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It seemed that finally this past week, Ken Whisenhunt started to feel the pressure of losing 15 of his last 18 games. I can't put a finger on it exactly---maybe you can---but Whisenhunt seemed a little more outwardly intense and focused this past week---and, to his and his staff's credit, there were tangible differences in the team's preparation this week.

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1. First of all, it is more meaningful than some fans think that Whisenhunt turned to John Skelton as his starter and not Richard Bartel. Bartel had a very good pre-season and even though Skelton was de-activated for the first few games because of his ankle injury---it appeared at least that Bartel had wrested the #2 job from Skelton.

When Bartel came in in mop-up duty versus the Vikings, however, Bartel looked as skittish as Kolb. Perhaps---the coaches looked at this and remembered Skelton's "poise."

2. "Poise" is the word that Whisenhunt used repeatedly during and after the game yesterday to describe Skelton's performance.

This might not mean much---Whisenhunt was openly critical of Skelton's mistakes---but all in all, he gave Skelton a favorable review.

And Whisenhunt should have---especially seeing as Skelton hadn't played a live snap since the 3rd pre-season game and hadn't been even activated until recently.

Yet---here's the rub: Whisenhunt has Skelton in his thoughts now---because there is no way Whisenhunt or the offensive coaches could be coaching Kolb to play as jittery as he has over the past 6 games---no coach in his right mind would instruct a QB to run backwards the way Kolb has.

Kolb will now be under pressure to step up (literally and figuratively)---and that's a good thing.

And it makes one wonder whether a coach can actually teach poise. Skelton has it---and it certainly doesn't hurt that he's got the big arm to go with it---plus, as we saw on the clutch 4th quarter game tying TD drive, Skelton is a threat to run.

A poised and tough QB can settle everyone down---and, despite the safeties, the team looked much more settled in the 2nd half of a game finally. Plus---Skelton gets the plays off more briskly---there was more tempo on the offense in the second half than we have seen in weeks.

When you look at the final stats---despite not having a running game to aid his cause the way Sam Bradford did---check out the numbers:

Skelton: 20/35, 222 yds., 6.3 YPA, 1 TD, 0 int, 85.7 rating (+ 4/38/9.5 rush)
Bradford: 23/36, 255 yds., 7.1 ypa, 0 TD, 1 int., 73.3 rating (+ 1/2/2.0 rush)

If you didn't know who the #1 and #155 picks in the 2010 draft were---could you see that great of a difference in their games yesterday?

Plus---this was Bradford's 22nd start---Skelton's 5th.

Under the circumstances---for Skelton to play this well was impressive.

Sure the 2 safeties were glaring mistakes---but may have had more to do with inexperience than anything else.

But---as it turned out the 4 points may have saved the day for the Cardinals in that they didn't have to punt out of their end zone, which could have led to Ram TDs.

3. Evidence of improved preparation:

* The max protection set with two added protectors in the backfield that enabled Skelton to zing in the long in-seam pass to Roberts.

* No dreaded screen passes, especially in key situations.

* The attempted TE fade pass to Jeff King---looks like they added the play this week after seeing the Steelers run it to Heath Miller.

* The continued focus on Doucet in key third down situations.

* The adding of PP into the offense (even though the play was never snapped---at least there was some creativity involved).

* Finally---motioning Fitz to try to take him off press coverage and easy brackets.

* Getting good play from RB Chester Taylor---and his hustle fumble recovery was huge.

On Defense:

* Using Wilson in the box exclusively---his blitz and stuff of Steven Jackson on 3rd and short was one of the biggest plays of the game.

* The short yardage defense down the stretch, especially on the 4th down sweep stop of Jackson.

* Keeping PP assigned all day to Brandon Lloyd. The coverage assignments were much clearer and much more aggressive.

* Getting good play at OLB from Haggans, Acho and Schofield---best OLB play in a game this year.

* Playing Richard Marshall as a Cover 2 safety (in tandem with Rashad Johnson) in passing situations.

On Special Teams:

* Not only were the Cardinals extremely well prepared to make the two plays that won the game (the blocked FG and the 98 yard punt return TD)---they tried their best to pressure P Donnie Jones (who is arguably the best punter in the NFC)---and they came close to blocking a punt once.

4. Game Management:

* Whisenhunt called timeout to try to prevent the Rams from running out the clock and kicking the winning FG. This was smart, even if the defense still gave up the next first down.

* No epic head-scratching meltdowns from the coaches or the team late in the game. Yes, the Rams had a good chance to win---but the Cardinals didn't make it super easy for them---this time they looked better prepared---and will even more prepared when they can get CB technique down to the point where they are not getting these tough, chain-moving 3rd down flags.
 

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Bradford essentially played the game on one leg... not fair at all to make a comparison or draw any conclusions.

