S&T Bledsoe/George

[High Stakes]

So I work in an office w an nba agent to remain nameless but reps several max guys around the league. He says the suns will get Bledsoe to take his offer but compared it to Rudy gay in Memphis when he took the Q offer then got maxed out year after. I asked him what he thought about a S&T between suns and pacers. Bledsoe for George and pick. Why not? Gives the suns a chance at their small forward superstar, take the year off, we can suck for a early round pick, and after next year , hope Paul George is back to his old self. Now this is a deal I would make as a suns fan. Thoughts?

 

[devilalum]

If the surgeons believe he will be fine the Pacers would never make this trade. If they are uncertain the Suns would never make this trade.

 

[devilalum]

Also I am unaware of any hurt player ever being traded like this. The Pacers would look REALLY bad if they traded George.

 

[elindholm]

Zero chance.

 

[Joe Mama]

Not to mention we are paying Paul George for an entire year where he isn't playing.

Joe

 

[desertdawg]

No bueno says Jay Leno.

 

[Cheesebeef]

i can't imagine a worse trade to make.

 

[sunsfan88]

i can't imagine a worse trade to make.

Eric Bledsoe sign and trade to Detroit for Josh Smith?

 

[95pro]

George and Hibbert for Bledsoe and filler (sarcasm).

 

[AzStevenCal]

Eric Bledsoe sign and trade to Detroit for Josh Smith?

You're funny. Do you know any good Knock, Knock jokes?

Steve

 

[StreetTruckinTitan]

Trade one bad wheel for another? No thanks

 

[82CardsGrad]

i can't imagine a worse trade to make.

Ditto...

 

[High Stakes]

I still do not see how this is a bad deal? Pacers need a point guard, suns are just year 2 into rebuilding and desperately need a star plus he's knees are insured unlike amare

 

[Mainstreet]

I think devilalum and Joe Mama said it best.

If the surgeons believe he will be fine the Pacers would never make this trade. If they are uncertain the Suns would never make this trade.

Not to mention we are paying Paul George for an entire year where he isn't playing.

Joe

However, I do think it is fun to kick these ideas around.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I still do not see how this is a bad deal? Pacers need a point guard, suns are just year 2 into rebuilding and desperately need a star plus he's knees are insured unlike amare

you're trading an impact PG for a guy who literally isn't going to play for another 18 months and might never be the player he was... and paying that player on a MAX deal. how you can see it as anything other then a terrible deal is beyond me.

the only team who makes a trade like that is the Sixers, who are actively trying to tank.

 

[sunsfan88]

You're funny. Do you know any good Knock, Knock jokes?

Steve

Only a couple.

 

[Phrazbit]

This trade wouldnt happen because the Suns wont tank the season and the Pacers obviously dont want to look like complete scum... however, I disagree about its horribleness.

I'd roll the dice on a broken bone, especially a long bone like that, easily over guys with torn up tendons, or broken bones in more complicated areas, like the feet or back.

I would lay heavy odds on George returning to full form down the road, I also think if the Pacers are in contention he will return this season... but NOT at full form. Bones are different, they heal, it does not sound like he shattered it, he had a clean break of his tibia and fibula. Its gross to watch and hurts like hell but his road to recovery is much simpler than blowing out a knee or tearing your achilles. Once the bones heal (2-3 months) its just a matter of getting his strength back, which given the atrophy that sets in from a few months if being immobile, will probably take another 2-3 months itself.

 

[AzStevenCal]

This trade wouldnt happen because the Suns wont tank the season and the Pacers obviously dont want to look like complete scum... however, I disagree about its horribleness.

I'd roll the dice on a broken bone, especially a long bone like that, easily over guys with torn up tendons, or broken bones in more complicated areas, like the feet or back.

I would lay heavy odds on George returning to full form down the road, I also think if the Pacers are in contention he will return this season... but NOT at full form. Bones are different, they heal, it does not sound like he shattered it, he had a clean break of his tibia and fibula. Its gross to watch and hurts like hell but his road to recovery is much simpler than blowing out a knee or tearing your achilles. Once the bones heal (2-3 months) its just a matter of getting his strength back, which given the atrophy that sets in from a few months if being immobile, will probably take another 2-3 months itself.

I worry about his toughness as a number one. That "I want Lebron to mentor me" comment had to scare the heck out of Larry and company. I wouldn't turn him away but I don't think he's ever going to be as good as he looked to be on the verge of in the 2013 postseason.

Steve

 

[elindholm]

The trade would be fine for Phoenix. It's the Pacers who wouldn't consider it.

 

[SirStefan32]

The trade would be fine for Phoenix. It's the Pacers who wouldn't consider it.

Initially, I agreed (From the Suns' perspective, they get rid of Bledsoe, and get a real star in return. Granted, he isn't gonna play this year, and there's no way to know he'll be the same player again), but I just took a look at his contract, and it is really ugly. Five years left with almost $16M this season and over $20M (player option) in 2018/2019.

I do still agree that the Pacers wouldn't do it.

 

[elindholm]

I just took a look at his contract, and it is really ugly. Five years left with almost $16M this season and over $20M (player option) in 2018/2019.

He's a top-ten player if he comes back strong, and that's what you have to pay to get a top-ten player. Even if he comes back at only 85%, it's really not that bad.

 

[SirStefan32]

He's a top-ten player if he comes back strong, and that's what you have to pay to get a top-ten player. Even if he comes back at only 85%, it's really not that bad.

I don't necessarily disagree. I'd rather have George at 85% and $20M per season than I would Bledsoe at 100% ay $15M per season, but that injury was scary. I realize it probably looked worse than it was (just the bone, no ligament damage, etc) but I am still not sold he will be back even at 85%.

 

[elindholm]

I don't necessarily disagree. I'd rather have George at 85% and $20M per season than I would Bledsoe at 100% ay $15M per season, but that injury was scary. I realize it probably looked worse than it was (just the bone, no ligament damage, etc) but I am still not sold he will be back even at 85%.

I agree it's a risk, but it's a risk that a team serious about winning has to take. Remember, this current version of the Pacers rose to prominence while Granger was making George-type money to sit on the bench. One deadweight contract doesn't kill you. If that's the biggest thing to fear, you go for it.

 

[SirStefan32]

I agree it's a risk, but it's a risk that a team serious about winning has to take. Remember, this current version of the Pacers rose to prominence while Granger was making George-type money to sit on the bench. One deadweight contract doesn't kill you. If that's the biggest thing to fear, you go for it.

Fair enough. I am sold. Now, let's go and sell the Pacers on this too.

 

[Errntknght]

The trade wouldn't be fine with me... George simply doesn't shoot well enough to take such a big risk that he'll return at anything below his best and pay a premium salary.

To be a top team your team's offensive efficiency has to be among the top few teams and he's a significant drag on his team in that regard because of below average shooting percentage - career offensive efficiency is 10% below average for SF's and its not rising. A super defensive team can tolerate a lower off. eff. of course but his presence isn't going to move us up into that category. I'd probably have serious doubts about the trade if he was healthy.