Roster Analysis: Cardinals' QBs and RBs

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Team Offense: Stats

Points: 26.7 (4th)...Yards: 365.8 (4th)...Passing Yards: 292.1 (2nd)...Rushing Yards: 73.6 (32nd)

Quarterbacks:

13 Kurt Warner (16 401/598 67.1% 4,583 30 14 96.8). MVP caliber season. NFC Starting QB in NFC Championship, Super Bowl and Pro Bowl. Had a 112.3 passer rating in the playoffs. Was sacked 26 times, fumbled 11 times, losing 7. But held up well physically as evidenced by his stellar performance in the playoffs. Has a knack for reading defenses and making defenses pay on blitzes. Throws with great timing and accuracy. Hates to give up on a play which causes some of his fumbles. Involves every player in the offense. Knows his personnel exceptionally well. Smart and tough. A must re-signing for the Cardinals if they want the best chance to maintain their high scoring offense.

Prediction: Warner re-signs for 2 years @ $19-20M.

7 Matt Leinart. If Warner is re-signed for the next two years, Leinart is going to ask to be traded. Who can blame him? He's entering his 4th season in the league, and having watched Matt Cassell, his backup at USC, rise to stardom this past season (thus earning a $14.6M franchise tag contract), Leinart is champing at the bit to make his mark. What's unlcear at this point is whether the Cardinals would accomodate Leinart's wishes to be traded. Much would likely depend on whether the Cardinals believe they have either a capable #2 QB in Brian St. Pierre or whether there is another QB out there that they could sign to be a good #2 option. Keeping Leinart would offer the team added security...but with Leinart's $15M roster bonus due a year from now, a decision on his future with the Cardinals is going to have to be made one ay or another in the next year. The market for young talented starting QBs is high right now...the draft is not deep, nor is the free agent pool, especially with Matt Cassell being franchise tagged. Teams that would likely be most interested in making a move for a QB are the Jets, Vikings, Lions and Bucs...a possibly even the Panthers, Dolphins and Jaguars.

Leinart showed some maturity this season. He handled his backup situation with class and acquitted himself rather well in his brief appearances, highlighted by a beautful long TD strike to Larry Fitzgerald versus the Patriots, which was virtually the sole highlight of the game for the Cardinals that day. Leinart has the smarts and the poise to be a solid NFL QB. While he lacks exemplary arm strength, he is a fluid and accurate passer, who would be at his best in an offense, like he had at USC, that has a dependable ground game.

Prediction: Leinart is traded to the New York Jets.

2 Brian St. Pierre. St. Pierre was signed last season to be the team's #3 QB. His familiarity with Coach Whizenhunt and his system gave St. Pierre and the team a comfort zone. In the pre-season, St. Pierre showed a solid command of the offense and displayed grittiness, good mobility and a quick release on his throws. After one strong performance last summer, Steve Mariucci of NFL Network said of St. Pierre, "At some point, he will be a good starter for some team in this league." St. Pierre ran the scout team in practices and received high praise from the coaches in that regard. He is currently an unrestricted free agent, and could be an important signing if the team wants to entertain trade offers for Matt Leinart. Because of St. Pierre's strong relationship with Whisenhunt and his knowledge of the system, it will be interesting to see whether he is re-signed and what the team's expectations are for him next season. He lacks NFL game experience, so the coaches would have to feel confident enough in his abilities to promote him to the #2 role.

Prediction: St. Pierre signs a three year deal to remain in Arizona and becomes the team's #2 QB if Leinart is traded.

3 Tyler Palko. Signed just recently, Palko, Fitz's old QB at Pittsburgh, will compete for the #3 QB job. He's a crafty player, a lefty, who lacks ideal size and arm strength. His greatest strengths are his accuracy, his decent mobility and his competitiveness.

Prediction: The Cardinals will draft a QB at some point in the draft this year, thus making Palko's chances of sticking very slim.

Running Backs:

32 Edgerrin James (133/514 3.9 3). Edge wants out of Arizona where he felt he was being stifled and held hostage. He did prevail this season as evidenced by his strong showing in the playoffs. It's interesting that the Cardinals haven't released him yet...but that seems inevitable. In doing so the Cardinals will recover nearly $5M in cap space.

Prediction: Edge is released and is signed by the Baltimore Ravens to split time with fellow Hurricane Willis McGahee.

