Silver Lining: Tyler Wilson is going to have some W-E-A-P-O-N-S

[Chopper0080]

Mike Munchak = Russ Grimm.

Totally inaccurate. Guy developed David Stewart (4th rounder out of MIssissippi St) into 2nd Team All Pro memeber in 2008, Michael Roos (2nd rounder out of Eastern Washington) into a solid NFL LT who earned a 6 year, 43mil extension in 2008, and developed Eugene Amano (7th rounder out of Souther Missouri St) into a starting OG and then OC.

He gets the best out of his talent.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Totally inaccurate. Guy developed David Stewart (4th rounder out of MIssissippi St) into 2nd Team All Pro memeber in 2008, Michael Roos (2nd rounder out of Eastern Washington) into a solid NFL LT who earned a 6 year, 43mil extension in 2008, and developed Eugene Amano (7th rounder out of Souther Missouri St) into a starting OG and then OC.

He gets the best out of his talent.

2011 was hardly a stellar year for the Titan O-line.

 

[kerouac9]

2011 was a fine year for the Tennessee OL. Don't put all of the failings of CJ2K on that offensive line: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol2011

3rd in power, 2nd in adjusted sack rate. The problem was the stuff percentage (29) and the 2nd level yardage (31).

 

[Crazy Canuck]

2011 was a fine year for the Tennessee OL. Don't put all of the failings of CJ2K on that offensive line: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol2011

3rd in power, 2nd in adjusted sack rate. The problem was the stuff percentage (29) and the 2nd level yardage (31).

In other words, they couldn't get a yard when they needed it and couldn't help CJ2K get to the second level.

 

[Chopper0080]

2011 was hardly a stellar year for the Titan O-line.

He was the head coach in 2011, not the line coach. Their offensive line was great from 2007-2010. He is a legit line coach.

 

[kerouac9]

Power ranking is the success rate that the OL has on 3rd and 4th and short, as well as short-yardage runs on the goal line. They were among the best in the league in providing that yard when it was needed.

Chris Johnson at his failingest still managed 4.0 YPC and 1000+ yards in 2011.

 

[Mulli]

Power ranking is the success rate that the OL has on 3rd and 4th and short, as well as short-yardage runs on the goal line. They were among the best in the league in providing that yard when it was needed.

Chris Johnson at his failingest still managed 4.0 YPC and 1000+ yards in 2011.

Chris Wells in 2011: 4.3 YPC and 1047 yards. So what is wrong with Grimm again?

 

[kerouac9]

Chris Wells in 2011: 4.3 YPC and 1047 yards. So what is wrong with Grimm again?

Yup. The problem this year with the OL is not an across-the-board talent problem. It's that Levi Brown is the best player on the OL, and he's not a great player. When the OL lost its best player, it replaced him with their worst player--maybe one of the worst starters in the entire NFL.

I don't mind firing Russ Grimm as a way to remind Whis that he's responsible for the results on the football field, and the he needs a greater variety of voices. But I don't necessarily think that our guys have had poor technique or whatever.

Someone on the Cards Broadcast Team mentioned that Grimm still has full control over the Cards running offense. I think that the run blocking scheme doesn't help out either of our runners.

 

[az jam]

Tyler Wilson will be playing on one of Saturdays TV games. Arkansas at South Carolina 10 AM on (Phoenix) Channel 5 - CBS. Will be a good test for him.

 

[Duckjake]

Power ranking is the success rate that the OL has on 3rd and 4th and short, as well as short-yardage runs on the goal line. They were among the best in the league in providing that yard when it was needed.

Chris Johnson at his failingest still managed 4.0 YPC and 1000+ yards in 2011.

What was the Cards power ranking in 2011? 32nd?

As for the Titans line in 2011 their sack % was 3.9 allowing less than half as many sacks as the Cardinals. HALF! Almost 2 per game fewer! Grimm sucks.

 

[kerouac9]

What was the Cards power ranking in 2011? 32nd?

As for the Titans line in 2011 their sack % was 3.9 allowing less than half as many sacks as the Cardinals. HALF! Almost 2 per game fewer! Grimm sucks.

16th in power ranking. The Cards have/had the same problem as the Titans: second-level performance and performance in the open field. Part of that is a Beanie Wells problem: he just isn't that dynamic on the second level. I'm a bigger fan of Beanie than others because I don't mind if he doesn't get 40 yard runs as long as he's continually putting the offense ahead of the sticks.

This year the Cards are 27th or worse in all four run categories, and 31st in adjusted sack rate. Much of that is on the OL, but a lot of it is shared by our undynamic runners.

 

[Duckjake]

16th in power ranking. The Cards have/had the same problem as the Titans: second-level performance and performance in the open field. Part of that is a Beanie Wells problem: he just isn't that dynamic on the second level. I'm a bigger fan of Beanie than others because I don't mind if he doesn't get 40 yard runs as long as he's continually putting the offense ahead of the sticks.

This year the Cards are 27th or worse in all four run categories, and 31st in adjusted sack rate. Much of that is on the OL, but a lot of it is shared by our undynamic runners.

That's true but I'm more concerned with the Cards continued failure to pick up 1 or 2 yards running. Been a problem for a long time.

 

[Chopper0080]

That's true but I'm more concerned with the Cards continued failure to pick up 1 or 2 yards running. Been a problem for a long time.

That is due to a personnel issue up front. Being successful in short yardage situations is determined by winning POA battles, not allowing penetration and getting bodies on LBs so they can't fill. We struggle in all of these areas. It is also why you see our RBs getting tripped up on outisde plays. Our linemen struggle to get to the second level which allows LBs to flow and shoot gaps to make plays in the backfield.

