Rotoworld ranks NFL GMs....Keim #23 on the list.

[Ronin]

23. Steve Keim, Cardinals

The easy part — taking Kyler Murray — is over for Steve Keim. What comes next? As it turns out, it was drafting yet another defensive tweener in the first round. There is no reason Isaiah Simmons can’t be a star. The same was also true of previous Keim selections Haason Reddick and Deone Bucannon. That is to say nothing of the players who actually had positions, like Josh Rosen, Robert Nkemdiche and Jonathan Cooper. Shaky drafter or not, Keim still managed to win his second consecutive offseason, acquiring DeAndre Hopkins for the price of David Johnson and a second-round pick. He also snagged Kenyan Drake for a bag of footballs last October. Keim was just fine when he had an engaged Bruce Arians to drag him along. The core of Kliff Kingsbury, Chandler Jones, Murray and Hopkins may be ready to do the same thing.

https://www.rotoworld.com/article/goal-line-stand/nfls-best-gms-2020?page=2

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Wow that is some revisionist history. There was NOTHING easy about taking Kyler Murray #1.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Wow that is some revisionist history. There was NOTHING easy about taking Kyler Murray #1.

True, but the ranking seems about right.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Wow that is some revisionist history. There was NOTHING easy about taking Kyler Murray #1.

Because you have Josh Rosen on your team? Cards were in desperate need of a QB, and took a generational talent. I fail to see the courage.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Because you have Josh Rosen on your team? Cards were in desperate need of a QB, and took a generational talent. I fail to see the courage.

Taking A QB with the #10 pick the year before
Murray's baseball career
Murray's height
Murray's lack of college history
Bosa being the #1 rated player and at a position of need
A large swath of the fan base was behind Rosen. Murray got freaking boo'ed when drafted.

There was a lot to it and it seems easy and logical now but just how divided this board was should show what a risk it was.

 

[Proximo]

Wow that is some revisionist history. There was NOTHING easy about taking Kyler Murray #1.

There was to me. No way should any one else have been seriously considered. You take a potential franchise QB over any other position always unless you already have one.

 

[Proximo]

Bill O'Brien is listed 24 on this list. That kind of destroys all of it's credibility. I know there are other bad GM's but nobody has made as many incredibly stupid moves as him.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Because you have Josh Rosen on your team? Cards were in desperate need of a QB, and took a generational talent. I fail to see the courage.

It took huge stones to not only draft him, but to also draft him with your #10 pick on the roster still.

I agree with @Chris_Sanders. This was total revisionist history.

So was the Reddick & Deone comments. Destined to become stars? Hope aside.... those two never compared to the level of hype that Simmons comes in with.

He may be a shaky drafter..... but the dude is willing to make bold decisions.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I think it's a reasonable ranking for Keim. The team is 57-53-2 during his tenure as GM which is fine but most of that success was with Arians. And we've averaged fewer than 6 wins per season over the past 3 years. I really like what's he's done the past two years but prior to that he had a couple of dismal off-seasons.

 

[Proximo]

It took huge stones to not only draft him, but to also draft him with your #10 pick on the roster still.

I agree with @Chris_Sanders. This was total revisionist history.

So was the Reddick & Deone comments. Destined to become stars? Hope aside.... those two never compared to the level of hype that Simmons comes in with.

He may be a shaky drafter..... but the dude is willing to make bold decisions.

I'm sorry, when you are around a QB all season I am pretty sure you know whether he will succeed or not. I know I had already determined the best case scenario for Rosen was bottom tier starter, and that is without seeing how he interacted with the team and coaches.

Rookie QB's that are going to succeed always show something, he really didn't.

It was not a hard decision to cut bait IMO.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I'm sorry, when you are around a QB all season I am pretty sure you know whether he will succeed or not. I know I had already determined the best case scenario for Rosen was bottom tier starter, and that is without seeing how he interacted with the team and coaches.

Rookie QB's that are going to succeed always show something, he really didn't.

It was not a hard decision to cut bait IMO.

Your posts pre-draft on Kyler do not reflect this level of certainty.

In fact, there are very few posts that I found at all and they reflect a view that you were fine with Rosen or Murray. And that he only needed to be considered.

Then there is this thread where only 11 of the 59 voters said they would prefer Murray. The main view at that time publicly and on this board was....... Go with Bosa or Williams.
https://www.arizonasportsfans.com/f...nals-to-draft-if-they-cant-trade-down.305274/

They want a dynamic offense - I think either qb potentially works fine to accomplish that.

I think Rosen is still worth a 1st rounder, and if the cards think Murray is better I have no problem with it. A lot depends on how much they can get for trading down in my opinion.

https://www.arizonasportsfans.com/forum/posts/3873466/


The only other quote I found pre-draft in a Kyler thread:

Ok, I have never seen this guy play, not a college football fan.

But I just watched his highlights and I am impressed. This dude is really fast.

He looks like a super version of Wilson. His stats look great too.