34 Tim Hightower (113/399 2.8 10...34/237 7.0 0). Hightower was an integral part of the team's success both during the regular season and the playoffs. His hard running style and uncanny nose for the end zone served him well, especially for a wet behind the ears rookie. He seemed far more comfortable and confident coming in off the bench. Perhaps it was tough psychologically to find himself starting in front of a future Hall of Famer and a mentor who took him under his wing during training camp. The question is: can Hightower be the starter in 2009? It should help that Edge will be gone and that he comes to camp bigger and stronger thanks to John Lott. Hightower's toughness is remarkable. The way he attacked the fiercest safety in the league in Brian Dawkins was inspiring. Whiz likes to involve all three of his running backs, which will take some of the pressure off Hightower.

Prediction: Hightower becomes the team's starting RB.

28 J.J. Arrington (31/187 6.0 1...29/255 8.8 1). Arrington returned to the field with a bang after being inactive for the first four games, as he returned the opening kickoff versus the Cowboys for a scintillating TD. As the team's speedy spread RB, Arrington was very productive and clutch, averaging 6 yards a run and nearly 9 yards a catch. One scrutinized for being a tad tentaive, Arrington now runs without any hesitation. He's ideal for his role in the offense, but will need to be re-signed as he is an unrestricted free agent.

Prediction: Arrington is re-signed to a 3 year $6M contract with incentives.

45 Terrell Smith. One of the real feel-good stories in the NFL this year as Smith realized his ailing mother's dream of playing in the Super Bowl. While the Cardinals did not run the ball much, when Smith was called upon he delivered. His block during THE DRIVE in the NFC Championship game on the 4th and 1 sweep to Hightower is one of the main reasons why Smith did find himself and the team in the Super Bowl. Smith is an unrestricted free agent, but has done more than enough to warrant a new contract.

Preciction: Smith re-signs for 2 years @ $2M.

46 Tim Castille. Castille is a versatile FB whose greatest strength is catching the ball out of the backfield, especially in the red zone. He made eight tackles on STs this year, but was not consistently strong in that area. But, Castille seems highly motivated and should be poised to make a splash next training camp.

Prediction: Castille makes the 53 man roster for a third straight year and has his most productive season.

33 Justin Green. This kid from Montana was recently signed and has shown some promise in other camps. At 5-11, 250, he's very similar size-wise to Terrelle Smith. The Cardinals may well be grooming him to be Smith's eventual replacement.

Prediction: If Smith is not re-signed, he has a shot. If Smith is re-signed, Green may be headed for the PS.

Draft Predictions:

Rd 2. RB Arian Foster (6-1, 215, Tennessee). Foster is this year's Matt Forte. A good sized back who hits the holes hard, catches the ball well out of the backfield and blocks well in protection.

Rd. 6. QB Curtis Painter (6-4, 230, Purdue). Reminds the coaching staff a little of, guess who? Kurt Warner. Has size, strength and a big arm. Has been a little erratic at times, but threw for Warner-type numbers as a junior: 29 TDs and 11 ints.
 
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Again, I have very little faith in Matty - but trading him makes ZERO sense...
As for the RB's - Hightower is not NFL starter material... He just isn't. Man Mitch. With all of the other crap we are contending with this offseason, should we enter '09 with your idea of a QB and RB contingent, this coming year could very much look like the days of old for this team... YUCK!!!!!

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Even if Leinart does demand a trade the Cardinals would be silly to oblige this year. Next year is a another matter and more of a decision making time. Interesting enough you cite Cassel as a reason Leinart is "chomping at the bit" to play. How long again did Cassel have to wait to play? He was behind one of the most durable and remarkable QBs of all time and it worked out pretty well.

I certainly don't buy that Whisenhunt has the confidence you do that St Pierre can be the back up to a 38 year old QB who has shown no ability to stay healthy over te duration of his career. In fact I bet St Pierre's own mother has doubts he could handle the job.

Mitch - where does this desire to get rid of Leinart at all costs come from? Is it personal? Do you not like his percieved personality? Do you think he doesn't have the skills? Keep in mind Cassell backed HIM up after being the upperclassman at SC and now he is the QB du jour of the NFL.

I just dont' get it. Why don't you think it would be worthwile to keep a potential QBOF who has shown some good flashs and has a reasonable cap number this year and trade THAT kind of commodity? If you love Warner so much surely Matt must have learned something this past year. Why would you want to see some other team reap those benefits that we cultivated - when there are minimal salary cap implications for 2009?

