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Andy Katz says based on what he's heard it is unlikely Sidney plays in college. The NCAA has alleged that Sidney lied to investigators about financial dealings with his 9th grade trip to LA(Before the family moved there) and they're not accepting his claim he just doesn't remember correctly. Much like Dez Bryant the punishment would be 1 year suspension and they aren't necessarily going to count THIS year as the suspension since the family was uncooperative and dragged the investigation out.

They can't prove hotels and restaurant bills were paid for on the LA trip because of his basketball ability, the dad insists he paid for most of it but can't prove it. The NCAA says they are satisfied with that portion they can't prove a violation.

No proof of violation with the renting situation in LA or the personal loans to the family. A Miss. sportswriter says his contacts say the way the NCAA worded it makes it perfectly clear they DO believe in all 3 instances it was a violation, they just can't prove it. They believe the loan was based on NBA potential, they believe the hotels and food was related to basketball, and they believe people rented rooms from the Sidneys to give them the income they needed and furthermore they (the NCAA) believes someone else actually provided the rent money not the families of Sidneys' teammates, they just can't prove it in all 3 cases.

However, they found clear evidence the family used funds directed to the non profit(AAU team) for personal gain including plane tickets and entertainment(sports events) that violates amateurism rules(and is illegal since it's a non profit) and that's a clear violation. The money was clearly not part of th efathers salary from Reebok, it came from Reebok to fund the AAU team but was used as income by the family.

Also Sidney took "gear" well above the allowable limit from Reebok, again they funneled it through the non profit not direct from Reebok to try and conceal the source.

There was also workouts in San Francisco that were paid for by someone other than the family and Chris Rivers(Reebok) paid for expenses on 2 unofficial recruiting trips. Much like the John Wall case where his AAU coach paid for 2 trips and the AAU coach is a former agent, Rivers is not allowed to pay for those trips under amateurism rules, the money has to be repaid(the family says it has been).

Katz basically says it appears MSU will just move on and let Sidney decide on his own if he wants to appeal the ruling, MSU won't try to play him this season. He's reputed to be 30-40 pounds over his playing weight now.
 

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Wondering what the father's job description was, while working for Reebok?

The money was clearly not part of the fathers salary from Reebok
 
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Wondering what the father's job description was, while working for Reebok?

He was the director of Grass Roots Basketball on the West Coast. Who better than a guy living in Mississippi to be in charge of West Coast grassroots basketball? A guy who was hired to be an assistant coach at the HS his son was going to play for as a freshman in HS, until the Miss HS folks ruled the son ineligible to play at that school. The dad didn't want him to change schools, because he wanted to coach him, so he had the kid sit out the season rather than just attend the school in his proper attendance area. Then they moved to Cali and hit the free money jackpot. The agent is comical, they can't explain where they spent the money but the NCAA has no proof it was misused? Hello, if the AAU is set up as a non profit by LAW you have to account for every expenditure, period. You're not allowed to take kids out to a meal and not record that expense, if you do that sort of thing enough to add up to nearly 12K, can you really blame the NCAA for assuming it wasn't recorded intentionally?

BTW the MSU fans on the Scout site seem to think Sidney is gone after the season. He apparently had to be restrained by teammates after the Tennessee game and then got into a shoving match with a teammate in the locker room, he's also 40 pounds overweight now. his dad allegedly earned money in LA as a personal trainer so maybe he can train his son for free to get ready for the NBA draft.
 

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SWEET RIDE

The NCAA prohibits colleges athletes from using their status to gain 'extra benefits' -- such as the use of a car or jobs for family members -- but it's not always easy to determine what the rules allow

Thursday April 03, 2003

By Josh Peter
Staff writer


When he's driving the black 2000 Nissan Altima across campus, Duke point guard Chris Duhon is easy to spot. A dead giveaway is the personalized license plate: C DOO 21.

Duhon wears jersey No. 21, and he directs Duke's offense with the same steadiness he showed at Salmen High School in Slidell, but the car might surprise the people from his hometown. After all, in high school Duhon didn't have a car, and had to hitch rides with friends or borrow his mother's 1972 Volkswagen Beetle, a former Salmen teammate said.

But things have changed since 2000, when Duhon enrolled at Duke and his mother, Vivian Harper, moved to Durham, N.C., to be close to her oldest son. Harper, who got a job at a company run by a Duke basketball supporter, now owns a 1993 Jeep Cherokee. She also owns the Altima, according to North Carolina motor vehicle records.

More conspicuous than Duhon's Altima is the black 1998 Mercedes SUV with gray trim being driven by Brandon Bass, a high school All-American from Baton Rouge who has committed to play basketball at LSU. Then there's the white 2002 Cadillac Escalade being driven by Anthony Johnson, a senior guard at the University of Louisiana-Lafayette.

