Sando analyzes Our first 4 offensive plays

[BigRedRage]

Basically says Snyder got dominated every play and is a main factor in why kolb was so bad

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/71071/tough-to-fault-kevin-kolb-on-this-play

 

[Pariah]

I don't doubt he didn't get the help he needed from the line, but twinkletoes needs to handle it better.

I hear the cartoon sound effect of plucking violin strings every time he drops back to pass.

 

[SeattleCard]

Yikes.... I *really* hope that Snyder gets better, quick.

 

[BigRedRage]

I don't doubt he didn't get the help he needed from the line, but twinkletoes needs to handle it better.

I hear the cartoon sound effect of plucking violin strings every time he drops back to pass.

No doubt, the only thing I found interesting was the beating Snyder took on those 4 plays. Its on Kolb but the culprit that made it more difficult is the guy everyone said HUH?!?!?! when we signed him.

 

[Duckjake]

No doubt, the only thing I found interesting was the beating Snyder took on those 4 plays. Its on Kolb but the culprit that made it more difficult is the guy everyone said HUH?!?!?! when we signed him.

Which raises more questions about the coaching staff's ability to identify and coach offensive linemen. The offensive line is so bad that a guy some people were down on last season, and was branded the worst lineman on the Green Bay line, is now considered the best guy on the Cardinals line, Colledge.

Reggie Wells, Alan Faneca, Daryn Colledge, Deuce Lutui, Rex Hadnot, and Adam Snyder in just 6 seasons!

We had a guy who started 63 consecutive games at Guard, plus all the playoff games and suddenly he's too fat to start over Rex Hadnot who was so bad they brought in the horrible Adam Snyder to replace him. WTH is going on out at Warner and Hardy?

 

[Russ Smith]

I agree wtih the premise Snyder was bad but it was Jordan not Smith who beat Snyder on that last play. Smith came from the other side of the field and beat Levi who sort of released him to Hyphen to block which is why Hyphen couldn't help inside on Jordan and that's why Kolb flushed to his right. well that and he always flushes to his right of course.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Not sure if you guys read this but it didn't really say that.

•Pass play No. 1: Saints defensive tackle Sedrick Ellis beat Snyder quickly and was bearing down on Kolb while the quarterback attempted a pass to the left side. Kolb did not appear to see cornerback Malcolm Jenkins, who picked off the pass. Pressure did not appear to be a primary factor on the play.

•Pass play No. 2: The protection appeared solid here. Kolb looked right and threw for Andre Roberts' back shoulder. Quarterback and receiver did not appear in tune on this play. It was tough to assign blame to one over the other. NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock thought Roberts needed to show greater awareness.

3rd play Snyder affected the play

•Pass play No. 3: This was a third-and-12 play, a tough situation for offensive linemen. Defensive end Cameron Jordan used a violent club move to rock Snyder off balance. Snyder's feet crossed over as he moved backward. Jordan, with a clear path toward Kolb, forced the quarterback from the pocket. Kolb got rid of the ball.

This 4th play analysis is almost exactly what I said, except leaving out that Kolb ran backwards 14 yards.

•Pass play No. 4: The Saints rushed six, but only two of the rushers were aligned against the right side of the offense. That left Snyder and right tackle Jeremy Bridges in one-on-one situations. Bridges blocked defensive end Will Smith. Ellis beat Snyder initially, then trailed Smith around the outside. Snyder couldn't recover in time to factor on the play, especially with Smith blocking his path. Fullback Anthony Sherman released into a pass pattern. Halfback LaRod Stephens-Howling picked up the blitz on the other side of the formation. Kolb had to move, and he did. Kolb threw accurately against intense pressure, completing the pass to Sherman. Ellis hit Kolb and landed on him, knocking Kolb from the game.

Ellis stunted behind Smith which blocks Snyder from the play. This would be pointless except Kolb did exactly what the defense predicted...ran right.

So the book is going to be on Kolb...pressure left and release your D Linemen to the right and hit him outside of the pocket. Since he isn't going to throw across his body, you can roll your coverage right too.

This will not work if he doesn't run but simply stands in the pocket or slides slightly right to buy an extra second. This is what Skelton does. He doesn't run backwards. He moves laterally.

 

[BigRedRage]

Not sure if you guys read this but it didn't really say that.






3rd play Snyder affected the play



This 4th play analysis is almost exactly what I said, except leaving out that Kolb ran backwards 14 yards.



Ellis stunted behind Smith which blocks Snyder from the play. This would be pointless except Kolb did exactly what the defense predicted...ran right.

So the book is going to be on Kolb...pressure left and release your D Linemen to the right and hit him outside of the pocket. Since he isn't going to throw across his body, you can roll your coverage right too.

This will not work if he doesn't run but simply stands in the pocket or slides slightly right to buy an extra second. This is what Skelton does. He doesn't run backwards. He moves laterally.

What I read is that it was on kolb, im just pointing out how often snyder got annihilated within 4 plays.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Any way you cut it, Snyder is as bad as history has shown him to be in pass blocking. He was one of the very few (1 or 2 players) in the NFL who was worse than Levi Brown, and one of the other 2 players was Brandon Keith.