Is this just what you think will happen or what you want to happen? Do you just want to see St Pierre get this shot THAT bad?

Don't take this in an attacking manner. I just want to be enlightned on your angle here?
 

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Prediction: Leinart isn't going anywhere.


Prediction: Leinart isn't going anywhere....OOPS didn't you just say that? He is staying for the same reasons Mitch said he would leave and the same reasons St. Pierre has value. Not many qb's around worth anything (Rex Grossman anyone?), knows the system and unknown upside that might be quite high...alsi major league investment in him already.
 

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33 Justin Green. This kid from Montana was recently signed and has shown some promise in other camps. At 5-11, 250, he's very similar size-wise to Terrelle Smith. The Cardinals may well be grooming him to be Smith's eventual replacement.

Prediction: If Smith is not re-signed, he has a shot. If Smith is re-signed, Green may be headed for the PS.

Draft Predictions:

Rd 2. RB Arian Foster (6-1, 215, Tennessee). Foster is this year's Matt Forte. A good sized back who hits the holes hard, catches the ball well out of the backfield and blocks well in protection.

Rd. 6. QB Curtis Painter (6-4, 230, Purdue). Reminds the coaching staff a little of, guess who? Kurt Warner. Has size, strength and a big arm. Has been a little erratic at times, but threw for Warner-type numbers as a junior: 29 TDs and 11 ints.

If you expect the Jets to give Matt an extension so they dont have that 15 mill bonus albatros over their heads, then it could happen. But only if you think a team would do that.

Green isnt PS material. He started one year that I know of in Baltimore, maybe two. But he cant be put on the PS, has played to much according to the rules. He left the game and went to unknown satus when he blew up his leg or knee forget which. But before his injury he was a pretty good FB. Need to watch if he is healthy or not.

I am leary of Foster. Its just that I am not sold on any RB that cant even average 5 yards a carry at the college level. College players who dont even average 5 yards a carry rarely work in the pro's. Not saying it cant or doesnt happen but the odds are very much so against it. I had a scout (worked for SD at the time 6 years ago) tell me at a charity golf tournament that he and the team wont even put a RB who doesnt average over 5 yards a carry even on there draft list.

Painter barely averaged 60% comp his career and only had over 60% in one out of 3 seasons. Again just like the RB situation above, QB's who cant even average higher then a 60% comp usually do not make it in the pro's. That and he completely stunk up the joint as a Senior. I dont think he even gets drafted. Puggy, slow, inaccurate QB's usually dont get drafted.

I think you are pretty close to what it would take to re-sign those players by the way.:thumbup:
 

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I just can't see the Cards giving Leinart away. However, again, I have all the faith in the world in Whiz and his staff. If they were to feel that good about St Pierre then it's okay by me.

Why would Edge be happy to go to the Ravens and split time if he's not happy about splitting time with us? Has anybody ever thought about actually extending Edge to reduce his cap hit? Sounds crazy, but Edge is not going to get a huge deal anywhere in the NFL and be gauranteed the starter.
Would Edge be worth keeping if he were to accept his role with this team and we reduced his cap hit to 3 or 4m instead of 6m?

As far as Arrington, I sure hope you are right. I have really come to like him and I hope his role is expanded next year.

I want Smith back to.
 

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I think the one thing no one is considering is that even though Kurt is probably going to sign for two years, there are still many uncertainties that surround him:

1) Will he stay for the entire length of the two year contract? If we make it back to the big game and win it, almost certain he does not stay for the second year. Under Mitch's proposal, that makes St. Pierre our QBoF. I don't know about you, but I have a sick feeling in my stomach about that situation. Leinart is entering his 3rd year under the Whis system, so he knows it just as well as St. Pierre and Leinart, not only being more talented, knows the receiving corp and it's tendencies better.

2) Warner's health. We all were fearing the day last season when Kurt went down because of past history. Thankfully that didn't happen. Still, a 38 year old QB in a pass happy system is going to take several shots and inevitably, he is going to sustain an injury that will require him to miss a game. We can ill afford to miss a beat. Who would you rather throw into the mix in that case: Leinart or St. Pierre. 16 starts compared to one career passing attempt.
 
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Even if Leinart does demand a trade the Cardinals would be silly to oblige this year. Next year is a another matter and more of a decision making time. Interesting enough you cite Cassel as a reason Leinart is "chomping at the bit" to play. How long again did Cassel have to wait to play? He was behind one of the most durable and remarkable QBs of all time and it worked out pretty well.

