Roster Analysis: NTs, DEs & OLBers

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2008 Defensive Stats:

Points: 26.6 (28th)

Total Yards Per Game: 331.5 (19th)

Passing Yards: 3,540 (22nd)

Rushing Yards: 1,764 (16th)

Nose Tackles:

97 Bryan Robinson (6-4, 304, 13, Fresno St.). Started all 16 games at a position he is not ideally suited for. Was a steady veteran presence. Recorded a mere 20 tackles and one sack. Not particularly adept at holding his ground on double teams. Was not double teamed as much as some think, as he was not considered a threat to blow up plays in the backfield. His tipped pass in the Super Bowl that led to Karlos' Dansby's interception, was Robinson's biggest pay of the season. If he is starting at NT again next year, that will not speak well for the direction of the defense. Could be a decent rotation player at DE, but not a starter. Has one year left on his contract.

98 Gabe Watson (6-3, 332, 4, Michigan). Was fast becoming one of the budding young stalwarts on the team until he injured his knee while training in the off-season. He battled back through rehab admirably and made a contribution, although he clearly was not as stout at the point of attack as he had been last year. Recorded 20 tackles and 1 sack, which is what Robinson recorded while playing the vast majority of the snaps. Heads into a contract year, so this off-season will be big for him. Look for him to re-emerge as the starter and regain his form.

78 Alan Branch (6-5, 332, 3, Michigan). Wasted year from a player that the Cardinals traded up to get in the 2006 draft. Has bust label written all over him. The so-called "light bulb" the coaches talked about has yet to even flicker. Was inactive for the majority of the games, even though an aging veteran Bryan Robinson was playing out of position, and fellow Wolverine Gabe Watson was hampered by knee problems. Still has enormous potential at his size, but seems like the kind of player that needs a full-time coach just to make sure he gets up on time and goes to the weight room. Well, this isn't college anymore, and this guy needs to start acting like a professional. Otherwise, he can join Wendell Bryant on the long list of impressive college DTs who blew over like a dandelion in the NFL.

Defensive Ends:

90 Darnell Dockett (6-4, 285, 6, Florida St.). Quick, high-motored and disruptive DE, who turned in his best year as a Cardinal. "As Dockett and Smith go, the Cardinals go," was one of my most redundant refrains during the course of the season. When Dockett was up to the task, he was at times uncontainable, like in the Cowboys game where he put a whipping on Tony Romo. One could argue that the play where he blew up the handoff to the Falcon's Michael Turner at the beginning of the second half that caused the ball to pop into Antrel Rolle's hands for an electrifying TD, was the most significant play of the off-season. The Cardinals were trailing in the game at that point and from that play forward all the momentum in the playoffs went the Cardinals' way. The key to Dockett's success is his quick and powerful burst off the ball. He tends to jump the gun a little too often and when he doesn't get off the ball quickly, he can get easily steered away from plays. However, Dockett made noticeable strides this year in run defense, as he scraped his way to the ball with fierce determination and finished off the plays with jarring tackles. His three sacks in the Super Bowl ties a Super Bowl record, and on that day he was by far the best defensive player on the field for the Cardinals. For the regular season Dockett recorded 49 tackles (37 solo) and 4 sacks.

94 Antonio Smith (6-4, 285, 5, Oklahoma St.). Same size as Dockett but not quite as quick off the ball. Nonetheless, Smith uses his impressive upper body strength to rip his way toward the quarterback. Shows up in big games, but tends to be very streaky. Was not much of factor in the Super Bowl, as he failed to shed his blocks and could not get his hands on Big Ben. Seems to have trouble sustaining premium effort. Will jump out on tape one second and disappear the next. Recorded 41 tackles and 3.5 sacks on the regular season. Will garner some interest on the free agent market. The Cardinals apparently want him to give them the right to match any offers he gets...which is a passive/aggressive approach that will likely make no difference, as Smith will likley sign the first good offer he gets.

