Sando Does a Great Breakdown on Q's Deal

[Reddog]

Nothing new to us but basically says he should have waited and not renegotiated early.


http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfcwest/0-9-98/Mailbag--Boldin-probably-should-have-waited.html

 

[Skkorpion]

Thanks. Shane will be along shortly with a rebuttal.

 

[az1965]

Is it me or the numbers Sando is showing verifies that it was good for him to renegotiate early??? 8.8 mil if played out with 5th year being franchise tag vs. 17 mil with early renegotiation...

 

[jf-08]

Am I reading it wrong, or doesn't it state that by renegotiating when he did, he made about $8 M more ($17M - $8.8M) than if he just waited out his contract and got franchised?

 

[az1965]

Am I reading it wrong, or doesn't it state that by renegotiating when he did, he made about $8 M more ($17M - $8.8M) than if he just waited out his contract and got franchised?

HA! So I'm not crazy...

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Thanks. Shane will be along shortly with a rebuttal.

I doubt it.

There is nothing to discuss. There should be no questioning that Anquan Boldin and his agent have done a horrible job at negotiating contracts with the Cardinals.

Anquan Boldin is 29 and is stuck with the contract that he negotiated off of his rookie deal. His agent agreed to it, and Boldin signed it. If they wanted to get back to the table sooner, then Boldin should have negotiated a smaller length contract, and Boldin wanted more money he should have negotiated for more money.

Boldin, knowing he has only one more big payday in line for himself, is in a bad place, and is doing everything he can to get his bigger than life, once in a lifetime contract.

The only disgreements I ever see is this witch hunt about how Boldin is this horrible person, who is a cancer to the team, and kills babies while we sleep. And all the skewed facts that are being brought along for the ride with the witch hunt.

Business is business. Boldin is between a rock and hard place, and will do anything to try and get out from that spot. All his childish antics, agent tricks, and ridiculous behavior are all in the hopes he can some how, and some way get more money as soon as possible.

By the way Darnell Dockett, is in the same exact position as Anquan Boldin. Both the players and Rosenhaus screwed up ROYALLY in this situation. Rosenhaus was so sure he could get another contract out of the Cardinals that he told Boldin, and Dockett to re-sign a long term deal that was WAY too long.

And it has happened before for guys that are Rosenhaus cleints. Just look at Chad Johnson in Cincy, or Lito Shepard in Philly.

 

[jefftheshark]

I doubt it.

There is nothing to discuss. There should be no questioning that Anquan Boldin and his agent have done a horrible job at negotiating contracts with the Cardinals.

Anquan Boldin is 29 and is stuck with the contract that he negotiated off of his rookie deal. His agent agreed to it, and Boldin signed it. If they wanted to get back to the table sooner, then Boldin should have negotiated a smaller length contract, and Boldin wanted more money he should have negotiated for more money.

Boldin, knowing he has only one more big payday in line for himself, is in a bad place, and is doing everything he can to get his bigger than life, once in a lifetime contract.

The only disgreements I ever see is this witch hunt about how Boldin is this horrible person, who is a cancer to the team, and kills babies while we sleep. And all the skewed facts that are being brought along for the ride with the witch hunt.

Business is business. Boldin is between a rock and hard place, and will do anything to try and get out from that spot. All his childish antics, agent tricks, and ridiculous behavior are all in the hopes he can some how, and some way get more money as soon as possible.

To be fair, I believe that Boldin has stopped killing babies.

JTS

 

[Reddog]

Am I reading it wrong, or doesn't it state that by renegotiating when he did, he made about $8 M more ($17M - $8.8M) than if he just waited out his contract and got franchised?

It was good for him at the time but then he decided it wasn't good when he decided he wanted to renegotiate again. It really reinforces the Cards as making a wise decision and by sticking to the contract at least through this year they continue to make a sound biz decision. If he had a career ending injury the year after the contract was signed we would be the Goats. Can't have it both ways Q.

 

[Mitch]

What Rosenhaus failed to do was look into the future well enough so that if Q outplayed the contract he would be earning lucrative bonuses for Pro Bowls, playoffs, and Super Bowls. At the time I am reasonably sure the Cardinals woud have included such bonuses, especially for the latter years of the contract.

As Sando attests the Cardinals did Q right by ripping up his first contract after two years, when they could have allowed him to play the 4 year contract out and then f-tag him in the 5th and 6th years if necessary.