Still - Skelton looked poised, comfortable, solid... Haven't said that about Kolb since week 1.
Not at all certain you can coach/teach poise. Clearly, coaching can enable it, if it's there. Playcalling and scheme when matched with a QB's best attributes could help. However, am I the only one who felt that it would be worthwhile seeing more of Skelton? His mobility, arm, poise and presence was refreshing...

Oh - was it me or did it look like Beanie didn't want to be out on the field?? From my vantage point, it appeared he had no drive, no explosion... and he seemed reluctant at best. Taylor actually looked like he had a little spark... some gas left in the tank.

Why is Skelton able to locate Roberts and Kolb can't??
 

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Two passing plays from inside their own 5 yard line is inexcusable. Im not as optimistic as you Mitch and you are Whisenhunt's toughest critic. That game yesterday was awful. Only one TD sucks. I saw nothing yesterday to make me think Whisenhunt and Graves should keep their jobs at the end of this season. But for two rare plays a blocked FG and 99 yard punt return the Cards lose to the Rams. At home.
 

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This is how fans of other teams talk after they've beaten the Cardinals.

:D
 
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Bradford essentially played the game on one leg... not fair at all to make a comparison or draw any conclusions.

Still - Skelton looked poised, comfortable, solid... Haven't said that about Kolb since week 1.
Not at all certain you can coach/teach poise. Clearly, coaching can enable it, if it's there. Playcalling and scheme when matched with a QB's best attributes could help. However, am I the only one who felt that it would be worthwhile seeing more of Skelton? His mobility, arm, poise and presence was refreshing...

Oh - was it me or did it look like Beanie didn't want to be out on the field?? From my vantage point, it appeared he had no drive, no explosion... and he seemed reluctant at best. Taylor actually looked like he had a little spark... some gas left in the tank.

Why is Skelton able to locate Roberts and Kolb can't??

Bradford did not look very hampered by the high ankle sprain---he moved around pretty well. His decision making---throwing one interception and two other passes that could have been intercepted---was an issue.

Skelton avoided the big turnover.

Yes, the safeties could have been avoided (maybe by better play calling too)---but not turning the ball over in the second half this week (unlike last week) was huge.
 
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Two passing plays from inside their own 5 yard line is inexcusable. Im not as optimistic as you Mitch and you are Whisenhunt's toughest critic. That game yesterday was awful. Only one TD sucks. I saw nothing yesterday to make me think Whisenhunt and Graves should keep their jobs at the end of this season. But for two rare plays a blocked FG and 99 yard punt return the Cards lose to the Rams. At home.

I am trying to be fair, CT. I saw improved coaching, and I was going to make a note of it, even if the team lost at the end.

There still are major areas to improve but this was a nice first step. Can they build on it? That's the question.
 

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Bradford did not look very hampered by the high ankle sprain---he moved around pretty well. His decision making---throwing one interception and two other passes that could have been intercepted---was an issue.

Skelton avoided the big turnover.

Yes, the safeties could have been avoided (maybe by better play calling too)---but not turning the ball over in the second half this week (unlike last week) was huge.

I saw Bradford noticeably limping on several occasions yesterday. He was not even close to being healthy and probably shouldn't have played.
An injury like that causes all sorts of issues for a QB, including poor decision-making.

Anyway, as I said, I like the what Skelton was selling yesterday and am willing to buy more from him!

This is so Cardinals-esque... Pay huge $$ for a free agent, only to then have a 5th round draft pick sitting on the bench who steps in and outperforms the high-paid FA.

Of course, if Kolb is healthy next week he's got to get the nod... right? :D
 
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This is how fans of other teams talk after they've beaten the Cardinals.

:D

Maybe teams that have lost 6 in a row.

You know---it's such a crazy game. The Rams score 31 points versus the Saints one week ago with their #2 QB---and this week they score 9 points on offense and no TDs.

Give Ray Horton credit. He got it done. It wasn't pretty---but giving up 0 TDs is always pretty enough, wouldn't you say?
 
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Maybe teams that have lost 6 in a row.

You know---it's such a crazy game. The Rams score 31q points versus the Saints one week ago with their #2 QB---and this week they score 9 points on offense and no TDs.

Give Ray Horton credit. He got it done. It wasn't pretty---but giving up 0 TDs is always pretty enough, wouldn't you say?


Again... Bradford shouldn't have been on the field...
 

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Other than the struggles in the secondary, especially from Jefferson and Marshall, the defense has looked much much better the last few weeks.
 

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Other than the struggles in the secondary, especially from Jefferson and Marshall, the defense has looked much much better the last few weeks.

Might have something to do with increased playing time for Acho and Schofield... ;)
 

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The only 'improved' coaching I saw was the motioning of Fitz several times. We were playing the Rams, mind you, one of the worst teams in the league, and it took a very lucky punt return in OT to win. Luckily that game was in the hands of PP, rather than the coaches, because had it been, we probably would've lost. Whisenhunt's "system" is a failure, and this team will be better off once he is gone.
 