93 Calais Campbell (6-7, 282, 2, Miami). Recorded 28 tackles and 0 sacks as a rookie. Tall, rangy and athletic tackle who plays with determination. Was particularly agile and athletic on special teams. Didn't show much of a pass rush, nor did he use his size to his advantage in the way of getting his hands up to deflect passes. Was generally good at finishing off tackles and is a good tackler, but inexplicably whiffed on what looked to be some easy tackles in the playoffs. Could start next year if he has a strong off-season. Needs to add strength, particularly in his legs and lower body.

91 Kenny Iwebema (6-4, 274, 2, Iowa). Recorded 3 tackles for the season and never really took advantage of his limited opportunities. Hailed as a good pass rusher coming out of college, Iwebema neither showed the technique nor the motor to make his presence felt this year. Seemed to be feeling his way around. Like Alan Branch, this kid needs the light bulb to go on. Could be a major and welcomed surprise next year if the light goes on this off-season.

73 Keilen Dykes (6-3, 294, 2, West Virginia). Was signed to the PS after an injury marred pre-season. Was a big-time performer in big games at WVU. With Antonio Smith likely heading elsewhere and Bryan Robinson getting on in age, Dykes' window of opportunity is wide open. Has the physical tools to make a splash and even figure into next year's rotation.

Rush Defensive Ends:

92 Bertrand Berry (6-3, 264, 12, Notre Dame). Unselfishly accepted a pay cut after two injury filled years and this year managed to play in all the games. Was the team's best pass rusher, leading the team in sacks with 5. Was not particularly effective versus the run and only had 22 tackles on the year. Is a solid and steady leader on and off the field. At this point in his career he's best suited to be a situational pass rusher. He will likely re-sign with the Cardinals to be just that for the next year or two.

55 Travis LaBoy (6-3, 250, 6, Hawaii). Entered camp with a splash, getting his fellow pass rushers all agog over his prized sack leader belt. Was flying off the ball and playing with great effort until he got injured. After that, his minutes and production dipped significantly. He has good moves and a very quick first step off the ball. He crashed down well versus the run, but bites a little too easily at times and is prone to misdirection. Pretty good tackler and finisheras a chaser. Recorded 31 tackles and 4 sacks for the season. Had he stayed healthy the Super Bowl outcome may have been different because he's one guy quick and sudden enough to get to an elusive QB like Roethlisberger. The Cardinals will need him to be super healthy and productive next year.

Strong Side Outside Linebackers:

56 Chike Okeafor (6-5, 247, 11, Purdue). Came on like gangbusters late in the season after suffering through a highly inconsistent regular season in which he recorded 60 tackles and 4.5 sacks. Still a high-level athlete who can make quick bursts to the ball. Now seems comfortable in his role at SOLB after missing the entire 2007 season. There's been talk about the team asking him to take a paycut, but after the way he finsihed the season and in light of the lack of depth at his position, the Cardinals may stand pat with him for the final year of his contract. His work ethic is exemplary, which is why he got stronger as the year went on.

53 Clark Haggans (6-4, 243, 10, Colorado St.). Key role player who stepped up in some key games prior to getting injured and place on the IR. Recorded 19 tackles (18 solo) and 1 sack. Gave the team good energy off the bench. Is a free agent who will likely be re-signed for 2009.

57 Victor Hobson (6-0, 252, 7, Michigan). Veteran signed to a two year contract late in the season. Adds potential value on STs. Needs to show pass rush ability as a blitzer. Has 11 career sacks. Is a physical player. Might have a tough time sticking if Haggans re-signs.

Draft Predictions:

Rd. 1 (#31): LB Larry English (6-2, 256, Northern Illinois). The Cardinals' top priority is to acquire a top-end young pass rusher and English is one of the draft's most intriguing OLB/DE prospects. He has the prototypical size and speed ratio traditional 3-4 defenses want in an OLB.

Rd. 3 (#95): DE Mitch King (6-3, 278, Iowa). The Cardinals snag King here even though right now he's a tad undersized to play 3-4 DE, because he has a relentless motor, is deceptively strong and has a superior attitude. King will be able to profit from working with John Lott and should be able to come to camp ten to twelve pounds stronger. And, get this, King will have the legitmate opportunity to win the starting RDE job in competition with Calais Campbell and fellow Hawkeye, Kenny Iwebema.
 
