Shawn vs Amare

[silverstyne]

This Suns reincarnation will forever be engraved as one of the best in the history of the franchise. The team, personified by co-captains Steve Nash and Shawn Marion, showed heart, determination and tenacity to soldier on despite impossible odds. I couldn't find better sports heroes to idolize.

With that said, the Suns future is bright. Too bright for my liking as they have so many options to choose from. This off-season will set the direction of this franchise for years to come, so it is crucial to say the least. I am afraid however that this team will be overhauled again - with some of the starting 5 traded away.

In my opinion, these players will be/should be untouchable or untradeable:
STEVE NASH
RAJA BELL
BORIS DIAW

We all know that the Suns would be capped out in the next few seasons thus setting up the stage to trade our core once again. I believe the first person who will be shipped out will be Kurt Thomas. He has been invaluable in the regular season, but we have shown that we can without him. Hypothetically, if Sarver still does not find that enough, who would you trade away among our two max contract players: Shawn or Amare?

Last season, I would have said Marion in a heartbeat, but as the post season goes, I recognize the value of the Matrix to this team. He is in fact a perfect fit to D'Antoni's system in that he can do well in both fastbreak and jumpshots. He is one of our best defender too. Well, it is true that he may not be able to set his own shot (same with Barbosa), but our offensive system is never predicated on the scoring of a single individual. If you've seen this team, you would know that its the open man who gets to shoot the ball (nd of course Steve Nash who also acts as coach )

As hard as it may seem, I may have to move Amare in my lineup and think hard on who I can get in return. Your thoughts?

 

[Gaddabout]

I have to disagree. The only player that is untradeable is Steve Nash. Post-injury, I would listen to Amare offers, but they would have to be impossibly good offers. Everyone else is available if I think I can make the team stronger for a championship run right now.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

We have shown we can win without Kurt? Aren't we like 19-18 without him if you don't count last night's appearance as a total absence (20-18 if you count last night's win)?

Kurt is invaluable to our defense and he was a personal request of Amare's. Other than those 2 factors, I would trade him as quick as anyone else, but we gotta give him and Amare some time together....

 

[playstation]

I have to disagree. The only player that is untradeable is Steve Nash. Post-injury, I would listen to Amare offers, but they would have to be impossibly good offers. Everyone else is available if I think I can make the team stronger for a championship run right now.

nobody is untradeable. nash for bron? done and done.

 

[TucsonDevil]

nobody is untradeable. nash for bron? done and done.

Outside of LeBron, I wouldn't trade Nash for anyone else right now... Not Wade, Not Kobe, and Not anyone.

I would think that Amare is still untradeable, to answer your question.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Ok, just for fun, I'll bite on the idea of this thread.

Amare and KT for Bosh and the #1 pick.

 

[SirStefan32]

Are you guys kidding? Trading Amare?

 

[Nasser22]

I wouldn't trade Nash or Diaw right now. Probably not Amare either unless, like Gaddabout said, it's an impossibly good offer. Everyone else can be traded though I think it would be smart to keep this team around. Maybe try to trade Barbosa with someone or with a pick to get a good back-up point guard.

 

[seesred]

I wouldn't trade Steve, Amare, Raja or Diaw .

IMO Diaw is an up and coming NBA all star.
If Amare is healthy there may be nobody better than him..even Lebron
As for Raja a very huge heart and on court mean streak

Stve can take us there for three years or more.

Then the next level includes Kurt but hopefully not Tim. Jones can be had although he has a big upside.

The most interesting trade could include a guy like Barbosa but he is still a kid and has a huge upside.

The next level makes no difference go or stay no impact here.

GBR
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[Mainstreet]

Ok, just for fun, I'll bite on the idea of this thread.

Amare and KT for Bosh and the #1 pick.

Sorry Amare fans, this would be a no brainer for me. I'd do it but I don't think Toronto would as Bosh is their Amare/ franchise player (and he is not hurt). So that would make it essentially KT for the #1 pick.

Wrap it up.

Seriously Amare probably does not have much trade value until he proves he's healthy and wants to play again... and he has that max contract. If Amare returns to form, I would still consider trading him for the right players due to the questions about his knees.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Ok, just for fun, I'll bite on the idea of this thread.

Amare and KT for Bosh and the #1 pick.

One word for you.

CBA! This trade is not anywhere near possible under the current CBA.

 

[frdbtr]

I have to disagree. The only player that is untradeable is Steve Nash. Post-injury, I would listen to Amare offers, but they would have to be impossibly good offers. Everyone else is available if I think I can make the team stronger for a championship run right now.

I wonder how many championships the bulls would have won if they had traded Jordan away the year after he hurt his knee. Amare is the Suns' Jordan and frankly any talk of trading him is crazy. This guy is going to be the best player to ever suit up in a suns uniform knee surgery notwithstanding.