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Agree with everything you posted Mitch except that this team has been motioning Fitzgerald for a while to change up the coverage on him
 

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Might have something to do with increased playing time for Acho and Schofield... ;)

And the lack of play from Porter...

The young guys, those 2 and Washington, certainly have looked great, but also the blitz calls have been smarter. We were doing a lot of blitzes with guys coming from waaaaay on the outside leaving our already struggling corners on islands for too long. Seems like our blitzes have been coming more often from the interior and much better disguised.
 

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The Rams suck because their offense has some injuries and was not that good to begin with (and they have had horrible play calling, look at some of the stuff they called yesterday on short yardage), they actually have a decent to good defense
 

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I don't think you can teach poise. I don't think you can coach it into QBs. But I do think some guys have a "hit me I don't care" attitude when they're young and dumb. An almost - for want of a better word - unconsciousness about them that allows them to know their about to get flattened and still make the play. (Unless they've been pounded into the turf then all bets are off.) I think you're born with it.

(When they're kids the neighbors are saying things like, "Well, somebody has to jump out of airplanes.")

Skelton has the attitude. Kolb doesn't, IMO.
 
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Overall, I still wasn't impressed with the coaching, but I did feel like Peterson was used more effectively. Letting him play man the majority of the time caters much more to his strengths.

But the continued overuse of Lenon and Haggans just gets to me. Although Haggans started out strong this year, both of these guys now look winded two series into the game. It doesn't make any sense to play two mediocre players in their mid-30s so much when the season was lost weeks ago. Why can't we call Sturdivant up from the practice squad to get him some snaps? Somebody needs to spell Lenon once in awhile, and the coaching staff has obviously all but given up on Bradley. Schofield also needs to be on the field even more than he has been. Rotating Scho and Acho in Porter's old spot while leaving Haggans in the majority of the game is a questionable decision to me. And why does Dan Williams continue to sit on the sidelines through large portions of the game? The run D is noticeably better when he's on the field.

As far as the offense goes, why was Deuce inactive yesterday? We watched him for the last five years. While he might not be a world beater, I have a hard time believing he isn't one of the top 7 linemen on the worst O-line in the league. The play calling continued to baffle me at times yesterday. Wasting timeouts didn't come back to haunt us, but it could have.

I don't know. Beating the Rams was cool and all, but I'm not sure how much improved coaching had to do with it. We just ran into a coaching staff that was seemingly more clueless.
 

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I don't think you can teach poise. I don't think you can coach it into QBs. But I do think some guys have a "hit me I don't care" attitude when they're young and dumb. An almost - for want of a better word - unconsciousness about them that allows them to know their about to get flattened and still make the play. (Unless they've been pounded into the turf then all bets are off.) I think you're born with it.

Skelton has the attitude. Kolb doesn't, IMO.

Kolb is listed at 6'3 218

Skelton is listed at over 6'5 and 243

In reality Skelton looks a ton bigger than Kolb but maybe it's just the way it looks.

Jake Plummer IMO was a good example of what you are talking about when he was first here, I think in Skelton's case he's just big enough he's simply not as scared to take a hit.
 

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Kolb is listed at 6'3 218

Skelton is listed at over 6'5 and 243

In reality Skelton looks a ton bigger than Kolb but maybe it's just the way it looks.

Jake Plummer IMO was a good example of what you are talking about when he was first here, I think in Skelton's case he's just big enough he's simply not as scared to take a hit.

Warner was barely 6'2" and 210lbs... Kolb is plenty big enough... He still gets the benefit of the doubt, but, for how much longer?? If he plays the rest of the season and still struggles - does he then? Probably so. But, in 2012 his leash will have to be extremely short!
 

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* The max protection set with two added protectors in the backfield that enabled Skelton to zing in the long in-seam pass to Roberts.

Give this to Kolb an lets see how he does with the same max protection. Kolb never got this over the 7 games he started. Is this Whiz trying to create an excuse to start Skelton over Kolb? Would Whiz admit he made a mistake trading for a QB that is an awful fit for his suppose system?
 

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Aside from the poise angle, which I agree Skelton has and Kolb not as much, what about the sweet ball Skelton throws. Very catchable. While not quite a Warner type throw, it sure appears to be catchable. Kolb, on the other hand, just slingshots everything. He rips 5 and 10 yard throws as hard as 30 yard throws. That's almost as bothersome to me as the poise issue.
 

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Aside from the poise angle, which I agree Skelton has and Kolb not as much, what about the sweet ball Skelton throws. Very catchable. While not quite a Warner type throw, it sure appears to be catchable. Kolb, on the other hand, just slingshots everything. He rips 5 and 10 yard throws as hard as 30 yard throws. That's almost as bothersome to me as the poise issue.
Skelton throws a very nice ball... however, Kolb does as well. I have seen Kolb throw many touch passes very well. Several to Fitz actually. The way the ball comes out from Kolb is definitely not his problem. It's everything he does prior to actually throwing the ball that is the problem...
 

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