES NOT play an actual position in their defense
4. This would amount to drafting a offensive full back and you don't use a full back in your offense.
They have the 1st stinking pick in the draft (for a reason)....you pick the best player to HELP your team...and Bosa is 100% NOT THAT GUY.
Wake up!
The GM and HC would have to have rocks for brains to do that....like the GM and HC who drafted Leonard Davis and moved him from guard in college to tackle in the pros...if you don't know...it didn't work out...till Davis went to Dallas and they put him at (get this) guard where he was...OMG All-Pro every year.
Then again Keim has drafted a WR to play CB and drafted a CB who played CB one year in his life...also paid a safety the highest contract ever by a safety the day the safety came out of his second ACL surgery.
If I'm putting my money on it...the Cardinals are drafting Josh Allen. He is a perfect 3-4 DE...had 17 sacks last season and can drop into coverage VERY well...he'd take on TE's as well with ease....try doing that with Bosa (insert laughter).
Bet the house if the cardinals use the pick it's 95% shot it's Allen...with about a 5% shot it being Murray.

Terrell Suggs was a 4-3 DE in college, currently on his way to going to the H.O.F. as a 3-4.

Great points, even though I disagree with it, and the condescension takes away from it, yet I love the passion for the team, tho.


Notes:
- Leonard Davis made 2nd team All-Pro, once. I think you mean the popularity contest which is the Pro-Bowl. But, your point is CERTAINLY valid, there.

- Apparently the only person that matters, Vance Joseph, disagrees with you, and has no problem using a college DE at the OLBer position, either.

 

[Krangodnzr]

So let me get this straight:

Besides the fact YOUR Chargers succesfully played Joey Bosa (almost the same exact player) at OLB as well as Melvin Ingram and they were both college DEs...

Besides the fact Chandler Jones and Markus Golden were college DEs...

Besides Terrell Suggs, Elvis Dumervil, Von Miller, Bradley Chubb, Dee Ford, Vic Beasley (the one season the falcons played a 3-4, he had 15.5 sacks at OLB, and has had 2 seasons with 5 as a 4-3 DE), Justin Houston, Jamie Collins, just to name a few...which by the way, required me going on this thing called google and looking it up...it took 5 mins...

OUR DC: Vance Joseph sees no reason why Bosa wouldn’t be a perfect fit in Arizona. Talented edge rushers who can get to the quarterback are of incredibly high value in the NFL, Joseph said, whether they played defensive end or outside linebacker in college.

“Those 4-3 college ends, they grow to be 3-4 outside backers,” Joseph said. “It’s a learned ability.”

Joseph referenced the Broncos’ first-round pick just a year ago when he was still the head coach in Denver. The Broncos selected North Carolina State defensive end Bradley Chubb with the fifth overall pick but moved him out of a three-point stance and watched him thrive as a stand-up outside linebacker.

“Chubb was a career 4-3 end. He never played the two-point and never dropped — only in fire zones,” Joseph said. “He played ‘Sam’ linebacker for us at 6-4½, 270 and he had 12 sacks for us and he missed five. You just have to figure out what guys do best and 4-3 college ends, they grow to be 3-4 outside ’backers. There’s going to be a number of guys who fit. We’re not opposed to taking 4-3 ends and making them outside linebackers. I have experience doing that.”

But despite all of that, only YOU know about defense, even though you seem to be confused on which team you root for.

He's a freaking troll that I wish would leave this board.

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I've come to the conclusion that their are a handful of posters on this board that just like to say things to piss people off or annoy people.

Put him on ignore and stop responding, he says nothing intelligent. I've done this with cardsfanmd, 1sun, and a few others. Makes reading the board more enjoyable.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Who?

And who then would play against the run? Reddick is HORRIBLE against the run.

Preston Brown is really good and will cost half as much.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

It's not...it's just that, ILBs are asked to cover more and more in the modern NFL game.

If Littleton was not an RFA, he'd be the guy you want. He's great in coverage .

Preston Brown is better in coverage, good against the run, and should cost half as much as Mosley.

Preston Brown made about the same salary as Preston Brown did last year. I think Brown would cost less because he is coming off the I.R.

Good argument tho.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I highly disagree with this.

Maybe I am getting old, or something, but you do not have to go back in Cardinals history too far back to remember how difficult it is to get a pass rusher in this league.

In a few years, Jones is going to be old, Suggs retired, and even if Golden is re-signed he has had ONE GOOD YEAR.

I cannot understand why there is such adversity to drafting Bosa, it is becoming a head scratcher, IMHO.

As for all those, who deem Bosa a bad pick because "he is a DE and not a 3-4 OLBer", well you bring in Suggs, and who better to help with that transition.

If the Cardinals sign Murray it will be just another example of Steve Keim being way "too cute" with his drafting, and IMHO, it will cost him his job. Not to mention a hoard of fans and support lost for Bidwill.

Pretty much EVERY 3-4 OLB WAS a college DE.

It's a ******** argument that is completely devoid of any real facts.

Colleges don't have many 3-4s. 4-3s are much easier to run since big fat guys are plentiful to play tackle.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

He's a freaking troll that I wish would leave this board.

I just think he is passionate. LOL.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Yes Littleton should be perfect
About Brown, isnt he a bit slow?

If it were about speed, then Reddick would be a super star in coverage. It is about knowing where to be and reading the offense.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Preston Brown made about the same salary as Preston Brown did last year. I think Brown would cost less because he is coming off the I.R.

Good argument tho.

You same as Mosely I presume?

The difference is hype. Mosley wants a huge payday.

A+ run defenders C+ pass defenders aren't huge contracts.

I'd rather have a B+ pass defender and B run defender, which is what Preston Brown is. The modern NFL passing games specifically pick on ILBs in pass defense.

 

[Lagerfilled]

Keim... Give me Jordan Hicks, Shaquill Barrett / Za’Darius Smith, Bradley Roby, Rodger Saffold, & Phil Dorsett in FA please and thank you!

Re-sign Gunter and then take QWill at #1 and load up at TE, WR, and OL in the rest of the draft.

SB bound in year one of the KK era

 

[Krangodnzr]

Jordan Hicks is another option that would be cheaper than Mosley.

I think you guys are overvaluing ILB. The problem the Cardinals had was having below average talent at a position that's usually not too hard to fill.

Breaking the bank on ILB is wasteful, you can get nearly the same production for a lot less dough.