I certainly don't buy that Whisenhunt has the confidence you do that St Pierre can be the back up to a 38 year old QB who has shown no ability to stay healthy over te duration of his career. In fact I bet St Pierre's own mother has doubts he could handle the job.

Mitch - where does this desire to get rid of Leinart at all costs come from? Is it personal? Do you not like his percieved personality? Do you think he doesn't have the skills? Keep in mind Cassell backed HIM up after being the upperclassman at SC and now he is the QB du jour of the NFL.

I just dont' get it. Why don't you think it would be worthwile to keep a potential QBOF who has shown some good flashs and has a reasonable cap number this year and trade THAT kind of commodity? If you love Warner so much surely Matt must have learned something this past year. Why would you want to see some other team reap those benefits that we cultivated - when there are minimal salary cap implications for 2009?

Is this just what you think will happen or what you want to happen? Do you just want to see St Pierre get this shot THAT bad?

Don't take this in an attacking manner. I just want to be enlightned on your angle here?

Thanks for the questions and phrasing them respectfully. I appreciate that, AF.

Here are my reasons, and I will be the first to admit if I am wrong.

1. The QB market is high right now. If the Cardinals wait a year to explore trades for Leinart they may be risking three things: (a) the market won't be as high...thus the return they could get for him would be far lower; (b) what if Warner gets hurt and Leinart struggles replacing him? That would ruin any chances of getting good value for him or having any significant leverege in trade talks; (c) the $15M roster bonus becomes more of an imminent factor the following year...and could cause the Cardinals to release him without getting anything in return.

2. About the $15M roster bonus...and Joe makes a good point that whomever trades for Leinart may likely want to rip up his old contract and ink him to a new one...which, by the way, Leinart would probably be more than willing to do...but, if let's say the Jets offered their 1st round pick for Leinart...they could opt to try to negotiate a new contract with him--or--they could decide to keep his current contract as is with the realization that they were going to have to ink him to a signing bonus anyway (which they wouldn't have to pay until the following year)...also they would have one year to evaluate him and his value and be in a position to rework the contract after his first year there. In the meantime, they could save significant money for their cap this year only having to pay Leinart $3M this year and saving on the first round pick money. The Jets actually need the cap space after all the money they spent last year in free agency.

3. And this is speculative, I admit, and I know this is going to infuriate some of you, but I honestly believe that the Cardinal coaches think St. Pierre is a better fit for their system than Leinart. This isn't to say that the coaches are completely down on Leinart...I don't believe they are. But, it's more about style of play and Leinart's doesn't quite match the style they are looking for. If the Cardinals ran a more traditional offense, the way the Jets do, for example, Leinart would certainly be a better fit. But, the Cardinals have a high powered passing attack which requires the QB to be a quick reader of defenses and blitzes and have the quick release to get the ball out fast. St. Pierre has a quicker release than Leinart and he's got better feet...which is why he fits the system better.

4. And this may be the most important reason of all...with Warner back as QB...and the Cardinals needing difference makers on defense...if the Cardinals did have a chance to trade Leinart for a pick in the teens, they would want to do it. For example, if they were able to add Rey Maualaga or Brian Cushing...either of them could give the team a better chance of winning the Super Bowl, than a #2 QB on the sidelines would.

Honestly, AF, I have nothing personal against Leinart. I just don't believe he's the right fit for Whiz's system. In fact, I would bet you that had Whiz been the HC in 2006 he would have taken Jay Cutler over Leinart, and not have even thought twice about it.
 
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Of course I don't agree with the QB situation, and believe the QB situation will be:
1. Warner
2. Leinart
3. ?????? Hopefully GSP.

The running back situation is still fuzzy. I still don't see Arrington coming back, unless he takes a very mediocre deal.

I also think the Cardinals have a lot of work ahead of them when it comes to re-staffing the RB core.

I hope Hightower is not the starting RB. He is just not an every down back.
 

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3. And this is speculative, I admit, and I know this is going to infuriate some of you, but I honestly believe that the Cardinal coaches think St. Pierre is a better fit for their system than Leinart. This isn't to say that the coaches are completely down on Leinart...I don't believe they are. But, it's more about style of play and Leinart's doesn't quite match the style they are looking for. If the Cardinals ran a more traditional offense, the way the Jets do, for example, Leinart would certainly be a better fit. But, the Cardinals have a high powered passing attack which requires the QB to be a quick reader of defenses and blitzes and have the quick release to get the ball out fast. St. Pierre has a quicker release than Leinart and he's got better feet...which is why he fits the system better.