The winner in that context clearly is Boldin.

 

[denverbirdfan]

It was good for him at the time but then he decided it wasn't good when he decided he wanted to renegotiate again. It really reinforces the Cards as making a wise decision and by sticking to the contract at least through this year they continue to make a sound biz decision. If he had a career ending injury the year after the contract was signed we would be the Goats. Can't have it both ways Q.

Actually, I'm fairly certain that had Q been injured severely one year after the contract was signed, the Cardinals would have paid him via an "injury settlement" and cut him. I'm also fairly certain that with the amount of money and power a NFL franchise has vs. an injured (and recently cut) player, that these "injury settlements" are for much less than the original contracted salary amount.

Lesson being: don't get hurt.

Also, don't get hury in a "non-football" injury. Of course, don't break your hand answering the phone is a good piece of advice. However, don't get hit by an uninsured drunk driver as well. If that happens, the Cardinals then go after (I assume) much much more.

Just my $0.02.

 

[Reddog]

Actually, I'm fairly certain that had Q been injured severely one year after the contract was signed, the Cardinals would have paid him via an "injury settlement" and cut him.

You are right but having just doled out a $10M bonus plus whatever the settlement would have put the Cards in a position where they never received the value of that deal had he been injured early on. That bonus was his regardless of potential injury.

 

[40yearfan]

All of these contingencies are taking into account when these negotiations are on-going. That's why some of these contract negotiations take so long. They try to cover all the bases from every angle.

Apparently Rosenhaus isn't as good as Fitz's agent who insisted on all the bells and whistles for Fitz's rookie contract. That forced the Cards into renogotiating with him while he was in the drivers seat.

If I was Boldin, I'd fire Rosenhaus and hire Fitz's agent.

Regardless, I would like to see this issue resolved with everyone walking away feeling good about the deal. I like Boldin and want him on this team.

 

[Saxon079]

"Boldin's four-year rookie deal was worth about $2.6 million"

Sorry to go of topic but what hit me was the deference the players get depending on where they were drafted. IMO they need to spread the money out a lot better than they do.

 

[NuttinButTDs]

As Sando attests the Cardinals did Q right by ripping up his first contract after two years, when they could have allowed him to play the 4 year contract out and then f-tag him in the 5th and 6th years if necessary.

I disagree. Almost all teams re-do contracts in the final year. Cardinals set the precedent of re-upping contracts with 2 years left and now everyone will be asking for it, like Dockett. If Boldin and Cards would have waited for one year, Boldin would have got paid higher and we might have 3 years left in his contract.

 

[splitsecond]

Rosenhaus certainly bet wrong on the culture change in AZ when he convinced Q and Dockett to sign their contracts. He really flubbed with these two, and I have no idea why neither one of them has fired him as of yet.

 

[CardinalChris]

A Couple comments........

1) AZ didn't set a precedent by redoing Boldin's deal. I have yet to see a player on the team ask after 2 years of their rookie deal to ask for a raise. Dockett's situation is COMPLETELY different than a grossly underpaid rookie contract.

2) They haven't fired Drew because he both got them paid up front and 2 years early (Boldin) and above the players past performance (Dockett - his performance since has been wonderful, but I remember scratching my head when it was signed and thought he better play up to it).

3) Sando's breakdown tells me that Q is actually ahead of the pace if he just played out his deal and renegotiated after 4 years.

 

[Duckjake]

Actually, I'm fairly certain that had Q been injured severely one year after the contract was signed, the Cardinals would have paid him via an "injury settlement" and cut him. I'm also fairly certain that with the amount of money and power a NFL franchise has vs. an injured (and recently cut) player, that these "injury settlements" are for much less than the original contracted salary amount.

Lesson being: don't get hurt.

Also, don't get hury in a "non-football" injury. Of course, don't break your hand answering the phone is a good piece of advice. However, don't get hit by an uninsured drunk driver as well. If that happens, the Cardinals then go after (I assume) much much more.

Just my $0.02.

This post made me wonder just how many top Cardinal players have had career ending injuries. Over the last 25 years the Cards have had Andre Wadsworth and Eric Swann see their careers end because of knee problems. Those were over 10 years ago. Have there been any others? Levar Fisher? But I never thought he was any good anyway.

There sure has been a lot of career ending lack of performance but not that many via injury that I can remember. Seems like the odds are really slim that it will happen.