Salary cap may be lower then expected.

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Dont post to often on the Suns baord but I do lurk around.

Dont know if this has been mentioned yet but here it is, and what ramifications does this have for us.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&id=1839094

Tuesday, July 13, 2004

By Chad Ford
ESPN Insider


The NBA salary cap is about to rear its ugly head again ... will it keep the Clips from signing Kobe Bryant?

A league source told Insider this afternoon that the preliminary salary cap number for the 2004-05 season will be approximately $43.9 million. Official numbers won't be released to NBA teams until later this evening, but the source claims that the numbers, if they change at all, will only change slightly.

The 43.9 million figure is a little more than one million lower than what most teams were projecting and as low as two million below what several teams, including the Suns and Clippers, had anticipated.

The lower cap number, up just $100,000 from last season's cap, could deal a debilitating blow to the Clippers, who needed to get $14.175 million under the cap to sign Bryant to a max contract.

As it stands now, the Clippers have $11.272 million in cap room. That means that the most the Clippers can offer Kobe is a six-year, $84.4 million contract. The Lakers, on the other hand, can offer Bryant a seven-year contract worth $136.4 million.

The Clippers do have options however. They could attempt to trade a player or two to a team with cap space in an effort to get further under the cap. If the team traded Melvin Ely ($1.75 milion) and Chris Wilcox ($2.2 million) to teams with space, they could get far enough under the cap to sign Bryant to a six-year, $106.3 million deal -- the most any other team can sign him too.

While that's a lot to give up, you can be the Clippers will do it in a heartbeat to land Kobe. Still, even the maximum the Clippers can pay Kobe is $30 million less than what he can make from the Lakers.

The league has spent the past two weeks crunching numbers to determine what the cap should be next year. Today, the league sent the numbers to NBA Players Association for approval. Once they sign off on the numbers (the league was still making a few tweaks at 3:00 p.m. ET) they will become official. Teams having been waiting for two weeks to officially sign free agents while they waited for the league to come up with official numbers.

Among the other numbers that will impact the free agent process?

The mid-level exception is expected to come in at $4.95 million. Teams over the salary cap are given an extra $4.95 million to use to sign free agents. They can use it to sign one or multiple players.

A six-year contract for the full mid-level will be worth $37.125 million for teams signing another team's free agent. For team's resigning their own free agent, the full mid-level will be worth $38.9 million.

The source also claims that the luxury tax threshold will likely be approximately $55 million this year. Again, the figure is around a million dollars lower than what teams had anticipated. Teams that had a payroll in 2003-04 over $55 million will have to pay the league a dollar for dollar tax on every penny spent over the threshold.

If the $55 million figure holds true, nine teams will be tax payers this year. Who are they? The Knicks will have the highest tax bill, an estimated $32.2 million. The Mavericks ($25.8 million), Blazers ($25.3 million) and Timberwolves ($16.4 million) also have enormous tax bills. The Pacers ($2 million), Lakers ($7.3 million), Nets ($6.3 million), Sixers ($4.3 million) and Kings ($8.5 million) were the other taxpayers.

The news of a lower-than-expected cap doesn't really please anyone. It means that the league pulled in fewer revenues than they had predicted. It also means that players won't be able to earn as much in their free-agent contracts.

The only winner may be David Stern, who will use the low revenues to argue that fundamental changes need to be made to the new collective bargaining agreement that the league and players association are negotiating.

Chad Ford covers the NBA for ESPN Insider.
 

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Quentin Richardson is going to be cheaper than we thought, is my guess. His contract was supposed to be for $40-48m, right? So now it's a lot closer to $40m than to $48m.


And what that means is that the Clippers will have a much easier decision on whether or not to match the offer... :shrug:
 

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If it's $43.9 million, that gives the Suns about $15.1 million to work with (figuring in a minimum-salary cap hold for the 11th roster spot, per the CBA). The two most commonly guessed numbers for Nash's starting salary are $8.8 million and $10.0 million, but I don't think anyone (outside of the obvious few) knows for sure. So that leaves the Suns with either $5.1 million or $6.3 million at which to start Richardson.