Oh my goodness, Mitch, how in the heck did you get fixated like this? St. Pierre is a career THIRD STRING QB. It should tell you something that he's never even been able to make it as a backup. St. Pierre in no way, shape or form measures up to Leinart as a QB. Just what Leinart showed as a rookie is 20 times more than anything St. Pierre could dream of doing. Sorry, man, but you have Preston Parsons (sp?) syndrome.
 

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Oh my goodness, Mitch, how in the heck did you get fixated like this? St. Pierre is a career THIRD STRING QB. It should tell you something that he's never even been able to make it as a backup. St. Pierre in no way, shape or form measures up to Leinart as a QB. Just what Leinart showed as a rookie is 20 times more than anything St. Pierre could dream of doing. Sorry, man, but you have Preston Parsons (sp?) syndrome.

I think the fact that St. Pierre called the "Philly Special" has clouded Mitch's objectivity!!! ;)

Mitch - St. Pierre?? Let it go buddy... Let it go....
 
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If you expect the Jets to give Matt an extension so they dont have that 15 mill bonus albatros over their heads, then it could happen. But only if you think a team would do that.

Green isnt PS material. He started one year that I know of in Baltimore, maybe two. But he cant be put on the PS, has played to much according to the rules. He left the game and went to unknown satus when he blew up his leg or knee forget which. But before his injury he was a pretty good FB. Need to watch if he is healthy or not.

I am leary of Foster. Its just that I am not sold on any RB that cant even average 5 yards a carry at the college level. College players who dont even average 5 yards a carry rarely work in the pro's. Not saying it cant or doesnt happen but the odds are very much so against it. I had a scout (worked for SD at the time 6 years ago) tell me at a charity golf tournament that he and the team wont even put a RB who doesnt average over 5 yards a carry even on there draft list.

Painter barely averaged 60% comp his career and only had over 60% in one out of 3 seasons. Again just like the RB situation above, QB's who cant even average higher then a 60% comp usually do not make it in the pro's. That and he completely stunk up the joint as a Senior. I dont think he even gets drafted. Puggy, slow, inaccurate QB's usually dont get drafted.

I think you are pretty close to what it would take to re-sign those players by the way.:thumbup:

1. Agreed on the idea that Leinart would negotiate a new deal with a team that trades for him.

2. I thought Green would have another year's eligibility for the PS. Thanks for clarifying that.

3. As for Foster...even the writers at Walter's Football report said, "Foster had no chance, With as terrible as the Tennesse QB situation was teams were loading the box with 8 and 9 players to stop Foster, and he still managed 4.4 yards per carry."

Check out Foster's highlight tape:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDfvypWLokk

4. Painter is not slow and pudgy, Joe. He's 6-4, 233 and runs a 4.85 40. He passed for more yards in one season at Purdue (3,958) than even Drew Brees. He was benched this past year by HC Joe Tiller, who has a quick hook, as he benched Kyle Orton as well. Painter obviously needs grooming...but two years behind Warner could be a boon for him. He's got the big-time arm and pretty good feet. Check out this highlight reel:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4ZvZmUFeIM
 
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1. Agreed on the idea that Leinart would negotiate a new deal with a team that trades for him.

2. I thought Green would have another year's eligibility for the PS. Thanks for clarifying that.

3. As for Foster...even the writers at Walter's Football report said, "Foster had no chance, With as terrible as the Tennesse QB situation was teams were loading the box with 8 and 9 players to stop Foster, and he still managed 4.4 yards per carry."

Check out Foster's highlight tape:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDfvypWLokk

4. Painter is not slow and pudgy, Joe. He's 6-4, 233 and runs a 4.85 40. He passed for more yards in one season at Purdue (3,958) than even Drew Brees. He was benched this past year by HC Joe Tiller, who has a quick hook, as he benched Kyle Orton as well. Painter obviously needs grooming...but two years behind Warner could be a boon for him. He's got the big-time arm and pretty good feet. Check out this highlight reel:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4ZvZmUFeIM

Mitch, Foster lacks speed buddy... We need someone who can represent much more of a threat at RB than does Foster... And, not sure of theirn respective 40 times, but Foster does not appear anywhere close to Forte in terms of speed, and Forte is certainly not a burner...
 