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Fair assessments all around I feel.

It strikes me that we can really use another star player _somewhere_ in this mix. Beyond Dockett, we have a lot of aging experience, injury prone players or unseen potential.. and while those pieces can come together (as they did in the playoffs) and be special... it would take a lot of pressure off the whole system to have one more high calibur play maker in this front 7. I don't really even care where that piece fits in... but someone who disrupts the line or gets to the quarterback will make the whole unit even better.
 

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:thumbup:Solid, solid write up.

Next year's defense will depend a great deal on how effective Watson can be at the nose and how Campbell plays in his first season as a starter. With a full, healthy off season Watson is my choice as breakout player of the year for this team and they'll have to lock him up in the off season b/c big time nose tackles are a premium in the NFL.

LaBoy has got to stay healthy and productive as well. Another injury plagued campaign like 2008 could have him a 'cap casulty' list if you ask me.
 

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93 Calais Campbell
91 Kenny Iwebema

Do either of these guys project to WOLB position in the 3-4? I would think one of them would be the heir apparent over there?

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73 Keilen Dykes (6-3, 294, 2, West Virginia). Was signed to the PS after an injury marred pre-season. Was a big-time performer in big games at WVU. With Antonio Smith likely heading elsewhere and Bryan Robinson getting on in age, Dykes' window of opportunity is wide open. Has the physical tools to make a splash and even figure into next year's rotation.

This in an intriguing prospect, if he's able to avoid injury.

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Strong Side Outside Linebackers:

56 Chike Okeafor 53 Clark Haggans
57 Victor Hobson

Aren't these guys sufficient here? We do need a young guy, but...can he outperform these vets, next year? Probobly not. Maybe by game eight he can be thrown out there, like DRC was. Whether the results are close...?

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Draft Predictions:

Rd. 1 (#31): LB Larry English (6-2, 256, Northern Illinois). The Cardinals' top priority is to acquire a top-end young pass rusher and English is one of the draft's most intriguing OLB/DE prospects. He has the prototypical size and speed ratio traditional 3-4 defenses want in an OLB.

Isn't this a little short? If he measures below the 6'2" he could slide.

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Rd. 3 (#95): DE Mitch King (6-3, 278, Iowa). The Cardinals snag King here even though right now he's a tad undersized to play 3-4 DE, because he has a relentless motor, is deceptively strong and has a superior attitude. King will be able to profit from working with John Lott and should be able to come to camp ten to twelve pounds stronger. And, get this, King will have the legitmate opportunity to win the starting RDE job in competition with Calais Campbell and fellow Hawkeye, Kenny Iwebema.

Another intruiging prospect. And a John Lott project. What is with the Cards' Iowa conection? Is Lott from there?
 
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I think we're OK at DE but DT scares me.

Branch looks like a loser for sure.

I'd say we need to draft or acquire through free agency a quality interior lineman.
 

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Do either of these guys project to WOLB position in the 3-4? I would think one of them would be the heir apparent over there?

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73 Keilen Dykes (6-3, 294, 2, West Virginia). Was signed to the PS after an injury marred pre-season. Was a big-time performer in big games at WVU. With Antonio Smith likely heading elsewhere and Bryan Robinson getting on in age, Dykes' window of opportunity is wide open. Has the physical tools to make a splash and even figure into next year's rotation.

This in an intriguing prospect, if he's able to avoid injury.

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Strong Side Outside Linebackers:

56 Chike Okeafor 53 Clark Haggans
57 Victor Hobson [/quote]

Aren't these guys sufficient here? We do need a young guy, but...can he outperform these vets, next year? Probobly not. Maybe by game eight he can be thrown out there, like DRC was. Whether the results are close...?

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Draft Predictions:

Rd. 1 (#31): LB Larry English (6-2, 256, Northern Illinois). The Cardinals' top priority is to acquire a top-end young pass rusher and English is one of the draft's most intriguing OLB/DE prospects. He has the prototypical size and speed ratio traditional 3-4 defenses want in an OLB.[/quote]

Isn't this a little short? If he measures below the 6'2" he could slide.