I think the cards actually do have to consider this guy.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Taking A QB with the #10 pick the year before
Murray's baseball career
Murray's height
Murray's lack of college history
Bosa being the #1 rated player and at a position of need
A large swath of the fan base was behind Rosen. Murray got freaking boo'ed when drafted.

There was a lot to it and it seems easy and logical now but just how divided this board was should show what a risk it was.

A bunch of pre draft hype and noise. They hired KK as coach, and saw Murray as a massive upgrade over Rosen. Yeah, Bosa is and was awesome, but franchise QB's rule the league and make champions. Drafting Murray was the logical choice, and really the best chance of a bold move to save his job.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I believe my thread called "The Josh Rosen Problem" way before the draft shows that even when faced with overwhelming evidence, the decision was still vehemently fought against.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

https://www.arizonasportsfans.com/forum/threads/the-rosen-problem.300715/

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Hah that is an epic thread.

 

[DVontel]

I'm not going to spend a lot of time stumping for Rosen. I felt I saw some good throws and good moments, and that the entire team was a wreck.

But that doesn't make me believe in Kyler as the alternative. If we were talking about Haskins, I might be more prone to listen. Plus I see it this way...

If Rosen sucks this year, we'll be all but last again next year. Then we can draft Tua. If Kyler fails? We have no option but to continue to roll with him.

Lord.

I made some bad posts in thread too. Yeesh.

 

[Proximo]

Your posts pre-draft on Kyler do not reflect this level of certainty.

In fact, there are very few posts that I found at all and they reflect a view that you were fine with Rosen or Murray. And that he only needed to be considered.

Then there is this thread where only 11 of the 59 voters said they would prefer Murray. The main view at that time publicly and on this board was....... Go with Bosa or Williams.
https://www.arizonasportsfans.com/f...nals-to-draft-if-they-cant-trade-down.305274/



https://www.arizonasportsfans.com/forum/posts/3873466/


The only other quote I found pre-draft in a Kyler thread:

Nice job cherry picking posts of mine that were very early in the draft process. I took more time to study Kyler and Rosen and 100% knew we had to select Kyler. By the time the draft came close trust me I was all in for Kyler.

Here is a few examples I was all in for Murray before the draft

No, it is not because he is a running qb at all. I guess that is a bonus to escape pressure, but I don't want a bunch of designed plays for him to run, that is a great way to get him hurt.

What it is about is Rosen was not good last year, Murray was actually a better passer than Rosen in college, and he probably fits Kliffs offense better.

Not me. I want Murray because I have lost faith in Rosen.

But, if the raiders give us a bunch of picks I will get over it probably.

So what? There is a bigger chance Rosen fails then Murray, because he already had a crappy rookie year.

Fear of starting back at square one is irrational, that will happen again at some point. All the cards can do is try to get the a QB with the most upside and hope for the best.

Which of the 2 QB's is better right now? Murray

Which of the two has the higher upside? Murray - better passer in college, and way way more mobile

Which QB is more likely to more quickly outgrow the standard "dumb rookie" phase? I have no idea

If we draft Murray, is the projected upgrade in QB play worth more than the addition of a non-QB like Bosa or Q Williams? Yes - Historically if we can get a mid round 1st for Rosen we have a very good chance of still getting a very good player.

Obviously I overestimated Rosen's trade value, but I was all in for Murray no matter what we could get for Rosen.

 

[oaken1]

Lord.

I made some bad posts in thread too. Yeesh.

me too


but I still call him the magic midget

 

[Dr. Jones]

Nice job cherry picking posts of mine that were very early in the draft process. I took more time to study Kyler and Rosen and 100% knew we had to select Kyler. By the time the draft came close trust me I was all in for Kyler.

Here is a few examples I was all in for Murray before the draft









Obviously I overestimated Rosen's trade value, but I was all in for Murray no matter what we could get for Rosen.

Sorry I missed those posts.

 

[Solar7]

Lord.

I made some bad posts in thread too. Yeesh.

Meh. Not really a "I love Haskins" statement. I still stand by us being stuck in the Kyler Murray experiment, but I had no idea Tua would have a horrible injury.

 

[Stout]

Sounds about right.

 

[Chopper0080]

I hope Kyler Murray keeps proving me wrong every year.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

I need to see more from Murray before I’m sold on him. I think he’s getting way too much hype. Until he steps up in the pocket more and stops running himself into sacks he will never be a star.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Keim should definitely be in the lower third of GMs, so this seems about right. He has redeemed himself a bit since last season, but he still has way too many failures on his list.

 

[AZman5103]

I have really liked Keims last two drafts, but its too early to know if they are actually solid or not. We need Isabella to become a starting quality WR, and Zach Allen to become a rotational D-Lineman. I think Simmons is a long term starter, Jones at very least a starting OG, and Fotu and Lawrence at least rotational D-Lineman.

I would say if you can get 3 players out of each of the last 2 drafts that actually get second contracts with the team, we will have become a much better squad.