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Oh my goodness, Mitch, how in the heck did you get fixated like this? St. Pierre is a career THIRD STRING QB. It should tell you something that he's never even been able to make it as a backup. St. Pierre in no way, shape or form measures up to Leinart as a QB. Just what Leinart showed as a rookie is 20 times more than anything St. Pierre could dream of doing. Sorry, man, but you have Preston Parsons (sp?) syndrome.

Stout, I am not the only one who sees St. Pierre's potential. Steve Mariucci (ex 49er and Lions HC, now NFL Network analyst) predicted this pre-season that St. Pierre will become a solid starter in this league.

Sure, St. Pierre didn't win a Heisman or an NCAA Championship, nor was he a #10 draft pick in the first round. So it's hard to even imagine that he could be a better fit in the Cardinals' system than Matt Leinart.
 
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Mitch, Foster lacks speed buddy... We need someone who can represent much more of a threat at RB than does Foster... And, not sure of theirn respective 40 times, but Foster does not appear anywhere close to Forte in terms of speed, and Forte is certainly not a burner...

I just updated the Foster highlight film on him in my response to Joe. Check it out, 82CG and see for yourself whether he has speed.

Just remember too that with as bad as UTs QB's were this year, every team loaded the box to stop Foster.
 

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Prediction: Edge is released and is signed by the Baltimore Ravens to split time with fellow Hurricane Willis McGahee.
No chance. McGahee is likely to be cut this offseason just like Edge. He is always hurt and they had another one of their RBs go to the Pro Bowl this year. The team also used an early second round pick on Ray Rice last year and he played well this year.
 
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No chance. McGahee is likely to be cut this offseason just like Edge. He is always hurt and they had another one of their RBs go to the Pro Bowl this year. The team also used an early second round pick on Ray Rice last year and he played well this year.

Since Edge is durable, maybe they sign him to split time with Rice. For some reason, Baltimore seems like a fit for him, especially with Ray Lewis and Ed Reed there.

Edge isn't going to get a lucrative salary. At this point he will go where he feels most welcomed.
 

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I just updated the Foster highlight film on him in my response to Joe. Check it out, 82CG and see for yourself whether he has speed.

Just remember too that with as bad as UTs QB's were this year, every team loaded the box to stop Foster.


Mitch - I don't see it buddy... He's a big kid with above average skills perhaps, but IMO, he represents at best a marginal upgrade over Hightower.
His 40 time should be interesting, however, from the video you linked, he game speed seems lacking to me - though he did outrun a ref who looked like a deer being shot-down! Too funny...
 

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First let me say, if you like looking at highlight reels thats cool but I dont like highlight reels and would rather not even look at them. They are far and away the most misleading information on the net about players. I can make any player in college football look awesome in a highlight reel. Its just one stroke of a painting of a 1000 strokes.

3. As for Foster...even the writers at Walter's Football report said, "Foster had no chance, With as terrible as the Tennesse QB situation was teams were loading the box with 8 and 9 players to stop Foster, and he still managed 4.4 yards per carry."

All three years of him being a starter he hasnt had even one chance to succeed in Tennessee? The #2 RB who had almost as many carries averaged over 5 yards a carry. Foster had a really good QB in 2007 and wasnt much better. So I am not buying what walterfootball is trying to sell here.

Many other RB's get the box stacked and still succeed.

He was so ineffective even against the lower level competition that they didnt even try to let him run against the likes of Auburn, Alabama and Georgia. A total of 17 carries against all 3. And it wasnt becuase they were getting blown out, its because the coaches thought he would be ineffective.

4. Painter is not slow and pudgy, Joe. He's 6-4, 233 and runs a 4.85 40. He passed for more yards in one season at Purdue (3,958) than even Drew Brees. He was benched this past year by HC Joe Tiller, who has a quick hook, as he benched Kyle Orton as well. Painter obviously needs grooming...but two years behind Warner could be a boon for him. He's got the big-time arm and pretty good feet. Check out this highlight reel:

Painter does have good feet in the pocket which is why he doesnt get sacked at all. But dont confuse good feet with speed. Warner is also has good feet but is slow.

Joe Tiller pulled Painter because he wasnt getting it done. Which is obvious when you look at his under 60% completeion percentage and 13 to 11 TD to INT ratio. He was benched because he went through a 5 game stretch of throwing for 53%, 2 TD's and 7 INT's.