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Rd. 3 (#95): DE Mitch King (6-3, 278, Iowa). The Cardinals snag King here even though right now he's a tad undersized to play 3-4 DE, because he has a relentless motor, is deceptively strong and has a superior attitude. King will be able to profit from working with John Lott and should be able to come to camp ten to twelve pounds stronger. And, get this, King will have the legitmate opportunity to win the starting RDE job in competition with Calais Campbell and fellow Hawkeye, Kenny Iwebema.[/QUOTE]

Another intruiging prospect. And a John Lott project. What is with the Cards' Iowa conection? Is Lott from there?[/QUOTE]

Not Lott... one of the other coaches.
 

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Bonus points for Mitch King he grew up in my hometown.
I would have to get his jersey if he was on my favorite team.
 

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Since I follow IOWA...

I would feel real comfortable selecting Mitch King. Iowa players usually aren't the most-talented physically BUT they do play with tremendous heart & determination. Their recruiting-class is usually over-looked each year by the media but it consistently produces quality players who go on to have pretty decent NFL careers. There's every reason to believe Mitch King would be a contributor.
 

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Mitch FYI Bert Berry didnt play in all of the games.
 

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On the draft prediction: Do you think Mitch King or Iwebema could slim down and become an OLB? I don't think we really need another DE otherwise, especially if we bring back Smith (which I doubt we will). Dockett will be playing nearly every 3-4 snap on the other side. I just don't see enough plays to get Campbell Iwebema and King all playing time which would make one of them look like a wasted pick.
 

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On the draft prediction: Do you think Mitch King or Iwebema could slim down and become an OLB?

I have no idea about King, but Iwebema sure isn't an OLB prospect. If any young DE has a chance at OLB it's Campbell. Iwebema would be better served adding ten pounds and sticking at end.
 

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I have no idea about King, but Iwebema sure isn't an OLB prospect. If any young DE has a chance at OLB it's Campbell. Iwebema would be better served adding ten pounds and sticking at end.

Campbell as a 6-8 - 280 lb OLB with questionable rushing skills... really don't so...
 

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I don't like Robinson being the NT. I've seen many plays where he was double teamed and pushed something like 10 yards. I think Watson-Dockett is the best tandem. I don't think I've seen Branch play wherever he may be.

Berry got really tired. He gets really worn out in the later quarters. I hate how Laboy always gets injured.

Chike is strange how the 1st half of the season I barely noticed him. But in the Philly game he was a monster, something like the waterboy. All over McNabb. So will we see the waterboy or just another LB next season?

A. Smith. I don't know, I remember the safety against Ryan, but not much else.
 
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On the draft prediction: Do you think Mitch King or Iwebema could slim down and become an OLB? I don't think we really need another DE otherwise, especially if we bring back Smith (which I doubt we will). Dockett will be playing nearly every 3-4 snap on the other side. I just don't see enough plays to get Campbell Iwebema and King all playing time which would make one of them look like a wasted pick.

I know Mitch King started out as a linebacker at Iowa. He has always been a little undersized for the tackle spot. I think he played in the 260's for most of his career at iowa.
 

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Chike is strange how the 1st half of the season I barely noticed him. But in the Philly game he was a monster, something like the waterboy. All over McNabb. So will we see the waterboy or just another LB next season?

Not so strange really if you remember that he sat out all last year with an injury. It often takes a player a season or so to get totally right after sitting out a year.
 

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Good stuff.

I would be very happy if the Cardinals obtained those players in the draft.

Okeafor is not needed. Pay cut or gone. Haggans can play his position and just as well for less.

LaBoy in my mind, needs to put up or get out this year. He got a big money contract, and he has been glass. Breaking apart nearly every other game. Furthermore he vanished for 75% of the season, even when on the field.

I would love to see Antonio Smith stay here but for the right price, and that is not going to happen. The NY Jets have signed every Cardinal Free Agent since the beginning of time, and I would not be surprised if he doesn't end up there.

