Rooney Rule

[Garthshort]

Just saw a segment on the NFL Network concerning the Rooney Rule. Results, at least this year, have been disappointing. So this is my suggestion:

Each year the NFL ranks the top three (or whatever number they choose) teams that have done the best job of hiring minorities in the FO and on the coaching staff. The higher the position hired, the more value awarded that team. And the top three would be rewarded by the NFL with a comp pick, up to the second round. Anyone think that this idea has value?

 

[BigRedRage]

incentivising hiring based on race? no.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I don't like it at all. Teams should be encouraged to choose the top candidate regardless of skin color. That rule would only encourage teams to go after minorities and not necessarily the top candidate.

 

[Garthshort]

Well the Rooney Rule WAS SUPPOSED to encourage FAIR hiring of minorities. But it seems, that the teams agree with BRR and CSD, and lip service rules the day. And if that's the case don't bemoan the fact that it isn't working.

 

[BigRedRage]

Well the Rooney Rule WAS SUPPOSED to encourage FAIR hiring of minorities. But it seems, that the teams agree with BRR and CSD, and lip service rules the day. And if that's the case don't bemoan the fact that it isn't working.

there are more black coaches than ever, its working fine.

I dont bemoan it, I think its a stupid rule. If I am a football team owner, I am looking at qualifications, not skin.

 

[kerouac9]

Well the Rooney Rule WAS SUPPOSED to encourage FAIR hiring of minorities. But it seems, that the teams agree with BRR and CSD, and lip service rules the day. And if that's the case don't bemoan the fact that it isn't working.

I don't think that one down year for the retention/hiring of minority coaches establishes a trend that the "Rooney Rule isn't working." I think it means that there are problems with how football staffs are assembled--particularly offensive coaching staffs.

QB coaches tend to be white. Historically, quarterbacks tended to be white, and when a quarterback was done quarterbacking, he might become a coach in some capacity.

Those white QB coaches become white offensive coordinators become head coaching candidates in a year when teams were looking for offensive head coaches.

RB coaches tend to be minorities at a time when the running game is of declining importance.

It's an accident of history, but I think that there could be more of an effort to cross-train assistants or promote minority offensive coaches in the lower levels. But I don't think that incentivizing race-based hires is the right tack.

 

[Dan H]

The big gripe seems to be that it's failing because Jim Caldwell didn't get a head coaching job.

Guess what? Neither did the other three coordinators coaching in the freaking Super Bowl!!!

 

[oaken1]

Well the Rooney Rule WAS SUPPOSED to encourage FAIR hiring of minorities. But it seems, that the teams agree with BRR and CSD, and lip service rules the day. And if that's the case don't bemoan the fact that it isn't working.

you are apparently working under the assumption that the minority candidates were the best fit for the positions they interviewed for........

a different perspective..... if you "catagorized" all the employees within the NFL as an entity.....I would hazard a guess that the "white" employees are outnumbered by the "minority" employees.....which would actually make them the "minority" employees would it not?

the best candidate for the job should get the job.Period......but maybe then they cannot agree on compensation, so the second best candidate gets the job...
it is not only coaching resume that makes someone a good fit,...maturity(a lack thereof which was displayed by Horton)...personality...onne must mesh with the people they will be working with closely on a daily basis...versatility/flexibility...maybe your new boss is wanting you to run a system different than the one you prefer......


the entire "he didnt get an NFL coaching job because he is black" mentality is twenty pounds of horse crap....the NFL is about winning, and the owners and GM's will hire whoever they feel will put a winning product on the field, because it means more cash in their pockets.

 

[Shane]

asinine

 

[kerouac9]

the entire "he didnt get an NFL coaching job because he is black" mentality is twenty pounds of horse crap....the NFL is about winning, and the owners and GM's will hire whoever they feel will put a winning product on the field, because it means more cash in their pockets.

I don't think anyone is saying this, but I think it's fair to say that until 10 years ago or so, NFL Owners and GMs didn't recognize the enormous pool of talented coaches, coordinators, and assistants that were available in the NFL.

The Rooney Rule in conjunction with younger owners who were businesspeople who didn't come up in the NFL fraternity exposed many, many more coaches, including a number of minority candidates.