While the recent academic scandals at Georgia, Fresno State and St. Bonaventure constitute alleged NCAA rules violations, less clear are examples such as those involving Duhon, Bass and Johnson. NCAA rules prohibit college athletes from using their athletic status or future earning potential to receive 'extra benefits,' defined by NCAA rules as 'any special arrangement by an institutional employee or a representative of the institution's athletics interests to provide a student-athlete or the student-athlete's relative or friend a benefit not expressly authorized by the NCAA legislation.'

A three-month investigation by The Times-Picayune found:

-- Duhon's mother, Vivian Harper, landed a job working for a Duke booster; co-workers say the job opening was never posted and that Harper was overpaid and lacked qualifications. When a manager at the company asked why Harper was moving from Louisiana, supervisors informed him that her son, one of the nation's top recruits, had signed to play at Duke.

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Mom in charge

There was no room for advisers in the recruitment of Chris Duhon. From the start, it was clear who was in charge -- his mother.

Duke's Mike Krzyzewski and the dozens of other college coaches recruiting Duhon had to go through Vivian Harper. At the time, she and her two sons were living in a modest house in Slidell. It was a house Harper nearly lost in June 1999, according to court documents.

Trustmark National Bank filed court papers to seize the house after Harper allegedly failed to make mortgage payments for more than six months. Foreclosure never took place. Though court documents offer no details as to how the situation was resolved, Harper remained the owner. Privacy laws prohibit Trustmark from disclosing information about the matter, said Rob Armour, the bank's assistant marketing director.

At the time, family friends said, Harper was running a child-care business out of the home. It was a home Duhon was prepared to leave, but not without his mother.

In September 1999, during a team barbecue in Krzyzewski's back yard held during Duhon's official visit to Duke, Duhon committed to the Blue Devils. He also asked his mother to join him.

The next summer, Harper rented out her house in Slidell and headed for a two-bedroom apartment in Durham, N.C. There she found a job at NCM Capital Management Group, a billion-dollar money management firm owned by Maceo Sloan, who displays in his office the basketball he received as a gift from Duke's 1991 national championship team.

How Harper learned of the NCM job is unclear, because the full-time position she got in its operations department was never posted, according to several former employees. No details were available from Harper, who initially offered to provide her resume to prove her qualifications for the position. When contacted later, she said, 'I'm not interested in talking to you.' Attempts to reach Duhon were unsuccessful.

Robert Sinclair, former manager of operations at the NCM, said Harper was the only candidate for the position. He also said when his supervisors gave him Harper's resume and he questioned her move from Louisiana to Durham, his supervisors explained, 'Her son is going to play at Duke.'

Sinclair said he recalls Harper having some banking experience, but lacking a Series 7 General Securities license, which allows agents to sell stocks, bonds and other investment vehicles.

Sinclair stressed that Harper quickly learned all facets of the accounting job and 'earned her keep,' but also said, 'the (hiring) process may not have been the ideal process for everyone involved.'

Regarding Harper's hire, Sinclair said, 'I don't know if anybody pulled strings. How she got wind of the position? For that you're going to have to go higher.'

Sinclair said he got Harper's resume from two supervisors: Ben Blakney, then the company chief operating officer and president, and Debra Lane, who was Sinclair's immediate supervisor. Blakney, no longer with the company, declined comment. Lane, also no longer with the company, said Harper was 'more than qualified to do any job,' but refused further comment.

Justin Beckett, a former Duke football player who represented former Duke basketball stars Christian Laettner and Brian Davis when the players turned pro, was the company's No. 2 executive when Harper was hired. Beckett did not return several phone messages.

Sloan, NCM's multimillionaire owner and past member of the board of directors of Duke's Center for International Studies, did not return phone messages left with his secretary.

Sinclair and two other former employees said Harper started at a higher salary than other account specialists and got a significant raise in her first few months on the job. Sinclair declined to provide details, other than to say, 'She didn't make entry level.'

Kaye Wrenn, a former employee who filed a sexual harassment complaint when she left the company in 2001, claims she saw documents showing Harper got a raise of $10,000 to $14,000 within four months of Harper's arrival that increased her salary to at least $42,000. Wrenn and other former employees said entry-level salary for account specialists was about $28,000 a year.

Cindy Mandel, the company's payroll and benefits administrator when Harper arrived but who no longer is with the company, said, 'I know she was making more than me, and I was making $35,000.'

Some time after joining NCM, Harper upgraded the family transportation. Told about the Jeep Cherokee and Nissan Altima, Wrenn said, 'Moving up in the world, huh?'

But Sinclair said he can't understand why anyone would question the arrangement, which he said happens all the time. He offered another example in former Duke star Carlos Boozer, whose family moved from Alaska to Durham after Boozer's freshman year in 2000.

Three months after moving to Durham, according to Boozer's wife, Renee, Carlos Boozer Sr. was jobless. He finally found one at GlaxoSmithKline, a pharmaceutical company then run by Robert Ingram, a close friend of Krzyzewski.

'And I'm proud of it,' Ingram said of his friendship with Duke's coach.

