Rolo No Longer The Sun's ****?

[krazyasiankid]

For a long time, lots of Suns fans have probably been fed up with our frizzly haired center, but do you think maybe RoLo could actually have a big impact on our game?

I mean, last year, he averaged 3 ppg, 2rpg and 0.7bpg, in ten minutes per game.. If you do the maths, in 48 minutes played he would average 14.4ppg, 9.6rpg, and 3.36 bpg.. But that is just averages.. Lots of other things have to be taken into consideration, e.g fatigue and confidence levels, as well as player form. But do you think RoLo could average those numbers this year, if he starts as our center? Would you trust him enough?

 

[Covert Rain]

In short....NO. The guy will never rebound more then he did in college and in college he was horrible. He is another big man that under performs when it comes to rebounding. He just has not looked impressive. He will never average 9.6 RPG.

 

[carey]

I can see him averaging 8 & 8 this year if he can stay out of foul trouble and play 30 minutes a game. Which is asking a whole lot of a 2nd year big man that didn't have a great rookie campaign.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I can see him averaging 8 & 8 this year if he can stay out of foul trouble and play 30 minutes a game. Which is asking a whole lot of a 2nd year big man that didn't have a great rookie campaign.

i'd be shocked and ecstatic with 8 & 8.

 

[Chaplin]

He had a good game, but he's a loooong way from becoming a dependable player for the Suns.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

i'd be shocked and ecstatic with 8 & 8.

He's going to start and he's going to average 12 ppg 7rbg and 1.5 bpg.

Mark it down. He will get those numbers just by sheer minutes.

 

[JCSunsfan]

He needs to play D and rebound, and then hit a 15 footer or two when wide open. Its not that complicated and he has the physical tools to do it. We will see if he has the smarts and the drive to be a contributor in this league. One summer league game is an encouragement, but it is by no means a pattern.

 

[elindholm]

He's going to start and he's going to average 12 ppg 7rbg and 1.5 bpg.

Mark it down. He will get those numbers just by sheer minutes.

NFW. To get those scoring and rebounding numbers by his production rates of last year, he'd have to play almost 40 minutes a game. First of all, he'd foul out before then; secondly, his other weaknesses are so crippling that the team could never afford to play him that much; thirdly, a lot of his minutes last year were in garbage time when his teammates were looking for him a lot more than they would otherwise; and fourthly, most of his "improvement" last season came when Stoudemire was out.

Unless he has become a much, much better player in the last few months, his ceiling next for next season is about 7/5/1.5.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

NFW. To get those scoring and rebounding numbers by his production rates of last year, he'd have to play almost 40 minutes a game. First of all, he'll foul out before then; secondly, his other weaknesses are so crippling that the team could never afford to play him that much; thirdly, a lot of his minutes last year were in garbage time when his teammates were looking for him a lot more than they would otherwise; and fourthly, most of his "improvement" last season came when Stoudemire was out.

Unless he has become a much, much better player in the last few months, his ceiling next for next season is about 7/5/1.5.

I'll betcha on that. I don't think he is going to be a world beater by any means but I bet he enters training camp as the starter and our most improved player.

Yesterday was important. Summer league stats are famously misleading but go ahead and look back - that traditionally is for guards. Big men who do well traditionally are a better indicator for translating that over. ESPECIALLY with regards to rebound numbers. Thats why everyone is making such a big deal about Griffen. He killed it yesterday. We will see.

I think he will be better then most think. His block on Clark in the 2 on 2's that wowed everybody, overall renewed confidence, and his talking about what he took away from Shaq is all good stuff. Hopefully the progress keeps up.

If he maintains and builds on yesterday and comes away as first team All Summer then I say 12 and 7 is gonna happen. Besides his brother can be THAT much better then him, can he?

 

[Mulli]

vbookie.

under.

 

[elindholm]

I'll betcha on that.

What's the bet exactly? Over-under on 7/5/1.5, even money? How do we handle it if he's over in one category but under in another? 12/7/any is laughable, and if you want to set the line there, you'll get more takers than you know what to do with.

Summer league stats are famously misleading but go ahead and look back - that traditionally is for guards. Big men who do well traditionally are a better indicator for translating that over.

I'll take your word for it, but I do remember that Cabarkapa looked good in summer league. We know how that turned out.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

What's the bet exactly? Over-under on 7/5/1.5, even money? How do we handle it if he's over in one category but under in another? 12/7/any is laughable, and if you want to set the line there, you'll get more takers than you know what to do with.



I'll take your word for it, but I do remember that Cabarkapa looked good in summer league. We know how that turned out.

Lets do it. Over under 10 and 7 assuming he plays 60+ games.