As for Arm Strength I think you may be using the highlight films to much because he was 80th in the NCAA in terms of yards per attempts. If he does have arm strength he didnt show it in any of the games 95% of the time.

He has also had issues with working out in the offseason. Always coming in with a soft belly. He may be 6-4 233 but its a soft 6-4 233 in the upper torso.

After watching him a lot. the only thing this guy has in terms of NFL talent is a quick release and agility in the pocket. But it doesnt translate to production, because he is a very poor decision maker and has zero accuracy.

Note that I thought of him a rising star to begin the 2008 college season after I saw his progression in his Junior year.
 
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Since Edge is durable, maybe they sign him to split time with Rice. For some reason, Baltimore seems like a fit for him, especially with Ray Lewis and Ed Reed there.

Edge isn't going to get a lucrative salary. At this point he will go where he feels most welcomed.
My point was that the Ravens already dont have enough carries to go around. The team's primary runner is LeRon McClain, a former FB who I had us taking in my mock drfat two years ago. If Edge didn't like splitting carries with Hightower, what makes you think he would want to watch 2/3s of the carries go to McClain, all of the thrid down stuff go to Rice or McGahee and then he would still have to split the remaining 1/3 of the carries with those two other backs. it just doesn't make any sense for anyone involved IMO.
I think there's about the same chance Edge is a Raven next year as their is of TJ Whosyourmama being a Cardi.nal
 
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Mitch - I don't see it buddy... He's a big kid with above average skills perhaps, but IMO, he represents at best a marginal upgrade over Hightower.
His 40 time should be interesting, however, from the video you linked, he game speed seems lacking to me - though he did outrun a ref who looked like a deer being shot-down! Too funny...

According to Walter's Draft Page, they have Foster's 40 at 4.54.

I will add this...I don't think the Cardinals are going to take a RB at #31...the defensive needs are too great.

At #63, however, taking a RB there makes the most sense. But they may get lucky and see Shonn Greene there. And if you really want speed...check out Devin Moore of Wyoming.

My thinking was a big, durable runner in Foster who would share the load with Hightower (the red zone back) and Arrington (the speed back).
 

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I don't get the love and admiration for St. Pierre. This guy is a spare who has never in his 6 NFL seasons managed to even compete for 2nd on the depth chart. Everyone seems to have fallen in love with him b/c he had decent stats in the '08 preseason but look at back at his stats in the 2007 preseason. He was terrible and what's changed? Did he suddenly put it together with another season running the scout team?

No, he had three decent games against guys who are now rounding up carts at their hometown Wal-Mart or asking "would you like fries with that?" We're talking about a 29 year old guy who's attempted one pass in the NFL and wondering when he'll get his chance.....sounds like Jim Sorgi's twin if you ask me.

2008 Preseason
24 comp, 34 attempts, 64.9 comp %, 6.3 YPA, 2 TD, and zero picks

  • the first game his YPA was an awesome 4.7 and the final game of the preseason he completed one of seven passes
  • His only two 'impressive games' of the preseason consisted of 12 passes, none of which came until there were less than 5 minutes go in the third quarter
2007 Preseason
25 comp, 54 attempts, 46.3 comp %, 5.2 YPA, 1 TD, 1 pick
 

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Prediction: Leinart is traded to the New York Jets.

Rd. 6. QB Curtis Painter (6-4, 230, Purdue). Reminds the coaching staff a little of, guess who? Kurt Warner. Has size, strength and a big arm. Has been a little erratic at times, but threw for Warner-type numbers as a junior: 29 TDs and 11 ints.

I don't get why we would trade a QB of the future just to draft a QB of the future (if you can consider a 6th round pick that highly).
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According to Walter's Draft Page, they have Foster's 40 at 4.54.

I will add this...I don't think the Cardinals are going to take a RB at #31...the defensive needs are too great.

At #63, however, taking a RB there makes the most sense. But they may get lucky and see Shonn Greene there. And if you really want speed...check out Devin Moore of Wyoming.

My thinking was a big, durable runner in Foster who would share the load with Hightower (the red zone back) and Arrington (the speed back).

The Cards need to stop trying to piecemeal a backfield together with dudes who are not capable... JJ is a nice back in the way he is used today... nothing more. If we was, Whiz would have found the way to use him more.
Same for Hightower... He's a nice back-up... a very nice back-up... but that's it.
We need a guy who is a legit starter and who represents a threat, regardless of the down and distance. We don't need more of the same...
 

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