Boozer approached Ingram at a Duke game and asked if he knew of any job openings at GlaxoSmithKline, according to Ingram.

'Bob is a great friend of mine,' Boozer Sr. said. 'We still talk and get along well. . . . Bob loves Duke.'

But Ingram said he simply gave Boozer contact information for the company's human resources department and had no influence on Boozer getting a job in the research and development division.

'I shouldn't do that,' Ingram said, adding that he never discussed the matter with Krzyzewski.

Boozer initially said he worked as a programmer and made $125,000 per year. But when told former co-workers said he was an administrative assistant, Boozer recanted, saying he earned about $40,000 annually doing administrative work. He said he lost the job because the company merged and his division was moved to Philadelphia. His departure came about six months after Carlos Boozer Jr. left Duke for the NBA. In addition, Ingram had retired as GlaxoSmithKline's CEO and president of U.S. operations.

'Duke had nothing to do with me getting that job,' said Boozer, who works as a car salesman at Michael Jordan Nissan in Durham.

Ingram said Boozer was a 'valued employee. We shouldn't discriminate whether it has to do with race, gender or if someone has a son playing basketball at Duke.'

Krzyzewski on Tuesday left town for a week and was likely unavailable for comment, said John Jackson, Duke's sports information director. He referred questions to Chris Kennedy, Duke's senior associate athletics director in charge of compliance with NCAA rules.

'Of Duke parents, Vivian (Harper) has been the most diligent about checking every little thing with me,' Kennedy said of Duhon's mother. 'She's very, very nervous about NCAA violations.'

Though Kennedy said he thinks Harper and Boozer obtained jobs while complying with NCAA rules, he also said Duke and other schools remain vulnerable to the actions of boosters.

'The same way you're vulnerable with agents,' he said. 'It's impossible to know everything that's going on out there.'

Kennedy acknowledged that Harper and Boozer obtaining jobs in Durham from boosters could create perception problems. But he added, 'If Vivian had come in with a list of companies she was interested in working for, the odds are in this area a high percentage of them are going to be associated with Duke people. . . . I didn't think I could tell Vivian, 'You can't apply for jobs with these companies because Duke people are in charge.' As long as she does the work and she gets paid pretty much what she's supposed to get paid for that job, I don't have a problem with that.'
 
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Yep the Duke stuff has been out there for years. The current school with the worst rep in that regard is of course Kansas with all the stuff about Chalmers and his dad and then the recent story detailing how commonly parents of Kansas recruits move to Lawrence and get jobs working for Kansas alums. That's why I've never understood why Self gets such a free pass from the national media, they have no problem casting doubt on Calipari or Huggins or Floyd but give Self a free pass? I mean lets look at some very public stuff about Self's chief recruiter.

KU's top recruiter is a guy named Kurtis Townsend, if the name sounds familiar his brother Ray played for UCLA, both are from San Jose, CA.

Kurtis Townsend first came to national attention as an assistant at Cal from 93-97 where he worked with head coach Todd Bozeman. If that name sounds familiar it's because Cal got 3 years probation and Bozeman was banned from college ball for 8 years because of a huge NCAA investigation that involved Bozeman paying the parents of Jelani Gardner and Tremaine Fowlkes to get them to Cal. Townsend was personally named in some of the allegations for secondary violations recruiting Shareef Abdur-Rahim.

From there Kurtis took a similar job at Michigan where he worked from 98-2001. If Michigan sounds familiar it's probably because of the famous "Fab 5" recruiting class(Webber, howard, Jackson, King, Rose) that might have been the best recruiting class ever. That class is also well known for another reason as it turned out that more than 1 of them was paid cash by a rich booster named Ed Martin. The school eventually got 4 years probation, the records of the Fab 5 were wiped out, and Webber was going to be charged with perjury until he finally admitted he'd taken money from Martin. Did I mention before Townsend got to Michigan he worked at Eastern Kentucky on the staff of Scott Perry? Who is Scott Perry, why he was an assistant to Steve Fisher at... Michigan, when the Fab 5 were recruited, by Scott Perry. How Perry got an NCAA job after what he did at Michigan is anybody's guess but he apparently saw something in Townsend that reminded him of himself and hired him. To be fair, Townsend did play college ball in Kentucky, but at Western not Eastern Kentucky.

So after Eastern Kentucky Townsend went to Michigan where he recruited a kid from Seattle named Jamal Crawford, yes the NBA player currently with the Hawks. During his recruitment Crawford was suspended twice for recruiting violations, seems a representative was obtaining loans for Crawford but concealing Crawfords identity trying to cover up the violation. The NCAA also ruled that the "advisor" had more than one personal meeting with a recruiter for Michigan, a guy named... Kurtis Townsend.