 

[Catfish]

Which raises more questions about the coaching staff's ability to identify and coach offensive linemen. The offensive line is so bad that a guy some people were down on last season, and was branded the worst lineman on the Green Bay line, is now considered the best guy on the Cardinals line, Colledge.

Reggie Wells, Alan Faneca, Daryn Colledge, Deuce Lutui, Rex Hadnot, and Adam Snyder in just 6 seasons!

We had a guy who started 63 consecutive games at Guard, plus all the playoff games and suddenly he's too fat to start over Rex Hadnot who was so bad they brought in the horrible Adam Snyder to replace him. WTH is going on out at Warner and Hardy?

Jake, I agree with you. I said in Mitch's most recent post, that Whiz's personal handling of players has been almost caustic. He can't seem to get out of his own way, and ends up destroying relationships and player's willingness to play in his schemes.

We saw the same thing on defense, until Horton came in and studied the defensive players, then put them into a scheme that plays to their talents, (not to their weaknesses). Whiz no longer seems to have much say in our defense, (because it is not needed). We no longer start people who are over the hill instead of players who can actually contribute. We no longer put defensive players into position where they can only fail, then belittle them publicly, destroying confidence.

We still do that on the offense though. And it is abundantly clear that Whiz is still as involved personally in the running of the offense, (both in player selection, and scheme). The result is still a dis-jointed and more or less unworkable combination of players with one skill set, and a scheme that requires a different one.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Which raises more questions about the coaching staff's ability to identify and coach offensive linemen. The offensive line is so bad that a guy some people were down on last season, and was branded the worst lineman on the Green Bay line, is now considered the best guy on the Cardinals line, Colledge.

Reggie Wells, Alan Faneca, Daryn Colledge, Deuce Lutui, Rex Hadnot, and Adam Snyder in just 6 seasons!

We had a guy who started 63 consecutive games at Guard, plus all the playoff games and suddenly he's too fat to start over Rex Hadnot who was so bad they brought in the horrible Adam Snyder to replace him. WTH is going on out at Warner and Hardy?

Yep, the best part about it is how much they crowed about how Snyder was their #1 target, while everyone else laughed at the signing, and looks at him as at best a backup.

I'd love for Snyder to be the answer, but with our track record RE: OL of late, I'm less than assured. Getting rid of Deuce was just stupid.

 

[PJ1]

Deuce may have been a tub of lard but he could play. Better than those who we have tried to replace him with.

 

[Goldfield]

I have given them the benifit of the doubt with Snyder. But he got beat badly sofar. Hope he improves Friday.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

What I read is that it was on kolb, im just pointing out how often snyder got annihilated within 4 plays.

But he was only beaten on 2 out 4 plays and then he was fine the rest of the night.

 

[Mitch]

But he was only beaten on 2 out 4 plays and then he was fine the rest of the night.

That's what I saw too---but Chris, I also saw that the line switches weren't being called or executed on loop stunts, tex stunts and blitzes practically the whole night. That was Bobbie Massie's issue as well, as he needed help on the loop stunts.

 

[Duckjake]

That's what I saw too---but Chris, I also saw that the line switches weren't being called or executed on loop stunts, tex stunts and blitzes practically the whole night. That was Bobbie Massie's issue as well, as he needed help on the loop stunts.

Was watching the Ravens game from last year the other night and they just killed us on loop stunts.

 

[DieHardCardFan]

WTH is going on out at Warner and Hardy?

I am pretty sure Russ Grimm is rocking out to some Springstein while throwing down chili dogs most of the time. The line has been one project that for all the hype around Grimm you would think would get fixed. I think he doesnt have a clue.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

That's what I saw too---but Chris, I also saw that the line switches weren't being called or executed on loop stunts, tex stunts and blitzes practically the whole night. That was Bobbie Massie's issue as well, as he needed help on the loop stunts.

I highly doubt our oline was prepared for this level of game management by New Orleans. New Orleans played this game to win, using multiple blitz formations, keeping their second string QB in til the 4th quarter, leaving their starting defense in for almost the entire half.

They wanted to make a statement to give their fans hope. I remember preseason games like that.

Whiz couldn't give two craps about pre season.

 

[Buckybird]

Was watching the Ravens game from last year the other night and they just killed us on loop stunts.

I really believe the main job for our OTs on pass plays to ride the edge rusher wide & up the field & not worry about anything else, especially inside. I've seen it over & over and the only explanation I have for their ineptitude pass blocking other than sucking.

 

[JeffGollin]

Ellis stunted behind Smith which blocks Snyder from the play. This would be pointless except Kolb did exactly what the defense predicted...ran right..

Miscalculation by Kolb was that he could outrun Ellis (or at least move fast enough not to get nailed).

Lesson to be learned: "Kevin, you're not Bolt. Move outside the pocket with discretion, know when to hold or fold and live to throw another day."

"You're not going earrn the starting spot taking up residence in the Whirlpool."

 

[WisconsinCard]

Miscalculation by Kolb was that he could outrun Ellis (or at least move fast enough not to get nailed).

Lesson to be learned: "Kevin, you're not Bolt. Move outside the pocket with discretion, know when to hold or fold and live to throw another day."

"You're not going earrn the starting spot taking up residence in the Whirlpool."

I said the same thing last year. I said he watched too much of Michael Vick and thinks he can run too.