 

[Mulli]

That's true but I'm more concerned with the Cards continued failure to pick up 1 or 2 yards running. Been a problem for a long time.

That is due to a personnel issue up front. Being successful in short yardage situations is determined by winning POA battles, not allowing penetration and getting bodies on LBs so they can't fill. We struggle in all of these areas. It is also why you see our RBs getting tripped up on outisde plays. Our linemen struggle to get to the second level which allows LBs to flow and shoot gaps to make plays in the backfield.

Do the OLineman still line up too far apart? I remember reading about splits or something...

 

[Chopper0080]

Do the OLineman still line up too far apart? I remember reading about splits or something...

It could be but most splits are pretty standard. Where we struggle is the inability to combo block at POA and scrape to the LB. Our backside blocking allows DL to get into the gaps which allows them to disrupt the feet of the RB. Also, our RBs tend to miss the cutback lane which I have seen open a couple times this year,

Like most issues with our offensive line, it isn't just one problem, it is many different issues.

 

[PJ1]

Wow, I remember before Munchak got the head coaching job the Titans had on eof the best offensive lines in football so I'm not sure if you are viewing the team as it is now, or when Munchak was actually the offensive line coach.

I am referring to now. They aren't good. Against a common opponent this year(Patriots) who the Titans had at home our line was much better. They were stomped. Johnson started out slow and is starting to get some yards but many are meaningless.

They aren't Cardinal bad but nothing to model after. I do like Munchak but I seriously doubt he is back next year. He would be a better coach than Grimm but so would Tiny Tim.

 

[WildBB]

But we run into problems because we have so many holes on our offensive line. I would love to add a young LT like Luke Joeckel in the draft, but how does that improve our offensive line as a unit? It adds another young player outside to a group of Levi Brown, Bobby Massie, and Nate Potter while we still trot out the terrible interior group of Colledge, Snyder and Sendlein.

We need to add a top interior player who can win one on one matchups, put him next to whomever wins the LT battle next year between Levi Brown and Nate Potter. This would give us a solid combo on one side, allow Colledge/Snyder/Kelemete to batte for the RG spot and provide help with a TE to the RT. Yes, we would still have holes, but they now become managable vs the multiple of issues we have now which we can't even game plan to overcome.

And IF we follow this logic and Levi goes down again? If we have Lewan or Mathews at least we have options and real hope - unlike this year where we're pressed to start 4th and 7th rounders. It's just a matter of time when they're exposed again and again.

I agree about getting a real good LG however as well. I'd just have a problem using a #1 on a QB. We need to give the three on the roster a better chance of succeeding. They have shown some abilities to make things happen with time. There could also be opportunities to pick up other players, either at OT or QB, although at those positions it's really tough.

 

[WildBB]

It could be but most splits are pretty standard. Where we struggle is the inability to combo block at POA and scrape to the LB. Our backside blocking allows DL to get into the gaps which allows them to disrupt the feet of the RB. Also, our RBs tend to miss the cutback lane which I have seen open a couple times this year,

Like most issues with our offensive line, it isn't just one problem, it is many different issues.

For sure.

 

[Chopper0080]

And IF we follow this logic and Levi goes down again? If we have Lewan or Mathews at least we have options and real hope - unlike this year where we're pressed to start 4th and 7th rounders. It's just a matter of time when they're exposed again and again.

I agree about getting a real good LG however as well. I'd just have a problem using a #1 on a QB. We need to give the three on the roster a better chance of succeeding. They have shown some abilities to make things happen with time. There could also be opportunities to pick up other players, either at OT or QB, although at those positions it's really tough.

Yes, I would love to have a first round LT waiting in the wings behind Levi, Potter and Massie, but that just isn't feasible. We have some major needs on this team, and while better play at LT might be one of them, there are others that are more important. If we were to pick an offensive linemen in the first round, OG Chance Warmack would be my first choice. An OG does more to improve our offensive line than another young OT. That being said, a quality QB probably helps the unit the most.

 

[Duckjake]

Who needs a QB? Jake Locker was 9-22 today and Titans beat Miami 37-3.

 

[football karma]

Yup. The problem this year with the OL is not an across-the-board talent problem. It's that Levi Brown is the best player on the OL, and he's not a great player. When the OL lost its best player, it replaced him with their worst player--maybe one of the worst starters in the entire NFL.

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This , but more so-

Setting Batiste aside-- the Cards have an online comprised of "good enough" guys. Guys who can fill a position good enough, provided that the rest of the guys on the line are better. They individually just aren't good enough to cover any deficiencies of the guys around them.

 

[kerouac9]

This , but more so-

Setting Batiste aside-- the Cards have an online comprised of "good enough" guys. Guys who can fill a position good enough, provided that the rest of the guys on the line are better. They individually just aren't good enough to cover any deficiencies of the guys around them.

Yeah... we have four, maybe five, weak links on our OL. I'm comfortable with Levi and Sendlein as NFL-quality starters. I'm encouraged by Massie's development and while I'm not sure that he can be a cornerstone, I think that he can be a third legitimate starter by the end of the year.

The problem is that both Colledge's and Snyder's former teams were happy to let those guys go just when they should be entering the prime of their careers. Maybe a change in system can help them some, but you can't have two really bad players. Not in a system where the LG is expected to be a Pro Bowl talent.

If Tyler Wilson checks out and we're drafting between 12 and 18, I have no problem picking up the quarterback. If we're drafting in the Top 10, then we have to go BPA, because we'd clearly not be talented enough to weight much for need, whether it's a defensive player or an offensive player.

If this team wins only 5 games in the year, we can't pick and choose who's going to be a good "fit."

It's been a long, long time since we had a clearly above-average player at any position on our OL. Maybe since Big left town. We need an interior lineman and a quarterback.