Then Townsend went to USC where he worked during the time USC went on probation for academic fraud and ultimately fired their coach over multiple secondary recruiting violations(after Townsend left).Townsends' 2 biggest recruits at USC were the Stewart twins Lodrick and Rodrick who happened to play at the same highschool Jamal Crawford had in Seattle. When Townsend left USC he took USC's top recruit with him, Wally you'll be familiar with the name, CJ Giles. Townsend hired on with Miami and Giles followed him. But Townsend got fired at Miami when the school there uncovered violations in their program and changed coaches. Townsend then found a new job at ... Kansas, and guess who followed him to Kansas... CJ Giles. Rodrick Stewart then left USC and transferred to... Kansas, where Townsend was working.

While at Kansas Giles and a teammate got in trouble for a fight and Giles finally was essentially told to leave. He had been involved in a brawl where he kicked and threw beer bottles at others during the assault. He eventually enrolled at Oregon State but was thrown off that team midseason for failure to attend meetings and practices, he's on the fringes of the NBA now. Did I mention Giles was from the same highschool as Crawford and the Stewart twins?

Townsend is still the "ace recruiter" at Kansas today, he's the guy who got the Morris twins from Philadelphia, got Xavier Henry, Sherron Collins etc. He was the primary recruiter of most of the kids on the current Kansas squad. We hear World Wide Wes' name thrown out there frequently when people talk about college recruiting but oddly nobody ever seems to point out the history of Kurtis Townsend even though he's on such a high profile school?
 

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while the players and their parent(s) walk away richer for the sham.
 

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Yep the Duke stuff has been out there for years. The current school with the worst rep in that regard is of course Kansas with all the stuff about Chalmers and his dad and then the recent story detailing how commonly parents of Kansas recruits move to Lawrence and get jobs working for Kansas alums. That's why I've never understood why Self gets such a free pass from the national media, they have no problem casting doubt on Calipari or Huggins or Floyd but give Self a free pass? I mean lets look at some very public stuff about Self's chief recruiter.

KU's top recruiter is a guy named Kurtis Townsend, if the name sounds familiar his brother Ray played for UCLA, both are from San Jose, CA.

Kurtis Townsend first came to national attention as an assistant at Cal from 93-97 where he worked with head coach Todd Bozeman. If that name sounds familiar it's because Cal got 3 years probation and Bozeman was banned from college ball for 8 years because of a huge NCAA investigation that involved Bozeman paying the parents of Jelani Gardner and Tremaine Fowlkes to get them to Cal. Townsend was personally named in some of the allegations for secondary violations recruiting Shareef Abdur-Rahim.

From there Kurtis took a similar job at Michigan where he worked from 98-2001. If Michigan sounds familiar it's probably because of the famous "Fab 5" recruiting class(Webber, howard, Jackson, King, Rose) that might have been the best recruiting class ever. That class is also well known for another reason as it turned out that more than 1 of them was paid cash by a rich booster named Ed Martin. The school eventually got 4 years probation, the records of the Fab 5 were wiped out, and Webber was going to be charged with perjury until he finally admitted he'd taken money from Martin. Did I mention before Townsend got to Michigan he worked at Eastern Kentucky on the staff of Scott Perry? Who is Scott Perry, why he was an assistant to Steve Fisher at... Michigan, when the Fab 5 were recruited, by Scott Perry. How Perry got an NCAA job after what he did at Michigan is anybody's guess but he apparently saw something in Townsend that reminded him of himself and hired him. To be fair, Townsend did play college ball in Kentucky, but at Western not Eastern Kentucky.

So after Eastern Kentucky Townsend went to Michigan where he recruited a kid from Seattle named Jamal Crawford, yes the NBA player currently with the Hawks. During his recruitment Crawford was suspended twice for recruiting violations, seems a representative was obtaining loans for Crawford but concealing Crawfords identity trying to cover up the violation. The NCAA also ruled that the "advisor" had more than one personal meeting with a recruiter for Michigan, a guy named... Kurtis Townsend.

Then Townsend went to USC where he worked during the time USC went on probation for academic fraud and ultimately fired their coach over multiple secondary recruiting violations(after Townsend left).Townsends' 2 biggest recruits at USC were the Stewart twins Lodrick and Rodrick who happened to play at the same highschool Jamal Crawford had in Seattle. When Townsend left USC he took USC's top recruit with him, Wally you'll be familiar with the name, CJ Giles. Townsend hired on with Miami and Giles followed him. But Townsend got fired at Miami when the school there uncovered violations in their program and changed coaches. Townsend then found a new job at ... Kansas, and guess who followed him to Kansas... CJ Giles. Rodrick Stewart then left USC and transferred to... Kansas, where Townsend was working.

While at Kansas Giles and a teammate got in trouble for a fight and Giles finally was essentially told to leave. He had been involved in a brawl where he kicked and threw beer bottles at others during the assault. He eventually enrolled at Oregon State but was thrown off that team midseason for failure to attend meetings and practices, he's on the fringes of the NBA now. Did I mention Giles was from the same highschool as Crawford and the Stewart twins?