Calais Campbell is 21 years old.......let me type that out again. Calais Campbell is 21 years old. He is still a kid. He will benefit from a offseason in a professional atmosphere. You can't teach 6'8" and a skinny 290 lbs. The Cardinals have to decide on what they want to do with him. Put him on the end as a quasi-OLB/DE or put him in the trenches where he should put a couple cheese steak pounds on him for leverage purposes.

Bertrand Berry and Bryan Robinson are valuable veterans. I would like to see Berry come back, and since he is a FA I could see him test the waters, not get any bites, and come back to the Cardinals.

Both both vets NEED to be situational. Asking Robinson and Berry to play full time takes away from their production.
 

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Okeafor is not needed. Pay cut or gone. Haggans can play his position and just as well for less.

The problem with both guys is that they're 32 years old. Time to start looking for some young blood for those Outside positions.
 

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I think we do need Okeafor. I have never seen Clark Haggans play as well as Chike did in the playoff's. Not to mention that we have questionable depth behind him.

I still think Travis Laboy can be an impact player for us. I like his explosion off the snap and his closing speed is great (see him take down Willie Parker in the endzone in the Super Bowl).

But I do agree that we need some youth in the LB unit. Adding a player like English in the draft would be a great addition.
 

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LOVE the write up Mitch! Keep up the offseason reading! Nailed a lot of stuff!

97 Bryan Robinson (6-4, 304, 13, Fresno St.). Was not double teamed as much as some think, as he was not considered a threat to blow up plays in the backfield.

I know we've all had discussions on Gabe being doubled, but Robinson? I can't think of many times offhand. I know I was surprised that he was playing NT at all, but you're right, if he's the starter and not depth, we're in trouble.

98 Gabe Watson (6-3, 332, 4, Michigan).
78 Alan Branch (6-5, 332, 3, Michigan).

If the team wants to have an effective 3-4 (or their hybrid) they've got to make sure Gabe's ready to go or get someone who is.

91 Kenny Iwebema (6-4, 274, 2, Iowa). Recorded 3 tackles for the season and never really took advantage of his limited opportunities. Hailed as a good pass rusher coming out of college, Iwebema neither showed the technique nor the motor to make his presence felt this year. Seemed to be feeling his way around. Like Alan Branch, this kid needs the light bulb to go on. Could be a major and welcomed surprise next year if the light goes on this off-season.

Really was surprised by his lack of pass rush. Especially by his ability to get off the ball and his stiffness. But it was his rookie year after a down senior season. Wouldn't be shocked (but disapointed) if he didn't pan out.
I wonder if in a couple of years he'll remind me of A. Smith?

56 Chike Okeafor (6-5, 247, 11, Purdue). Came on like gangbusters late in the season after suffering through a highly inconsistent regular season in which he recorded 60 tackles and 4.5 sacks. There's been talk about the team asking him to take a paycut, but after the way he finsihed the season and in light of the lack of depth at his position, the Cardinals may stand pat with him for the final year of his contract. His work ethic is exemplary, which is why he got stronger as the year went on.

He was productive in the playoffs, no more disappearing label, but really needs to be "there" all season long if he wants another contract from AZ.

Rd. 3 (#95): DE Mitch King (6-3, 278, Iowa). The Cardinals snag King here even though right now he's a tad undersized to play 3-4 DE, because he has a relentless motor, is deceptively strong and has a superior attitude. King will be able to profit from working with John Lott and should be able to come to camp ten to twelve pounds stronger. And, get this, King will have the legitimate opportunity to win the starting RDE job in competition with Calais Campbell and fellow Hawkeye, Kenny Iwebema.

Hawkeyes fans LOVE King's hustle, it's like a callback to Matt Roth (inside DT vs DE, but the motor's the reminder). He really does need to get much more physical to have a shot in the league, he relied on his quickness and never-quit in the Big Ten to make a lot of plays... that's not going to translate so well. I wonder if he'll really be needed to be drafted in the 3rd, I'd always thought he'd be a little later then that.

Again, great stuff!
 

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I know Mitch King started out as a linebacker at Iowa. He has always been a little undersized for the tackle spot. I think he played in the 260's for most of his career at iowa.

Does he have the raw foot speed to keep up with RB's, and TE's? I don't know if that's true.
 
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