That's a pretty big difference. The Clippers will probably match either way, but obviously they're more likely to match the lower figure. Of course, the Suns have already picked a figure for the offer sheet Richardson has reportedly agreed to, and presumably they picked a number they knew they'd be permitted to pay!

The worse news, as far as I'm concerned, is that the Suns may have only MLE money left, nothing more -- which pretty much kills the Dampier fantasy, since he can go wherever he wants if he's willing to take the MLE.

Let's hope the lower guess for Nash's contract is correct!
 

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The Clippers do have options however. They could attempt to trade a player or two to a team with cap space in an effort to get further under the cap. If the team traded Melvin Ely ($1.75 milion) and Chris Wilcox ($2.2 million) to teams with space, they could get far enough under the cap to sign Bryant to a six-year, $106.3 million deal -- the most any other team can sign him too.
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If a team like Atlanta could do this deal or anyone else, they would be getting two good players.
I think Wilcox has a chance some day to be an all-star, and Ely has always played hard when he is in a game. He is a little undersized for a center today, but can still play center pretty good.

That is why having some cap space available is always a great thing.

However, the Clips are not going to sign Kobe so this will not happen.
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We discussed this a couple of months ago. If anything, I was afraid it might have ended up even lower and be reduced to $43 million even.

How does this effect the Suns? It certainly pushes Kobe even more into the hands of the Lakers and may reduce the amount that the Suns could offer Q -- making it almost certain that the Clippers match.

Assuming the HoopsHype numbers are correct, the Suns have about $28.3 million prior prior to Nash (but counting Vroman).

43.9
29.3
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14.6

Assuming Nash starts at $9.5, it meant that the Suns offered Q a deal that would be JUST over the MLE. Even a few hundred thousand less on Nash's first year impact would make a big difference on what is left. In any case, the amount is not going to be close to the $48 million being discussed. Here is a quick sensitivity analysis:

Starting:
4.9-------5----5.2----5.4----5.6----5.8-----6-----6.2
Total
37.8---38.6---40.1---41.7---43.2---44.8---46.3---47.8
 

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Yeh, but did you have a sensitivity chart?

Otherwise known as two rows of numbers, where the entries in the second row are all 7.7 times as large as those in the first? No, I guess I didn't.

Perhaps you should have called it the Sensitivity Manifesto. ;)
 

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elindholm said:
Yeh, but did you have a sensitivity chart?

Otherwise known as two rows of numbers, where the entries in the second row are all 7.7 times as large as those in the first? No, I guess I didn't.

Perhaps you should have called it the Sensitivity Manifesto. ;)

Well, we certainly do need more sensitivity around here. :D
 

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slin, I don't be to rub this in and stick it to you, but...

I TOLD YOU SO! :)

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Nash contract

If it's true that the Richardson offer starts at $6 million (see other thread), then Nash can't start any higher than $9.1 million, since the Suns had only $15.1 million under the cap to work with.

So maybe the $8.8 million figure is correct? I also wonder about the rumors that Nash agreed to modify his deal slightly.
 

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elindholm said:
If it's true that the Richardson offer starts at $6 million (see other thread), then Nash can't start any higher than $9.1 million, since the Suns had only $15.1 million under the cap to work with.

So maybe the $8.8 million figure is correct? I also wonder about the rumors that Nash agreed to modify his deal slightly.

Nash did agree to modify his deal to a lower figure. It was in today's local paper. BC said it with Nash next to him who just smiled.

Nash came here to win.
 

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Nash's contract started at 8.8M$-9.5M$ most likely. But who cares? Q-Rich's contract isn't affected at all by this, he already signed his offer sheet. If anything Nash took less to get Q on board as well.
 

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Nash's contract started at 8.8M$-9.5M$ most likely. But who cares? Q-Rich's contract isn't affected at all by this, he already signed his offer sheet.

So you have no interest in what Nash's salary is? It seems like it could be relevant down the road. Also, it would be nice to know how much the Suns had to overpay to get him.
 

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