Townsend is still the "ace recruiter" at Kansas today, he's the guy who got the Morris twins from Philadelphia, got Xavier Henry, Sherron Collins etc. He was the primary recruiter of most of the kids on the current Kansas squad. We hear World Wide Wes' name thrown out there frequently when people talk about college recruiting but oddly nobody ever seems to point out the history of Kurtis Townsend even though he's on such a high profile school?

This is such a hack job full of ****, Russ. Which KU alum stole your gf?
 
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This is such a hack job full of ****, Russ. Which KU alum stole your gf?

Tell me where it's inaccurate. Townsend was an assistant at each of those schools during times where they got in trouble with the NCAA, he was personally named by the NCAA at multiple locations.

It's certainly more accurate than for example saying John Wooden bought a basketball program since I actually provide details and dates and facts to support my conclusion about Kurtis Townsend.

I mean as a UCLA fan I'd be embarassed if they hired an assistant who had anywhere near that much baggage in his resume.
 

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Tell me where it's inaccurate. Townsend was an assistant at each of those schools during times where they got in trouble with the NCAA, he was personally named by the NCAA at multiple locations.

It's certainly more accurate than for example saying John Wooden bought a basketball program since I actually provide details and dates and facts to support my conclusion about Kurtis Townsend.

I mean as a UCLA fan I'd be embarassed if they hired an assistant who had anywhere near that much baggage in his resume.

You're right, I should have added Steve Lavin to your taint. Why even follow your teams college basketball program?

Your six degrees of separation between with Townsend and the Fab 5 is pathetically weak. CJ Giles was a legacy at KU, it's not like he randomly chose KU. Was UofA also dirty in their recruiting of Giles or is it only the winners who must be dirty? His incidents while there are sad, but somehow you tie that to a stain on the program.
Rodrick was the 3rd/4th man off the bench when he transferred to KU, why and what could possibly have been offered to him regarding Townsend for Self to make that kind of investment? It's just flaunting to flaunt at this point? :shrug:

Your Morris mother's story had just as innuendo filled crap in it and incorrect facts to tilt the story, like her former job in Philly (lesson: she worked admin at a local hospital and now works the phones at a real estate company OMG conspiracy!!).

The Chalmers thing has been hashed out over and over on here and you've shown nothing to make an issue of it. Nothing.

You're like Glenn Beck with your grabbing of random facts and forming an equation equaling Hitler. You insinuate and speculate to fill in the gaps and slant your narration.
 
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Almost forgot about C J Giles. He was the recruit, whose signing with the Miami Hurricanes, was the final event that led to Perry Clark's firing. Seems, Perry offered Chester Giles a job as an assistant to go along with his son's scholly. Perry was fired, leaving no job for Chester, C J got his release, hello Kansas. Did Chester get a job at Kansas U?
 
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You're right, I should have added Steve Lavin to your taint. Why even follow your teams college basketball program?

Your six degrees of separation between with Townsend and the Fab 5 is pathetically weak. CJ Giles was a legacy at KU, it's not like he randomly chose KU. Was UofA also dirty in their recruiting of Giles or is it only the winners who must be dirty? His incidents while there are sad, but somehow you tie that to a stain on the program.
Rodrick was the 3rd/4th man off the bench when he transferred to KU, why and what could possibly have been offered to him regarding Townsend for Self to make that kind of investment? It's just flaunting to flaunt at this point? :shrug:

Your Morris mother's story had just as innuendo filled crap in it and incorrect facts to tilt the story, like her former job in Philly (lesson: she worked admin at a local hospital and now works the phones at a real estate company OMG conspiracy!!).

The Chalmers thing has been hashed out over and over on here and you've shown nothing to make an issue of it. Nothing.

You're like Glenn Beck with your grabbing of random facts and forming an equation equaling Hitler. You insinuate and speculate to fill in the gaps and slant your narration.

I guess I must be forgetting the numerous times Lavin was named by the NCAA when handing down violations? the only violation I am aware of while he was at UCLA was Harrick and the Collins twins dinner, and Lavin wasn't involved at all he wasn't at the dinner. He was a terrible call as a head coach but not even remotely comparable to Townsend. And UCLA fired Harrick for that violation.

Townsend went from working for a coach who got the single worst punishment handed out in NCAA basketball history(Bozeman) to later working for a coach who was responsible for recruiting guys who were involved in one of the biggest pay for play scandals in NCAA history(Ed Martin). He was at USC when they had violations, and he was at Miami when they fired the head coach in part because of not winning and in part because the alums didn't like the direction of the programs recruiting. It's the coaching equivalent of being hit by lightning 4 times.

Giles committed to USC when Townsend was there, reneged and committed to Miami when Townsend was there, and then asked out of his LOI when Townsend got fired and signed with Kansas where Townsend was. You actually believe he picked Kansas because he was a legacy and not because he was going to play wherever Townsend worked? You think it's coincidence that he verballed to USC and signed an LOI with Miami, it had absolutely nothign to do with Townsend?