Bet terms are 10,000 ASFN and one month of signature extolling the virtues and intelligence of the other poster.

This an Elindholm and Ouchie exclusive.

Mulli I think you have a gambling problem - but I still love ya

 

[elindholm]

Lets do it. Over under 10 and 7 assuming he plays 60+ games.

Bet terms are 10,000 ASFN and one month of signature extolling the virtues and intelligence of the other poster.

Okay, so just to be clear:

If fewer than 60 games played, no bet.
Blocks aren't counted.
One over and one under (say, 8 points 8 rebounds) is a push.

Works for me.

Why not 100,000 ASFN (plus the signature)?

 

[scotsman13]

In short....NO. The guy will never rebound more then he did in college and in college he was horrible. He is another big man that under performs when it comes to rebounding. He just has not looked impressive. He will never average 9.6 RPG.

wow maybe you should tell that to jayson williams. in rolo case he played power forward next to his brother at center who was the center stage on the offense. now i am not saying that rolo is going to turn into the next star player the suns have found in the draft i do think he can be a very solid player. also it is said that it take a player years to learn to play the center in the nba. so lets give robin a little time to see if he can grow into his role on the suns.

 

[devilalum]

For a long time, lots of Suns fans have probably been fed up with our frizzly haired center, but do you think maybe RoLo could actually have a big impact on our game?

I mean, last year, he averaged 3 ppg, 2rpg and 0.7bpg, in ten minutes per game.. If you do the maths, in 48 minutes played he would average 14.4ppg, 9.6rpg, and 3.36 bpg.. But that is just averages.. Lots of other things have to be taken into consideration, e.g fatigue and confidence levels, as well as player form. But do you think RoLo could average those numbers this year, if he starts as our center? Would you trust him enough?

Using your logic he'd also have about 15 fouls a game.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Okay, so just to be clear:

If fewer than 60 games played, no bet.
Blocks aren't counted.
One over and one under (say, 8 points 8 rebounds) is a push.

Works for me.

Why not 100,000 ASFN (plus the signature)?

Wow - I didn't realize I had that much money. Mulli must have just hooked it up. It's on.

We need a gambling forum or are we just going to commit this to memory?

 

[elindholm]

It's on.

We need a gambling forum or are we just going to commit this to memory?

I'll send you a PM with the terms, and then we'll both have it.

 

[Mainstreet]

We need a gambling forum or are we just going to commit this to memory?

I agree there should be a separate gambling forum, perhaps under the sub-forums at the page.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

I think we need a forum to talk about what forums should be in the forums.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Gambo and Ash just said that Lopez is still growing. He is now 7-1 3/4 in sneaks and has added 10 lbs. He has also gained some mobility and agility.

I didn't realize he was still growing. That also means that he still does not have a mature frame. Over the next couple of years he is likely to gain some considerable strength as his body matures.

 

[Gaddabout]

There are two upsides to Lopez: He's very smart and he works very hard. I'll be slow to criticize him because those are two indicators that he COULD improve. It's a huge difference over some of the slack-jawed slackers we've had at that position in the past.

 

[Chaplin]

There are two upsides to Lopez: He's very smart and he works very hard. I'll be slow to criticize him because those are two indicators that he COULD improve. It's a huge difference over some of the slack-jawed slackers we've had at that position in the past.

True, and even the biggest haters have conceded that he played better toward the end of the season. Right now there's no way of knowing just what his ceiling is yet.

 

[dodie53]

i don't trust RL yet

 

[Covert Rain]

wow maybe you should tell that to jayson williams. in rolo case he played power forward next to his brother at center who was the center stage on the offense. now i am not saying that rolo is going to turn into the next star player the suns have found in the draft i do think he can be a very solid player. also it is said that it take a player years to learn to play the center in the nba. so lets give robin a little time to see if he can grow into his role on the suns.

I can count on one hand how many guys that sucked at rebounding in college went on to dominate on the boards in the NBA. Now we are suppose to believe the Suns somehow got lucky and drafted the next great center? He will never be a star and no matter how much koolaid people drink, that will never change.

Do I think maybe....just maybe.....he could someday be a serviceable backup or journeymen type player? Well....maybe. But that is the ceiling for him IMO.

 

[SirStefan32]

I think Lopez is going to get better, but there are two things that really bother me about him.
He is a 7 footer who makes himself 6'2 every time he is in the low post. I think that can be something he learns not to do.
My second concern is that his footwork is just horrible. I can not remember a big man who really improved from horrible to decent when it comes to footwork.
Brook Lopez is a very good example- he has great footwork and he will have a long, successful career in the NBA. Robin's footwork is atrocious. I don't see that improving. I hope I am wrong, but I really don't see Lopez ever being a good Center with footwork like that.