 

[Mainstreet]

I wonder how many championships the bulls would have won if they had traded Jordan away the year after he hurt his knee. Amare is the Suns' Jordan and frankly any talk of trading him is crazy. This guy is going to be the best player to ever suit up in a suns uniform knee surgery notwithstanding.

Guarantee it and I'll keep him.

Seriously, I don't remember much about Jordan's knee injury. However, did Jordan have two knee surgeries in one year including microfracture?

 

[slinslin]

Bosh isn't even close to Amare and never will be, no way.

 

[Gaddabout]

Bosh isn't even close to Amare and never will be, no way.

No kidding. It's like comparing Marion to Elton Brand.

 

[RedStorm]

We have shown we can win without Kurt? Aren't we like 19-18 without him if you don't count last night's appearance as a total absence (20-18 if you count last night's win)?

Kurt is invaluable to our defense and he was a personal request of Amare's. Other than those 2 factors, I would trade him as quick as anyone else, but we gotta give him and Amare some time together....

I agree with you SOH.... We have no interior defense (or very little if any). We need some big guys and as much as I like Marion, he is not big enough to play defense inside.

Imagine what it would look like to have both KT and Amare playing in the middle. I doubt the opposing team would get any offensive rebounds.

IMO, we are lucky to get this far without KT and Amare. I am pulling for the Suns all the way but you have to admit we have had some luck. We earned it but luck none the less. (and until the Suns win a championship with small ball, I will be convinced that we will need a big man in the paint).

 

[gdiddy]

Please don't even talk about trading Nash for LeBron James. I know it sounds foolish to begin with, but the last thing I want to see is a ball-hogging, personal stats-driven superstar join the Suns lineup.

LeBrons style does NOT mesh with the Suns offense.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

Please don't even talk about trading Nash for LeBron James. I know it sounds foolish to begin with, but the last thing I want to see is a ball-hogging, personal stats-driven superstar join the Suns lineup.

LeBrons style does NOT mesh with the Suns offense.

Have you never seen him play?

 

[jandaman]

Marion is a heck of lot better rebounder than Amare. So how is it that people always say Amare and Kurt...

When Marion and Kurt would be a better reounding tandem.

 

[slinslin]

Marion is a heck of lot better rebounder than Amare. So how is it that people always say Amare and Kurt...

When Marion and Kurt would be a better reounding tandem.

No they wouldn't. Marion is undersized, has no strength and can't box out to save his life. He is getting the rebounds because of his quickness and jumping ability and just because of that.

 

[Nasser22]

But he is, and always has been a better rebounder and defender....who cares how he gets them if he does get them?

 

[az1965]

This is a stupid thread.

 

[cly2tw]

I never would have thought that we have so many myopic fans on this board. Geez!

Amare still haven't learned all the tricks yet but was already the best off. bigman last season. With his injury, he might be a risk and he might not be able to become the best NBA player all time he set the goal to. But this much disrespect?

Nobody is indispensible. For the short run, the number one untouchable on the Suns is Nash. But that is only for the next two years probably and because of the uncertainty of Amare's form after the surgeries. For the long run, Amare is still the franchise and Diaw comes a distant second.

Marion is a good compliment to the core of big 3 above but trading him for other assets can easily improve the team's chance in futrue playoffs even better.

I also would trade away LB. His offense has been maturing throughout the playoffs from game to game now he got extended minutes to experience all different ways of how the best defense would attempt to slow him down. His on-court awareness has improved tremendously also. His main problem is still his defense. But seeing how Marion finally learned how not to jump on every pump fakes he used to, it's not impossible for LB to improve on his footwork and on-court positioning and judgment on defense. It's likely we will be able to sign him for below-Bell money this off season. So, keep him.

JJ showed grit on defense. He was known for good 3pt shooting already. For whatever reason his shots have gone this playoffs, he is still the perfect bench player for the suns: They must be able to play both good man and scramble defense, in addition to be able to knock down open 3s and midrange jumpers.

 

[Treesquid PhD]

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This is a stupid thread.

I agree this is an incredibly short sighted post and for those who even kind of support it are just as short sighted.

It's these same losers who are cuaght up in the moment of this season's run that cannot look to the future and that is a healthy Amare. ANd it's these very same losers who will switch their positions back and forth with each loss. I am sure the OP will start a thread if the Suns lose game 5 and Marion plays bad that we need to trade Marion.

Chris Bosh? lol what the hell has Chris Bosh ever done?

 

[George O'Brien]

I am puzzled by all the trade threads. I realize the Suns are going to have some cap issues in a few years, but I would really like to see the core of team get at least a couple of shots at a ring.

This is an amazing team. Most people expected the Suns to struggle to get to playoffs BEFORE KT was injured, but they made the playoffs even without him. Add Amare and KT to the "never say die" Suns and this could be one of the really great teams ever.