Yes we have discussed Chalmers before, IIRC your take is it's just coincidence that his dad living in Alaska was the most qualified man for the job of director of Basketball Ops in Kansas? And it's coincidence that he quit the job after his son turned pro? I guess that clears it up, yet another amazing coincidence.

IIRC your take on Arthur was that it was investigated and they found no wrongdoing, end of story. Nevermind that 3 different teachers at the school have now publicly stated their grades were changed in order to keep Arthur eligible. His math teacher has been well chronicled and to this day insists the grades were changed. His english teacher says that his actual English 3 grades add up to 67.5(75, 60, 65, 70) but oddly were recorded as a 70 on his final transcript making it a C instead of a D. his theater arts teacher states he got a failing score of 50 but for some odd reason the last 6 weeks of his class that year are "missing" from the transcript and the final grade was passing, not the 50 the teacher insists he actually got. the school was already nailed for doing the exact same thing and forfeited state titles but hey the investigation cleared Arthur so all those people are lying, maybe John Wooden paid them? Clearly these teachers just don't like Darrel Arthur, maybe he stole their girlfriends too?

And while we're at it, who was the first recruit to commit to Self at Kansas, Darnell Jackson ring a bell? Let's see he got suspended 9 games for taking $5000 in cash from Don Davis, a KU alum and booster. Yet another coincidence with a Kansas booster I'm sure.

Yeah there's absolutely no reason to think there's anything fishy about any of this there's certainly no history to suggest that Self's program is winning a lot of games on the court but might be somewhat embarassing off the court.

Maybe Self actually should call out his players when they do something wrong?
 

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Almost forgot about C J Giles. He was the recruit, whose signing with the Miami Hurricanes, was the final event that led to Perry Clark's firing. Seems, Perry offered Chester Giles a job as an assistant to go along with his son's scholly. Perry was fired, leaving no job for Chester, C J got his release, hello Kansas. Did Chester get a job at Kansas U?

No, he didn't.
 

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I guess I must be forgetting the numerous times Lavin was named by the NCAA when handing down violations? the only violation I am aware of while he was at UCLA was Harrick and the Collins twins dinner, and Lavin wasn't involved at all he wasn't at the dinner. He was a terrible call as a head coach but not even remotely comparable to Townsend. And UCLA fired Harrick for that violation.

Ah, Harrick, that's right. So, when did UCLA take down their banner?

Townsend went from working for a coach who got the single worst punishment handed out in NCAA basketball history(Bozeman) to later working for a coach who was responsible for recruiting guys who were involved in one of the biggest pay for play scandals in NCAA history(Ed Martin). He was at USC when they had violations, and he was at Miami when they fired the head coach in part because of not winning and in part because the alums didn't like the direction of the programs recruiting. It's the coaching equivalent of being hit by lightning 4 times.

Giles committed to USC when Townsend was there, reneged and committed to Miami when Townsend was there, and then asked out of his LOI when Townsend got fired and signed with Kansas where Townsend was. You actually believe he picked Kansas because he was a legacy and not because he was going to play wherever Townsend worked? You think it's coincidence that he verballed to USC and signed an LOI with Miami, it had absolutely nothign to do with Townsend?

So why were UofA and UW recruiting him in the first place? Were they just stupid or did they fail to offer Townsend enough $$? I'm just wondering if Townsend is so dirty, why do we fail to grab recruits? Did Izzo out bid us for Payne?


Yes we have discussed Chalmers before, IIRC your take is it's just coincidence that his dad living in Alaska was the most qualified man for the job of director of Basketball Ops in Kansas? And it's coincidence that he quit the job after his son turned pro? I guess that clears it up, yet another amazing coincidence.

Chalmer's dad was hired after he signed and the previous Dir of Basketball Ops resigned. Chalmer's dad, as a former military man and HS coach was as qualified as any to take the job. Now the position is held by a former KU walk on. Again, it's not illegal per the NCAA so they don't think it is too much of an issue.


IIRC your take on Arthur was that it was investigated and they found no wrongdoing, end of story. Nevermind that 3 different teachers at the school have now publicly stated their grades were changed in order to keep Arthur eligible. His math teacher has been well chronicled and to this day insists the grades were changed. His english teacher says that his actual English 3 grades add up to 67.5(75, 60, 65, 70) but oddly were recorded as a 70 on his final transcript making it a C instead of a D. his theater arts teacher states he got a failing score of 50 but for some odd reason the last 6 weeks of his class that year are "missing" from the transcript and the final grade was passing, not the 50 the teacher insists he actually got. the school was already nailed for doing the exact same thing and forfeited state titles but hey the investigation cleared Arthur so all those people are lying, maybe John Wooden paid them? Clearly these teachers just don't like Darrel Arthur, maybe he stole their girlfriends too?

Arthur was cleared by the NCAA Clearinghouse, take any issues up with them.