To think that institutional racism isn't a problem, or that it means not hiring someone because they're a minority, exposes that institutional racism is still a problem. If you don't view a minority assistant as a legitimate head coaching candidate, that's a real symptom of institutional racism.

 

[az jam]

Stupid idea.

 

[DakotaCardsFan]

To think that institutional racism isn't a problem, or that it means not hiring someone because they're a minority, exposes that institutional racism is still a problem.

To think that something isn't a problem exposes that it is still a problem?! That's a pretty weak argument. To think that K9's message board posts aren't really an assault on society's well being exposes that they really are.

You could look at statistics and say there aren't a statistically proportionate number of minority coaches, but I don't believe that is really an issue. If hiring an entire staff of minority coaches would generate more revenue, teams would and we wouldn't be discussing this now. It is a matter of putting a team on the field that generates interest and excitement, which is usually synonymous with putting a winning team on the field.

 

[kerouac9]

To think that something isn't a problem exposes that it is still a problem?! That's a pretty weak argument. To think that K9's message board posts aren't really an assault on society's well being exposes that they really are.

You could look at statistics and say there aren't a statistically proportionate number of minority coaches, but I don't believe that is really an issue. If hiring an entire staff of minority coaches would generate more revenue, teams would and we wouldn't be discussing this now. It is a matter of putting a team on the field that generates interest and excitement, which is usually synonymous with putting a winning team on the field.

C'mon, now. Most NFL teams sell out every game, anyway. Whether a black coach or a white coach is wearing the polo shirt of hoodie on the sideline isn't going to more more units for Nike.

Diversity of coaching staffs are independent of the quality of the coaching on the sideline. The problem is that ownership is 100% white rich males, and people tend to want to associate with people who are like them (this is one of the reasons Bernie Maddoff was such an effective con man).

If you don't believe that diversity is a virtue that should be ever-so-slightly supported, then say that. It'll mean that you're (probably) a racist, but at least be proud and own up to it.

If you don't believe there's any virtue in diversity, then maybe you could decide that it's in the best interest of the league and labor peace to have players who frequently invoke slavery when it comes to the draft, Franchise tags, etc., no look to their sideline and see exclusively white faces, and also on the opposing sideline, etc., etc.

I don't understand people who bitch about the Rooney Rule. You may claim that you're not racist, but if you're complaining about the Rooney Rule, what you're literally saying is that a white person shouldn't be required to have at least one conversation with a person of color.

Nothing racist there.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

Well, that went over like a lead balloon.

So following your logic (I think) The fact that we kept a black GM employed far longer than we should have, we should get 2-3 first rounders no?

 

[oaken1]

C'mon, now. Most NFL teams sell out every game, anyway. Whether a black coach or a white coach is wearing the polo shirt of hoodie on the sideline isn't going to more more units for Nike.

Diversity of coaching staffs are independent of the quality of the coaching on the sideline. The problem is that ownership is 100% white rich males, and people tend to want to associate with people who are like them (this is one of the reasons Bernie Maddoff was such an effective con man).

If you don't believe that diversity is a virtue that should be ever-so-slightly supported, then say that. It'll mean that you're (probably) a racist, but at least be proud and own up to it.

If you don't believe there's any virtue in diversity, then maybe you could decide that it's in the best interest of the league and labor peace to have players who frequently invoke slavery when it comes to the draft, Franchise tags, etc., no look to their sideline and see exclusively white faces, and also on the opposing sideline, etc., etc.

I don't understand people who bitch about the Rooney Rule. You may claim that you're not racist, but if you're complaining about the Rooney Rule, what you're literally saying is that a white person shouldn't be required to have at least one conversation with a person of color.

Nothing racist there.

I call bull ****....

try for a moment to expand your mind...hell, your entire plane of conciousness if it is required.....and understand that there are many people in the world who simply do not feel like a minority candidate needs a crutch in order to get a good position.....you obviously do.....and then have the audacity to throw a racist tag at someone else

you should sit face down in the corner of a dark room and do a thousand hail mary's

 

[cardsfanmd]

I think the Rooney rule is pathetic, disgusting, embarrassing, ect. If that makes me a racist in anyone's mind then please take note that your assumption makes you a feeble-minded, following idiot in mine. The end.