And while we're at it, who was the first recruit to commit to Self at Kansas, Darnell Jackson ring a bell? Let's see he got suspended 9 games for taking $5000 in cash from Don Davis, a KU alum and booster. Yet another coincidence with a Kansas booster I'm sure.

Jackson was punished for this, although it wasn't $5000 cash, again you make up **** to propel your narrative. His mom got rides to the games from OKC, along with meals during the trips.

Yeah there's absolutely no reason to think there's anything fishy about any of this there's certainly no history to suggest that Self's program is winning a lot of games on the court but might be somewhat embarrassing off the court.

Maybe Self actually should call out his players when they do something wrong?

You forgot the old people giving $ to graduates under Roy. Yup, horrible, horrible acts of depravity and corruption. For shame, for shame. I'd come back with more UCLA "suspicions" but I just don't care enough about your program to do the due diligence you've done on mine. Oddly, neither do your fans based on the empty seats in that bastardized barn you call a basketball arena.
 

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Just before the start of this college basketball season, UCLA received a letter of inquiry from the NCAA, seeking information about possible illegal contact between a recruit and a person representing the interests of the university.

The recruit was Kevin Love, now the Bruins' star freshman center.

The person representing the interests of the university was John Wooden.


97 years old and still trying to buy the program, huh Russ? Sleaze doesn't age.


When the news surfaced late last week that Utah was among four or five college basketball programs interested in New York City schoolboy star Richie Parker despite his felony conviction for sexual abuse, Ute coach Rick Majerus told the New York Post he saw nothing wrong with the recruiting of Parker because "everyone I've spoken to in New York says he's a great kid." Utah assistant coach Donny Daniels proved even more callous by suggesting that too much sympathy was being showered on Parker's victim when Parker himself had endured "an emotional trauma."

"Will he ever be able to forget it?" Daniels asked. "She probably will get a doctorate and marry a successful guy and live over in the Hamptons.... This girl could have damaged Parker for life. Five years from now this will haunt him. They both made a mistake, they shouldn't have been there.... But everyone's worried about the girl. What about him?

"There are much worse crimes," Daniels added. "If he was a child molester, we wouldn't take him."

What a comfort.

Slimy....

http://www.uclabruins.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/daniels_donny00.html
 
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97 years old and still trying to buy the program, huh Russ? Sleaze doesn't age.




Slimy....

http://www.uclabruins.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/daniels_donny00.html

Well let's see you forgot the conclusion of that "incident" that the NCAA ruled there was no violation because John Wooden is a paid consultant at UCLA and is therefore allowed to say hello to Kevin Love when he's eating breakfast in a restaurant and Love on his recruiting visit is brought to the restaurant. the story was written AFTER Love had been cleared, if I'm not mistaken I'm the one that first posted that story on this site as an example of a lazy story by I think Bill Plaschke. But I can see how you might think arranging to bring recruits to the restaurant Wooden ate breakfast at on the same day every week(doesn't anymore due to health) is comparable to a school having alums help the parents of recruits find jobs.

You do realize Richie Parker never played at Utah and was never coached by Donny Daniels?

I never said other schools didn't recruit the same kids Kansas does or Townsend does, I said it's not a coincidence that Giles committed to 3 different schools all of which had Townsend on staff when he committed. you apparently think Giles chose Kansas because he's a legacy. I never said they paid Giles btw, I said he followed Townsend, it's one of the reasons Kansas hired Townsend, they wanted Giles.

And to this day you dodge the same issue on Chalmers, it doesn't matter that he was qualified for the job, the question is was he really the MOST qualified or did he get the job because his son committed to Kansas? I get that you don't want to believe that happened, but continually asserting the dad was qualified is just avoiding the actual question, did he get the job because of his son?

And while we're at it, harrick's violation came AFTER UCLA won the NC, the dinner happened nearly 2 year after UCLA cut down the nets, they weren't even remotely related. And again, UCLA fired harrick when they found out about it, they didn't say well we won an NC with the guy we can't fire him, they realized Harrick couldn't be trusted (and there were also sexual harassment charges pending against him by a UCLA employee) so they fired him. I think his issues since then reinforce UCLA made the right decision.
 
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AS for arthur, the Clearinghouse also cleared Derrick Rose and OJ Mayo, and yet when they got evidence they should not have been eligible guess what, the NCAA acted on it. Rose has been ruled retroactively ineligible and Memphis vacated that season. USC has vacated their season and ruled Mayo retroactively ineligible.

In the case of Arthur the NCAA is just doing CYA, they didn't want to have to vacate a national championship so they were thrilled when the folks in Texas decided that despite 3 teachers saying Arthurs grades were changed, and a prior history of that school doing that exact thing, they found no proof of wrongdoing and Arthur was in fact eligible. the NCAA got the result they wanted clearly those 3 teachers were lying?

It's cases like Mayo, rose and Arthur that led to the NCAA playing hardball with Sidney this season, theyr'e still embarassed that the other 3 were certified and allowed to play college ball.
 

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Well let's see you forgot the conclusion of that "incident" that the NCAA ruled there was no violation because John Wooden is a paid consultant at UCLA and is therefore allowed to say hello to Kevin Love when he's eating breakfast in a restaurant and Love on his recruiting visit is brought to the restaurant. the story was written AFTER Love had been cleared, if I'm not mistaken I'm the one that first posted that story on this site as an example of a lazy story by I think Bill Plaschke. But I can see how you might think arranging to bring recruits to the restaurant Wooden ate breakfast at on the same day every week(doesn't anymore due to health) is comparable to a school having alums help the parents of recruits find jobs.

smoke and fire, right Russ. Looks funny anyways esp. with Wooden and UCLA's accused past.

You do realize Richie Parker never played at Utah and was never coached by Donny Daniels?

Does it really matter? Did you read what your current asst coach was quoted as saying? That sound like the kind of person you want in charge of impressionable young men? Not me..

I never said other schools didn't recruit the same kids Kansas does or Townsend does, I said it's not a coincidence that Giles committed to 3 different schools all of which had Townsend on staff when he committed. you apparently think Giles chose Kansas because he's a legacy. I never said they paid Giles btw, I said he followed Townsend, it's one of the reasons Kansas hired Townsend, they wanted Giles.

Townsend learned coaching under Gene Keady and is known as an excellent defensive coach. That is why he was hired as far as you, I, or anyone else knows.

And to this day you dodge the same issue on Chalmers, it doesn't matter that he was qualified for the job, the question is was he really the MOST qualified or did he get the job because his son committed to Kansas? I get that you don't want to believe that happened, but continually asserting the dad was qualified is just avoiding the actual question, did he get the job because of his son?

What am I supposed to say about it? You know nothing about the circumstances surrounding the hiring of Chalmers, but it wasn't like he was overpaid, it wasn't like he was broke, it wasn't like he wasn't qualified for the job. His son had committed before he was hired. Is it really all it takes to get a recruit like Chalmers is to hire his dad to a median paid job that he actually worked really hard at?
 

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AS for arthur, the Clearinghouse also cleared Derrick Rose and OJ Mayo, and yet when they got evidence they should not have been eligible guess what, the NCAA acted on it. Rose has been ruled retroactively ineligible and Memphis vacated that season. USC has vacated their season and ruled Mayo retroactively ineligible.

In the case of Arthur the NCAA is just doing CYA, they didn't want to have to vacate a national championship so they were thrilled when the folks in Texas decided that despite 3 teachers saying Arthurs grades were changed, and a prior history of that school doing that exact thing, they found no proof of wrongdoing and Arthur was in fact eligible. the NCAA got the result they wanted clearly those 3 teachers were lying?

It's cases like Mayo, rose and Arthur that led to the NCAA playing hardball with Sidney this season, theyr'e still embarassed that the other 3 were certified and allowed to play college ball.

This is just flat wrong, you don't know what you're talking about. In regards to Rose, the NCAA discovered that Memphis officials assisted Rose in passing the SAT by having someone else take the test.

Unless you have some evidence that KU did something similar then you're just throwing **** around and you're the only one who is getting dirty from it.
 
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This is just flat wrong, you don't know what you're talking about. In regards to Rose, the NCAA discovered that Memphis officials assisted Rose in passing the SAT by having someone else take the test.

Unless you have some evidence that KU did something similar then you're just throwing **** around and you're the only one who is getting dirty from it.

What is flat wrong, that 3 teachers have claimed their grades were changed? I can give you all 3 names if you think I'm making that up. I can tell you the names of the classes and the scores the teachers said Arthur actually got not the ones that appeared on his transcript.

The NCAA did not discover that Memphis helped Rose cheat, they ruled that Memphis was aware that Rose might be ineligible and still chose to play him so they were held accountable. The NCAA thinks Rose's HS teammate took the test for him. The Clearinghouse initially certified his test but then ETS challenged the score and notified both Rose and Memphis the test was under review. Memphis had 3 different people interview Rose and he swore to all 3 he took his own test, so they let him play that season, they knew about the allegation but let him play they took his word for it. ETS subsequently threw out the test, btw, ETS is NOT the NCAA. The NCAA then said because his test has been voided by ETS, he's retroactively ineligible, they also found violations involving his brother Reggie Rose.

I think everyone THINKS Calipari knew about Rose's test and in some way was involved, hell he took the test in Detroit(but lived in Chicago) and when he took the test, Calipari was literally in Detroit recruiting. But the NCAA did not say Calipari or Memphis was involved in helping him cheat on the test. They said Memphis was accountable because they were notified in November of Rose's freshman year that his test score was being challenged by ETS. ETS finally ruled in May that Rose's test was invalid, of course the season was over by then so Memphis was held liable for allowing Rose to play.

I'm not making things up, I just happen to be fascinated with stuff like this(Mayo, Sidney etc) and have a good memory. that and google allows you to pretty quickly find stuff that you can't remember off the top of your head.
 

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